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I'm not really sure what do you mean by "random face"... If you're asking whether Vermouth created the mask basing on her own imagination or not, then no. The silver-haired guy did exist (and of course he's not Gin), and she disguised as him after killing the real one. She faked it as a suicide. She also cleaned her fingerprints and blood trails so the police could never examine them, and thus find out that they're different from that of the true serial killer, whose corpse was found nearby. For more information, you can watch/read the end of Episode 288 (Anime) or File 5/Chapter 355 (Manga).

843 Chinese: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2059923549 EDIT: Link fixed ! Sorry

843 spoilers (from Conan#1): http://imgbox.com/acvAO0fu http://imgbox.com/acdWNnyL http://imgbox.com/abcSacgD

It's Episode 270: The Forgotten Memento from the Crime Conan said it to Haibara. It's around 09:00. I hope that helps By the way we have a thread for questions, so next time you should post in there instead: http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/forum/topic/1219-dc-question-and-answer-thread/

Movie -10000 (pun intended): The making of Pandora Gem Movie 2012 (pun intended): Extreme climate change! The moment the Earth fades away! (This "movie" is about the humanity in Conan universe facing the end of the world because the seasons keep changing dramatically within a year )

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I've always been curious about this: Was there any murder case where Ran didn't scream when she saw the corpse ?

I see "good reason" with the law's point of view, not morality (the victims deserve to die or not) nor literature (the motive makes sense or not; is it a good writing or not...). Which means, nothing should be considered as a reasonable motive to commit illegal acts, especially to murder somebody. While I do agree that in most of the cases, the victims are portrayed with not much better (if not worse) personality and sense of morality than the culprits, and they have done unforgivable things that make us think they don't deserve to live anymore. But morality is not everything in life. For whatever motives (be it to revenge or for money... etc.), murdering is wrong (both legally and morally) and nobody has the right to take away the life from another person, no matter how heartless and impudent that person can be. And at the same time, we should also consider the fact that the degree of which varies from case to case. Some victims' personality can be bad to the point that we want them do die immediately and think that it's "alright" for the culprits to kill them because there's no other way; while many murders, although still remain the same pattern (victims are worse than culprits), are prompted by various conflicts and disagreements that we can face everyday in real life, but killing is not the only option to solve the problem, and generosity should be considered as well. I personally think that the former is much rarer than the latter, but again, it's only my opinion. That's why I say there's no such thing as a "good motive", even for vengeance. However, with that said, I personally do have a sympathetic feeling for some culprits (mostly from the "former kind"), because if they didn't get rid of those victims, they (or their beloved ones) might suffer from further mental/physical torments, and it looks like murder is the only way out. But since murder is illegal for whatever reason, they'll still have to take the punishment for their crime. I think that deep inside, we all know that this is the unfairness and cruelty of life, but there's nothing we can do about it, because without law, the society will turn into chaos. That's the sad part. However, I still keep my opinion that there's nothing as a "good motive", if we see it with the law's perspective. The 5 motives that I listed in my other post are worst (IMO) because even if you see them from other perspectives other than law (morality, literature...), those are still very far from being reasonable. And of course I’m only talking about murder here, killing by accident or for genuine self-dense are different types of homicide, which rarely happen in DC. There exist motives other than revenge actually, though not as many, but they still exist. Most robbers in Conan kill people for money, you may also find properties-related motives in some cases that involve inheritance/business/treasure hunting as well (a fine example would be the Blue castle case, where the culprit killed a series of victims just for the family’s treasure, even though many of them are actually silenced, but the final goal is still money). I'm not sure about power but jealousy is the main motive for the roller coaster case (V1), she killed the victim because he dumped her to be with another woman. In the locked bathroom case (V20), the culprit killed her sister for stealing the one she loves. While there are still some levels of revenge, jealousy is the root motive that prompts these vengeance. Those cases are only examples by the way, there may be much more. Murder cases in Conan also have many other kinds of motives as well, such as to silence a witness (this is quite common), or because the victim blackmailed them. The BO usually kill people who they think may become a threat to them. Some people don't even have any specific reason to kill someone, they just follow the orders or are blackmailed to do so.

^ LOL Aren't we the ones who're supposed to say that ?

Of course there is no such thing as a "good reason" to commit crime, but we all know that there have been some (if not many) cases in Detective Conan that are "famous" for the culprits' motives being too unreasonable and nonsense, even for a fictional series. So which motive(s) in DC that you think are WORST ? This is my Top 5: 1. Find the Buttock's Mark (Canon) Motive: What the heck is THAT ? The first time I read this case I didn't even believe that it was the motive, thinking that there must have been something wrong with the translations. But no, there wasn't :| This one is the top on my list. And yes, this case was written by Gosho and not some random AO. 2. The Amusement Park Bungee Jumping Case (AO) Motive: WOW ! Just wow ! 3. The New York Case (Canon) Motive: What's with Gosho and the anime staff making characters kill people because of some freaking fictional characters ??? And speaking of which, here we have another one. 4. Holmes Freak Murder Case (Canon) I don't really remember the detailed motive since I read it a very long time ago. But I recall it having something to do with... 5. Disappearing Weapon Case (AO) Motive: Yup, this one is probably a "classic". The only reason it's only the 5th on my list is because that "motive" was only the direct cause that prompted her into killing the victim. Their relationship had became tense because of other reasons as well. This is also not as unreasonable and full of madness as the ones above IMO.

Thanks for the translation ! EDIT: 842 Chinese: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2032495895

842 SPOILER PICS !!! http://www.dctp.ws/L...Spoilers_01.png http://www.dctp.ws/L..._Spoilers_2.png (The source is too obvious so I won't repeat it anymore )

840 English is out now everyone ! (Talk about something nobody cares about XDD)

Actually, Gin's English name is "Melkior" and Vodka's is "Kaspar". You can browse our own Wiki for more information: http://www.detective...ld.com/wiki/Gin http://www.detective....com/wiki/Vodka However, these names are only come up with in the English/American translation of the manga ("Case Closed"). They don't exist at all in any other version, especially in the original Japanese, where Gin stays as "Gin" and Vodka stays as "Vodka" from when Conan first learned their code-names in Volume 4 until now (while nothing about them is revealed in Volume 1). We never actually know what Gin's and Vodka's real names are, and it's not like Aoyama Gosho would reveal that to us either. The translators of the English manga also changed their names back to "Gin" and "Vodka" in later volumes to match with the original. So as for the conclusion, the names "Melkior" (Gin) and "Kaspar" (Vodka) never actually existed in the first place and not their real names, so you shouldn't be bothered by those. I hope that helps

I've never seen Kaitou Kid fights before, even in Magic Kaito, so I'll go with no.

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LOOOOOL !!! Haibara, what happened to you ? XDDD

He said that in Chapter 1/Episode 1 after poisoning Shinichi with APTX4869. I've added citation to that now by the way.

In the recent art style of the anime, they make blood looks like a mixture of mud and fuel oil

Maybe this thread can help you, it's from the opinion of many people: http://www.detective...s-made-you-cry/ (BUT BEWARE, YOU MAY BE SPOILED WHEN READING THAT TOPIC) In my personal opinion, DC is not something that can make you feel sad easily. The Karaoke Box Murder Case (although the motive on the other hand is....), Cactus's Flower Murder Case (AO), Sweetheart is an Illusion of Spring (AO) were probably top of the saddest cases that I've known of. If you want something that involves the romantic relationship of the main characters, then The Desperate Revival or The Truth Behind Valentine's may be some good choices. But again, this whole thing is only my own person opinion.

Anyone knows about Yukiko's motorbike that she rode in Volume 14 ?

So far only Vermouth knows about Conan's identity.