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Because in the last test Conan was able to solve the case with only two hints, something which remained unsolved for ten years. That's something. Oh, come on. Just because Rumi witnessed the conversation and bought cups and plates thereafter doesn't imply that Rumi's action was caused due to the stuff. So can you definitely prove that it's not a post-hoc fallacy but a valid assumption? I'm not desperate to push any theory on Rumi's character. I'm more open to wait for more plot development. But your assertion isn't immune to post-hoc fallacy but rather it's a prey of it. I fell prey to it so did you during the last chapter. So is it a problem for you to make sure that your theory should be immune to post-hoc fallacy? I'll explain why, if your assertion is true then Rumi is a devious and cunning person who can let people get murdered to further her agenda. But the same Rumi gets triggered due to the mention of prosthetic, glares towards a suspicious man only to strengthen his suspicion. Which invalidates your claim, there's complete contradiction inherent in it. But if I say Rumi had an agenda to summon Conan, it was predetermined because Rumi knew on that day they would be doing the painting. When she heard the quarrel she smiled due to the sheer stupidity of the couple and it was a smile of pity. Now the man kills woman and Rumi's perfect plan to get Conan's time got ruined. So you're just believing what you want to believe that Rumi wanted Conan to solve a murder so she let it happen. I believe that she wanted to have a one to one conversation with Conan and the murder ruined it. I noticed a certain level of immaturity in Rumi when she's handling certain issues, which shouldn't be the case if she's as smart as he seems to be. So I find her reaction to Kuroda and prosthetic a bit teenagerish, that's why I thought thet there might be some similarity, nothing else.
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Again that's a speculation to begin with as you mentioned before. Why it's safe to assume that Conan was invited by Rumi so that he can solve the murder? I think Rumi never anticipated that the murder would happen in the first place that's why she created a scenario to invite Conan so that she can go on with her business. Because Conan will be very much inclined to solve a murder and the police will throng the place so cutting the time for Rumi to act on her original plan, so forcing Conan to solve a murder makes no tangible gains for Rumi's plan. It's(The assertion you made) a classic example of posthoc fallacy(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc), like the Rooster crows that's why the sun rises. Even if you argue that Rumi was testing him, I would counter you by highlighting Rumi's introductory case. That was the test and Conan passed it with flying colours.
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All I'm saying is a possibility. In my native place that sort of introduction is just plain stupid and the whole class would be laughing their asses off, not judging your native place though but that's how it is in my native place. Teachers don't introduce themselves by plainly stating their age. Their age is irrelevant only their names matter. Even if I consider that's normal in Japan still using someone else's age as a benchmark sounds off to me. Maybe she's on a leave. If she knows reverse psychology that's a pretty safe bet to wager with. As for Banno's girlfriend's death we're again assuming something. For us, "Manga readers" the phrase that it's your last meal means that I'll murder you but let's assume in real life you witness a warring couple and one of them says" it's your last dinner" under his/her breath. What would you assume? Possible murder or possible separation? So making Rumi indifferent to a murder would be judging Rumi from a biased perspective. I'm willing to give Rumi the benefit of doubt, because if I were there in her place I would also have ignored it.
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I was thinking about the implications of Mary's caution. Is it probable for Sera to disguise as someone else and then approach Conan for his help during Koji case? Another point too, I'm also seeing a certain dichotomy in Rumi's behaviour she has great detective skills but won't hide her hatred to a suspicious one eyed person. Her glaring forced Kuroda to say that whether she's ok with the case being investigated by the police or not? Also Rumi mentioning that she's 10 years older than Kobayshi-sensei is kinda odd, firstly mentioning your age to your students is just plain stupid, secondly how did she know Kobayashi's age ?we also know that that the robbery case happened 10 years ago and Conan met Sera also 10 years ago. So can Sera be Rumi? What's your thought on this?
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In file 953, around the ending panels Mary cautions Sera about Conan by claiming that the later has changed over the period of 10 years. It's like encountering a demon in the darkness. Probably the reason of her thought is Conan's manipulation of Kogoro for his own needs. So does Mary think that Conan in future might use Sera as a mean to achieve his ultimate goals? How is it going to affect Conan and Sera's relation? Also Mary and Gin used exactly same proverb in that chapter, is there something common between Gin and Mary?
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Even then, he couldn't have went on with plan of inviting Kogoro if Hotta wasn't interested in the first place. So I think as somehow Kogoro was linked to the case he has to be on Rum's radar.That's point which prompts me to consider Wakita as Rum.
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There's a definite invitation coming to Kogoro from Hotta's manager. Hotta's manager doesn't do anything without his concurrence. BO won't just chill out with the fact that Kogoro was involved, they will investigate it and eventually will find out that Kogoro was invited. Rum will closely follow Hotta's case and as Kogoro is the only tangible link after Hotta's murder, Kogoro would make a good starting point for Rum's investigation. Rum surely won't want sleeping Kogoro coming after him, so he would first try to assess the situation and if need arises then bump off Kogoro. Mod edit: Please don't link to English manga.
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For the first part it's a big leap to take. I won't think that Mary's shrinking was Wakita's doing, though it's popular theory based on association of two following cases. I would rather keep the shrinking of Mary out of Rum's identity discussion. To be honest Mary isn't a sitting duck, I think there's more to it, than random assasination attempts. When I re-evaluated Wakita's conversation with Kogoro, one thing stood out, unlike Bourbon Wakita wants to accompany Kogoro to his next murder case, not Kogoro's next case, not being an apprentice in his office. This strikes to me as he is only interested in accompanying him to murder scene. If he really wanted to investigate Kogoro it's better to get into his office. Also we're assuming that Gin is making a move and Rum is just chilling out. I think Rum should be more anxious and wary and due to Kogoro's involvement in the soul detective case, Kogoro will come under Rum's radar as Kogoro has the fame of being a genius detective. The criticism of "Pirate-Spirit" has a double meaning, on the cover it seems that it's a weak player so betting on it is irrational. But Pirate spirit despite all odds did win the race and Kogoro despite all odds bet on it and came out victorious.(As far as Wakita was concerned). So maybe we can also look it as a compliment to Kogoro who can identify diamonds lying in the ruff. There was also second in command of Boss appearing in Kamen-Yaiba reference, but let's forget it I don't like those stuff. They are often distractions than not. Also let's not forget about the news which Wakita was reading, it's a news report of 7th/8th page. Now Wakasa Rumi's heroics is a front page news due to the involvement of the golfer, it can't be a kid's case report as that's also a front page news. So what was it? Hotta Gaito case maybe?
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You misquoted me, I never implied that Rum is trying to use Kogoro to find the uploader, all I said that's it;s rational for Rum to investigate the only tangible link (Kogoro) wrt to his past screw-up. I just tossed a possibility that Rum might think that the uploader had already contacted Kogoro about the Haneda case ,as it's a well known fact that Kogoro was involved in the Hotta Gaito case. Another member of BO trying digup Rum's shit after flouting Boss' orders, I don't think it's likely,though I won't discard it. I just posed the counter question with my analysis, so that you can defend your position and at the same time you can evaluate my analysis for scrutiny.
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A good reasoned thought, but I can pose a counter question to you. Why is he so adamant to accompany Kogoro to Kogoro's next murder case? If he was here to investigate Kogoro, then he would be doing things on the line of Bourbon, like showing interests in his method, getting access to his office, investigating his knowledge about the Kohji case etc. But here this guy wants to go with him on a murder case(mind it not even Kogoro's next case). Firstly I was also discarding him as someone with BO but not Rum, but now as I look the thing more closely, I'm getting a sense that he is becoming the prime Rum suspect. If we go by the chapter before his introduction, Gin tells Vodka that he's anxious about Kogoro's involvement in the case and Hotta Gaito might be an interesting lead for Rum, but it's not for Gin. So, Hotta is dead and we can think that Rum's interest is gone and only thing remaining is Gin. Now BO has Bourbon, the finest BO mind working just beneath Kogoro's office, so why they need another agent to look into Kogoro. It's not like that BO wants to kill Kogoro, they will investigate first and then kill him if the necessity arises. Why waste another resource on the same stuff? (BO has shown faith in Bourbon during ASACA song case.) But Rum should be very wary after this string of online exposes about the Haneda Kohji case and Kogoro being invited by Hotta Gaito( Who knew something about the case) can put Kogoro into Rum's radar. So there's a possibility for Rum to come out and test the waters, because the only two thing can become a hurdle in his path. Firstly the persevering uploader of Kohji case. Secondly, if Kogoro takes an interest in the case or the uploader sends the Case to Kogoro. Rum is yet to dig up the uploader, so Kogoro seems to be a good starting point for Rum's investigation.
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My vote goes to Wakita. He's the shadiest of them all. You just can't meet a famous detective and insist to take you on the next murder case(not even his next case). That's a given thing that he's there to do bad stuff to Kogoro.
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Why Wakita is not in the poll?
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Regarding to the thing in Rumi's pocket I've got an approximate size description of the thing. From Manga file 989, we can deduce that Rumi's pocket was of 3.5'' deep. The thing which was there in it looked to have length around 28% of the pocket's depth and it's length and breadth ratio was 2:1 roughly. So if we do the math we will get that the thing in Rumi's pocket is pointed pentagon, with bigger base around 1" and the breadth of the bigger side is around .5".
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Regarding to the thing in Rumi's pocket I've got an approximate size description of the thing. From Manga file 989, we can deduce that Rumi's pocket was of 3.5'' deep. The thing which was there in it looked to have length around 28% of the pocket's depth and it's length and breadth ratio was 2:1 roughly. So if we do the math we will get that the thing in Rumi's pocket is pointed pentagon, with bigger base around 1" and the breadth of the bigger side is around .5". -
I was referring to Subaru's presence in the first chapter of the Ikkaku rock case.There if you look closely then you won't find any Dokkun, only BO pressure, but here there's a would-be murderer among the mix. So how can you be so sure that the Dokkun was due to Subaru but not due to the murderer, even it can be a combined effect of Subaru and the murderer? I think a better description would be when Subaru and Haibara were in a direct one to one scenario and Dokun occurred. Rumi didn't BO trigger her, Rumi's glare triggered pressure, that's not equal to BO pressure on Haibara. It's just an intense pressure. Subaru is a well wisher of Haibara. Subaru is Akai in disguise. Let's make a claim that Subaru invoked Dokkun when Haibara saw him. Now despite good intentions Haibara's BO sense buzzes off, if anyone(even ex) BO members are around her, that's the conclusion we can draw. Rumi during her introduction or her later interactions with Haibara, didn't invoke Dokkun. Rumi's anger towards a third party invoked Dokkun in Haibara. So there's only a single conclusion that can be drawn on Rumi. When she thinks about the said third-party Haibara's BO sense perks up, otherwise she isn't much of a BO member. SO Rumi as a person is so close to Haibara that even Haibara's BO sense can't pick her scent when Rumi is under normal conditions. But Haibara's parents are supposedly dead and her sister is surely dead. Then how is this possible? This means only one conclusion Rumi's intent was so malicious during the incident that it could have been only paralleled by a BO member. Nothing else you can draw from this, everything else is just mere wishful speculations.
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The thing which Haibara felt during Rumi's glare was an intense pressure despite that she wasn't the object of that pressure, comparable to the Ikkau Rocks' disappearing fish case, when Subaru was confronting the the criminal Subaru's glare invoked exactly same feeling for Haibara. But when Subaru was appeared in the first chapter Haibara felt the BO pressure, that BO pressure was devoid of Dokkun, but the glare was there with Dokkun. So Rumi's glare invoking "Dokkun" in Haibara is proof of Rumi's deathly/mal-intent doesn't mean she's a member of BO. If that was the case haibara would have felt the BO pressure. Dokkun=Mal-intent(Irrespective of BO affiliation) BO Pressure= BO confirmed.
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Hmm, but when Rumi was glaring after hearing the sentence containing Prosthetic, Ai's senses perked up. So Rumi was harbouring mal-intent back then but wasn't doing the same when she was tackling the murderer with reverse psychological tricks. That also explains why she cautioned Conan not to badmouth Rumi.
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All I'm saying is that her sense is not limited in sniffing out BO members. It's more of a sense of sniffing out mal-intentions around her. Generally the BO people around her gives off the mal-scent, but they're not the only ones who do that.
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Intent matters, BO or not irrelevant. Haibara can sniff out killing intent, just like she sniffed out mal intent from Kuroda but later recognized that his aura was scary. Similar case, it's not like Haibara's reaction equates BO affiliation, but mal intention for sure.
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Anyone else watching Kubikiri cycle? Personally I think it's a great anime.
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It was my interpretation of the events. The way in which I proposed my case to you didn't contradict with the story-line, you can say that disguises being present wasn't mentioned, so was their absence. All I'm getting that it's a possibility. Now calling possibilities baseless isn't calling people out. I can also say that your solution relies on Amanda staying in the neighbouring room/next room to Haneda's room and Haneda being invited to join the chess competition by Amanda isn't supported by the story-line(though not opposed), but should I resort to call your theory baseless? Or should I say that despite your interpretation I'm inclined to think otherwise?
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Did some searching, it can be like this also
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That's what I was intending, it's fine interpretation without contradicting the real plot-line. But let's say if someone comes up to your reply and calls your interpretation baseless what would you do? Because they're hell bent on their speculations that they would go as far as calling your theory baseless despite their's being unconfirmed.
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What do you think of these reasons? All I'm saying that there's a possibility of Haneda's murder being necessary for smoothly murdering Amanda. If we look at the things Amanda was wary that someone is after her, that's why she got a Bodyguard. Amanda was staying in a Hotel in USA, so it's highly unlikely that someone just comes in and murders her. If anyone wanted to murder her, they would have to pose as her visitor. But Amanda was wary and she won't let anyone in, without proper scrutiny. Suddenly her old acquaintance Haneda Koji comes up and stayed in the same Hotel. She trusted Haneda Kojhi. It's fairly easy for someone to pose as Haneda and then hand her the poisoned stuff. As she trusted Haneda , the culprit didn't even need to force it. But if the real Koji comes up then the whole plan is going to fail. That's why Koji was murdered so that whole thing remain underneath. This also explains that why the BG, wasn't able to stop the killer.