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Then it would be quite the twist if Rum is so , I think it would demonstrate how much Rum is a complex character than we think.. I just said it might be, we know almost little as of yet. The possibilities are many, but I think there is more to him than just a butler. If not then we have been trolled with the cool look Gosho has given him.

I've been thinking about this new character Muga Iori aka Wada Shinichi, the fact that Rum's three descriptions fits him; he is effeminate when he lets his long hair loose, he is a butler and a man normally he'd be a strong man, and his knowledge of British history might make him seem older if he is heard only through voice. It is far fetched theory specially that he is made as a movie promotion character, but what if this idea as wrong as it might seem it still is a theory; that perhaps he is using Momoji to make her become more interested in Heiji the son of the Superintended and the rival-friend of Kudo whom Rum is suspicious of and following this lead of Heiji to find more about them, hence he approved of Heiji. I'm not saying Muga is Rum, specially since he is a character to be in a non-canon movie but it is a possibility though. Like you guys mentioned he is too much of a cool character than to be a supporting movie character, and his shared characteristics with other characters like Shuuichi, Tsutomo. Kohji and others.. is too much for Gosho to make a red herring or to troll with us fans..

Then, it is a lead on finding suspects for Anokata. To shorten the list if you will, if Gosho had took inspirations from Blofeld and like mentioned in the interview he is similar to the image of a villain stroking a cat while sitting in a chair. Furthermore, Itakura's mention in his diary about hearing a cat in one of his conversations with Vermouth that leads her to cut the line. Then there is a strong possibility that Anokata is a cat lover, which might help us find suspects with links to both cats and crows if viable.

It's not about making Blofeld Anokata, its more as to find clues within 007 that might make a connection in BO. If Gosho has took inspiration heavily from this series and Moriarty's network, then it is likely that a new hint might show on. Also the main reason as to why I mentioned it, is the use of the cat in both series as ties to the main antagonist. Which could turn to be a hint in BO..

Hey guys, long time no see !!.. Anyways I think I have found a new edge on Anokata, it may be nothing much but what I found is too much of a coincidence. First i'd like to mention the the interview at which Gosho spoke of the purpose of the B: " I: So then, the black orginization is full of mysteries. But, what sort of orginization are they, and what is their goal? World Conquest? A: Well, the world....or rather, they want control of lot's of money. They're moving stealthily in the shadows...sort of like (Al) Capone did right? Or, sort of like the image of the bad guys in 007 or something...sitting there stroking a cat. It's probably best not to say too much." (Monthly Conan Newspaper 2014 (partial raw) March (part 1) 2014 and April (part 2) 2014 edition of the Monthly Conan Newspaper Translated by: meitanteikonan blogspot page) Copyrights belongs to their rightful owners. See??!!.. Gosho does speak of Al Capone's similarities and mafia like organization, what's more Gosho speaks of the image of the 'bad guys' in 007 stroking a cat.. The 'bad guys' in question is the 007's villain Ernst Stavro Blofeld, Who's nickname is Number One, and Rum is mentioned as Number Two making Anokata as Number One. Furthermore in the diaries of Itakura Suguru's there is a mention of him hearing a sound of a cat while speaking to Vermouth, which somehow interrupts her making it seem as if someone important such as Anokata while holding a cat is approaching her making her cut the line. The use of cat is mentioned just like in the interview, Plus Blofeld is described as the great planner with formidable intelligence but without conscience, a perfect fitting description for Anokata. Also in his first disguise he adopts a long silver hair like that of Gin, and wears green eyed lenses to hide his distinctive real eyes something that Rum would do. In "You Only Live Twice" story published in 1964, Blofeld's hiding place is Japan. Not to mention his description of being a huge strongly built man is reminiscent of Tequila's description, And Blofeld's Number 2 is Emilio Largo who covers one eye with a black eye patch. Something that also might have relations to Rum, Specter the organization in 007 is similar to BO in many ways from it's international ties to it's hierarchy to the mystery about their number 1. There are lots of other things that I wanted to write but I forgot as of the moment, anyways regarding this idea.. anyone have a comment??

We don't know if he is even dead, the absence of his body, the fact that he figured at the moment that these are horrible people and the fact that he guided his family to travel to Japan. And we know so far that BO is mostly Japanese hints that he would've known if he was involved with them, so most likely he didn't know the truth regarding BO but rather he knew of the BO through investigations. Which leads to their revelation of his investigations leading to their hunting of the father, he disappeared and guided the family to forget about him in order to save them. This is the most possible scenario and simple at heart, but as to why he sent the family to Japan is mostly due to him being a Japanese and thought of it as a safe bet. However it leaves the question as to whether he knew about the BO as a corporate with dark side, or like the others he simply knows of a crime organization. If the former is the right one, he would know their origins. If the latter is the case this he would have to place a safe bet.

No one else wonders why father Akai would send his family to Japan, if he is involved somehow with BO he would know that they operate also in Japan. So why would he send them there, or is the BO originally foreign, perhaps he thought they wouldn't look for his family in their field of operation..

Not another 100, that's for sure..

Going by your calculations, I think DC would end around vol. 100 since Gosho once mentioned that the whole story is set to be in a year..

Oh, well in Anokata's case, I believe Gosho had thrown us few hints to draw a frame for his ID. Still far from truth but we do know about Anokata more than we do know about Rum..

Thanks for the info, so basically Gosho has turned Char to more heroic and Amuro into less heroic in a sense..

Well, thanks for going through the Gundam series. If you truly didn't find anything else, then I guess that's the end of it.. As for the rivalry, is it going to be the same? or as you have watched it, do you think it is going to end differently?. To tell the truth I'm not excited or thinking about watching Gundam , so don't mind the questions..

You cannot decide for sure as of yet, but I think it would take at least another couple of years till we get the necessary info..

I really don't think Gosho will go that far in doing homages to Gundam, but I thought that perhaps there might be more connections that are inspired by the Gundam series that we may have missed. Regarding Seyla, I first thought of the pronounce of the names as similar, Sera and Seyra in Japanese pronunciation.

Has anyone noticed that the name Asaka, may have some connection with Asaka-no-Miya ( A Japanese Imperial Family) and if rearranged it could be Asaka Miyano. Although I'm sure Gosho-sama would try to restrain himself to refer to any imperial and/or royal families (and it does sound a little bit far fetched), I thought it is something to look into.

We all know that Akai Shuuichi is based on Char Aznable from the Gundam series, while Bourbon is based upon Amuro Ray from the same series. I did a little research and found out that there are many similarities besides the ones known, for example in DC Shuu and Rei starts their rivalry over the death of Scotch. In the Gundam series Amuro Ray accidentally kills Lalah Sune while she was trying to rescue Char, you can see this similar in manner but different in details in both series. So I ask of you all, to help researching and reading more into the Gundam series since I'm not a big fan of it, perhaps you might find more similarities that would help us drive forward in our analysis.

Based on your claim, I'd say Father Akai is someone who resembles them lol .. They do have similar eyes though XD ..

I'd say he if a former CIA senior agent, that is because when Shuuichi was talking to Conan during the Clinched Scissors case, he said regarding his father's job and I quote:" Not FBI but rather.." and the conv ends. It could be continued by saying he was an agent but not of FBI, since the two organizations that are involved in Amanda's case are FBI and CIA that means that he is most likely a CIA agent.

So, for the identity of the mysterious kid, there are 3 options. 1) being Shukichi, though I do not support it for the mere fact that Shukichi is supposed to be 28-29 years old as his classmates claimed. 10 years ago would make him 18-19 even if you take a few years off, the kid still looks 15 at most. Also the hair style and the chin structure are different, yet could be a total dismiss. 2) being a different character that we know of, Conan did say that he have seen the two characters somewhere. If we assume the woman whom we think it is, the child is someone we also know but have dismissed. It could be Akai father deaged, though unlikely due to the fact of his unknown current whereabouts and what happened to him in the 7 years gap between Haneda Kouji and the time of the memory. I also thought it would be Rei Furuya as a previous mention that there is more to his skin and hair color, but it is impossible to be him because we know from his memory that since early childhood when he remember Elena Miyano that he did have at the time a dyed hair and dark skin. 3) Could be a new character to be introduced, a new brother perhaps??, unlikely because Conan says he have seen him somewhere. My intake is that the child is someone who we know of but his appearance changed since childhood.

Regarding Gin and Anokata, I believe Anokata would tell Gin to consider deaging. Without revealing his own appearance to Gin, therefore through communication alone Anokata does not have to reveal himself to Gin. Gin also said at the beginning of the manga that the purpose of the drug is to kill without evidence, therefore it is assumed that he does not know about the real purpose of the drug. Regarding Vermouth, I believe Anokata have some suspicions, but nonetheless for some reason he does not act at the moment. Savagery is a trait that Anokata considers highly, but it is savagery based on loyalty, as if savagery is a trait followed by loyalty that helped promoting Kir. Fair enough, but I'm just drawing some theories regarding the number 7. There is no evidence, but it is logical. Yet again it is a theory among many, I'm sure half of it if not all is wrong. But only time will tell..

I've done a little math recently, and some facts had made an interesting possible history that makes sense for the B.O. .. We all know of the claim of Ai's that the BO is older than half a century, possibly 50+ years for the existence of the B.O. . We also know based from the appearance of Gin that he is of 30- early 40's years old, if he is at the maximum age of 45 which is doubtful. There is a gap of a minimum 5 years before he was even born to the existence of the B.O. an assumption based on the fact that Gin does not know of the deaging neither he is the type to disguise himself as younger. Pulling the fact that B.O. existing before Gin, it is most likely contains of more members than we know of. We know Rum is 2nd in command, and Vermouth is Anokata's favorite. It is sensible that Anokata have supervising agents under him, who are most likely the founding members. It would make sense if they are 7 original founding members after which the tune for Anokata the Nanatsu no kou is made, however the 7 original members is a weak theory. But to attach it to another theory of mine, it would make things more possible and sensible. The other theory I'm talking about is one of the purposes of the B.O. is to control lots of money through mafia like techniques, for example the B.O. specifically Anokata as to empower himself has had groomed potential people under him so they can be the leaders of their subjects, for instance Vermouth a leading actress, Gin a leading mercenary. However it is safe to assume that Anokata in appearance is an old Japanese man with a wealthy company as a front, due to the fact that if he was deaged or stayed young in any way he wuld be aware of the deaging effects and would have no reason not to tell Gin his loyal agent to look for a child Sherry. Anokata is careful to the extreme, but he trusts Gin more than the others and would have told him to look for young Sherry without the knowledge of others. Speaking of loyalty, another issue is the basis on which Anokata assigns his agents. Other than skills and exceptional physiques, it is quite obvious that Anokata regards loyalty more than anything behind only the secrecy, as seen when he orders the murder of Pisco an old member of the B.O. . For Rum to be 2nd in command it would mean he is more loyal than Gin and probably more skillful. Regarding Pisco, he did say to Gin that if Gin kills him who is an old member would jeopardize Gin's own status in the B.O. . Hence Pisco is more likely an older member than Gin, thus that would draw the question whether there are more members who are more loyal and older than Gin and perhaps more important. If we assume the original 7 members is a correct theory, one of which is Rum, the 2nd is Vermouth being Anokata's favorite out of the 7. There are still 5 members that we know nothing about, However, if we think about the reason why Anokata wanted to assassinate that politician for he was a possible future prime minister and was hard on crime, and on the words of Ai regarding the arrest of the B.O.'s members that 'unbelievable characters would be caught' it is safe to assume that there is someone in the politics who is an associate of Anokata. However, I don't think that bribery would be the connection but rather a matter of loyalty, hence one of the original 7 is most likely a politician, perhaps the current prime minister whom Anokata is trying to keep in that position. Rum, Vermouth and Politician Agent (PA), there are still 4 members. We know for a fact that Anokata is readily accepting and wants the death of Sherry who was trained and groomed to be a leading scientist inside the B.O., assuming Anokata is not a scientist himself but a corporate leader, it means someone is supervising the science/programming wing of the B.O. under the boss directly. As Anokata who is ready to kill Sherry, probably have people who can replace her. Someone who knows what happens in the science department and is a scientist who tells Anokata of everything happening and therefore Anokata knows who is doing what, and also the supervisor makes sure everyone is doing their job. It could be though, that this supervisor is Daikouko/Rentarou who went with Sherry to the Mermaid Island to see if there is any scientific component that could help on the progress of the drug. 3 members are left, following this theory. The 5th member, is most likely someone who provides money for Anokata's researches. As no matter how rich Anokata is, he alone with several companies under him would be insufficient to provide for research and international relations and deals alone. Someone who did help Anokata before Anokata could become so rich, someone with a mansion of Gold. Which kind of puts Karasuma Renya in the right place (lol), if we presume it is so for a second, then rather than a leader he was one of the original members under Anokata, and his death triggered the visit of the two men (who are probably B.O.) to visit his place and reclaim his money to continue their research. He was rich enough to provide for the B.O. and his age puts him at a perfect age for a starting experienced member, his name though is either a pun or an alias. the last two members, could be both dead or one is alive or the both are still alive. If they are not dead, then one of them could be Anokata himself as the 7th member. if not then the two are different members, one of which would have to had international influence for the B.O. to expand so fast and so wide. Maybe an american, who acts as a supervising leader in the U.S. He/she is probably a business person with many contacts. The last member, if not Anokata, would be the eyes for Anokata. Someone who can tell Anokata of everything that is happening inside the B.O., he tells him of Gin's loyalty/ Vermouth's wild actions/ frictions between the members, which would explain how Anokata is keeping everyone so loyal. He could be though the person who sat next to Akai in the to be meeting with Gin, but could be a different person. Rum, who made a mistake 17 years ago. Could be a 2nd Rum after the death of the 1st, could be the same person but who's unquestionable loyalty made Anokata overlook the mistake and keep him alive. All we know, for Rum to investigate the B.O. for spies and for making a mistake 17 years ago would make him an old person as one of his descriptions is. And is like mentioned have unquestionable loyalty, and for such a person to exist he must know Anokata personally and might have been with Anokata ever since the creation of BO making him very old. Though unlikely, but Kuruda could be one of those original members rather than being Rum. Or a turned member, who was originally a B.O. but after a mistake was to be eliminated, but survived and now seeks revenge. He is still too mysterious, but he is no supporter of B.O, as he would have known and reported Sherry like Pisco had almost done. Gosho-sama's 2016 interview made a very vague answer about mixed ethnicity, but Gin and Vermouth's appearance are not entirely Japanese. Vermouth for all we know is American, Gin might be of mixed Japanese with possibly German blood, due to his blonde appearance and his favorite Porsche is a reminiscent of Germany. I doubt Pisco was as skilled as Chianto and Korn, but nevertheless was more high ranking due to his loyalty and more time spent in the B.O than them. Kir's assumed loyalty made her instantly earn her code name. Gin told Pisco that he was famous and powerful thanks to the B.O. which supports the claim that the B.O. grooms future leaders. Vodka could be an original member who is the 'eyes of Anokata' who reports everything to him, lol which would explain why Gin wanted to shoot him as he was probably annoying as to report every little detail but was dim witted sometimes. Also explains why he always wears black sunglasses, the hidden eyes of Anokata lol, but I guess it was a mere clothing appearance Gosho-sama thought was cool. Anokata, is probably like mentioned, an old Japanese company owner, with a corporate that acts as a front for his other life as a leader of a powerful organization. Therefore he is an old Japanese person who wears a business suit, cautious to the extreme, have a love for the detective fiction, and is ruthless as he orders the death of any agent who jeopardize his secret operations no matter who is the agent. Being such ruthless would indicate that Anokata himself had to have at least once committed a crime by his own hands probably a murder to become this ruthless and to lead a secret life to hide an old murder??!! . A running theory is that Vermouth is Anokata's daughter being the romantic person near Gin would jeopardize her relationship with Anokata had she's been a wife or a lover to him. To allow intimate relations between his agents; Vermouth/Gin/Sherry/Akemi/Rye etc. rather than formal relationship, might indicate Anokata's desire for inbreeding between his agents to result in the agents of the future, that is if he does even know about the relationships between his agents. And Anokata's name is probably famous as we know him, Haibara would be shocked to know it is him, meaning she knows his real name, as per a previous interview made with Gosho-sama who said that if you know the B.O.'s real name you will know Anokata, and is someone whom we would remember instantly. His wealth also makes him famous among his peers in his alter ego. Hope it makes sense XD ..

Yeah, but I was implying that maybe by the end of this case something related to the main story might happen regarding it..

Yeah and would be imprisoned, nonetheless he would be punished less than an adult..