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[SPOILER DISCUSSION] File 818-824 (Mystery Train)
Glass Heart replied to Black Demon's topic in Manga series
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[SPOILER DISCUSSION] File 818-824 (Mystery Train)
Glass Heart replied to Black Demon's topic in Manga series
Ok ! So... -
[SPOILER DISCUSSION] File 818-824 (Mystery Train)
Glass Heart replied to Black Demon's topic in Manga series
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[SPOILER DISCUSSION] File 818-824 (Mystery Train)
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[SPOILER DISCUSSION] File 818-824 (Mystery Train)
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Thanks for your source, mine suppressed the file after I read it. Could someone translate it, please ? There are a lot of dialogues which seem pretty interesting, especially in the last page. -
[SPOILER DISCUSSION] File 818-824 (Mystery Train)
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Spoilers Chapter 821. A lot happens. Big surprises in the last two pages. -
A topic for this cult anime series which is likely the next anime series I will watch. In 1532, a young boy named Esteban joins the navigator Mendoza on his quest to find the seven legendary Cities of Gold in the "New World". Esteban hopes to find his father who disappeared years ago in South America. Esteban befriends an inca girl named Zia and Tao, a descendant of the lost empire of Mu. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stiKu-Mbh8g Also, thirty years after the original series, the trailer of the upcoming second season has been just revealed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-AByVuL0vs
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[SPOILER DISCUSSION] File 818-824 (Mystery Train)
Glass Heart replied to Black Demon's topic in Manga series
There is something that disturbes me on chapter 819. -
[SPOILER DISCUSSION] File 818-824 (Mystery Train)
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I agree. I've thought of two other possibilities. -
[SPOILER DISCUSSION] File 818-824 (Mystery Train)
Glass Heart replied to Black Demon's topic in Manga series
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[SPOILER DISCUSSION] File 818-824 (Mystery Train)
Glass Heart replied to Black Demon's topic in Manga series
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[SPOILER DISCUSSION] File 818-824 (Mystery Train)
Glass Heart replied to Black Demon's topic in Manga series
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[SPOILER DISCUSSION] File 818-824 (Mystery Train)
Glass Heart replied to Black Demon's topic in Manga series
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[SPOILER DISCUSSION] File 818-824 (Mystery Train)
Glass Heart replied to Black Demon's topic in Manga series
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Well, I have considered both possibilities and compared the result of their investigations (which is very interesting since they began on equal terms and that there is a huge difference of results between the two of them). And, for me, I think Masumi Sera is Bourbon. I can't make much sense of Tooru Amuro being Bourbon. Masumi Sera: Tooru Amuro/Scar Akai: Somehow, I don't see how that'll provide him much leads just from judging their reactions. As for Amuro not having any other lead to start his investigation from, then what about sera ? They began their respective investigations on equal term and Sera has gathered much more information than he did without doing the risky stuff. Huh ? I really don't think that Jodie would live in the same appartment than before. And I'm seriously doubting that the BO could do that much either (if they could, they would have already take down the FBI since they had such a great advantage). I don't understand that reasoning. You say the FBI would unadvertedly reveal Akai's still alive. Ok, but after that ? Does that provides him with any lead, any location to investigate ? That's a major hole so far, I don't see how doing that would help Bourbon to progress in his investigation, while at the same time it's a dangerous move which could be avoided (as I said, Sera has begun her investigation at equal term with Amuro, and she was able to gather much more informations than him without taking the same risks). It could also apply to a guy who poses as "Shuichi Akai" while openly defying the FBI, taking the risk to be killed (like Akai1412 has stated), or who shoots Conan's hostage taker through a crowd. ... thinking he was Shuichi Akai. I didn't say she has perfect knowledge, I said she was able to deduce it was a trap and that Scar Akai was a bait and a fake. You asked me about Vermouth's presence. My explanation is the following: the bait worked at first and, like Subaru Okiya, Masumi Sera investigated it under a disguise provided by Vermouth (she would have find the place the same way than Gin and she would have make sure that Vermouth was around and would be able to provide her with a disguise right when Scar Akai would be spotted). Then like Subaru Okiya, Masumi would have been able to determine that Scar Akai was a fake, thus understanding the trap. Of course, Gosho Aoyama wouldn't reveal that Sera's character, which wasn't not properly introduced yet at that time, would already have been secretly on the spot. As for the clues, Gosho Aoyama has already revealed a major one by exposing Amuro's connection to the japanese police force. My guess if the following: Tooru Amuro's target is Bourbon and he takes the Scar Akai persona to lure him to him. Later, upon meeting Sera (who he has previously met somewhere according to his surprise to see her), he begins to investigate her, suspecting she might be Bourbon. Of course, the japanese police force would have some benefits to stop Bourbon since he's a member of a criminal organization operating in Japan. Where is the major hole in that ?
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The logical choice, but not the wisest. As I said, either the FBI know about Akai and Bourbon would be exposed as a fake, or they don't know and he would have attracted unnecessary attention (both onto his activities and onto the possibility of Shuichi Akai being still alive). Either way, it's a dangerous move and it could only complicate his investigations, so I highly doubt he would do something that careless (especially since it was supposed to be a careful move according to Vermouth). True, they can't arrest him right away without exposing themselves, but he would still be exposed. Not a clever move. True, but I did take that into account. That was the explanation given by Vermouth and Gin accepted to buy it for the time being. But even if he was bait, Kogoro was still involved with both Kir and the FBI. If Bourbon is already doubting Gin's judgment of Kir's loyalty, he might also doubt Gin's ability to judge Mouri. If Akai was able to trick Gin once, he could have done that twice. I still don't see how that would help him. Even if they did know something, Bourbon would still be exposed and, while the FBI won't be able to arrest him without making a scene, the same also goes for him. He won't be able to interrogate them. It's not in the BO mentality to do things rushly and to take unnecessary risks. And Bourbon is still a detective. Despite what you say, he would still investigate the whole stuff before making his move. Bourbon needs to be extracareful in finding Akai's whereabouts in order to find Sherry after (since he probably thinks that Sherry and Akai are working together, considering the fact that the trackers were identicals, one attributed to Sherry, and the other thought to be part of a trap set up by Akai). If he exposes himself prematurely, it would only lead to Akai becoming even more cautious. She could have, but it was already too late. Scar Akai has already shown itself and the FBI is already wondering if Akai could still be alive and what he's doing here. So what would be the point in killing him, especially in a crowded place and in front of the FBI ? It would only create confusion and attract unnecessary attention. And the FBI may also be able to see the true face of Scar Akai, wondering what's going on and investigate it thoroughly. It would only make the situation even worse, not a clever move. Gin received a direct order from the boss. The boss is very careful. Gin thought Scar Akai was the true Akai and he was going to make a mistake by ordering his execution, doing things rushaly and threatening to expose them. On the other hand, Bourbon investigated things wisely and carefully and he was able to see Scar Akai was a fake, choosing not to intervene and asking the boss to order Gin to withdraw (and probably also to stay out of his way since Gin isn't much help and could only make things worst right now). The boss took the wise decision and Bourbon's side, which enraged Gin (though he probably have realized at that point that Bourbon's deductions were accurate and that "Shuichi Akai" was indeed a fake/trap, considering how he acknowledged him as a great detective and, at the same time, as a bastard who only does things his own way).
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Still, there are several cases in the manga of other people successfully transforming their faces and impersonating someone without Kid, Yukiko or Vermouth being involved. Amuro could also have connections to help him perform this disguise. If you're alluding of Vermouth's appearance during the bombing hostage case, I have thought about that. As I said in my previous post, I think Bourbon is Scar Akai's real target and posing as Shuichi Akai is the perfect bait to trap him (Bourbon). But the bait didn't work since Bourbon didn't showed himself (though Scar Akai has spotted Chianti, so he knows the BO was present at least). Subaru Okiya (Shuichi Akai) was able to identify the person impersonating him because he was on the scene. Somehow, Bourbon was also able to identify the trap and probably warned Gin to step out of it (and probably also to stay out of his way). My guess if that either Bourbon/Masumi was able to deduce it right away without going on the scene thanks to some informations she had already gathered, or that she could have been amoung the people taken as hostages under a disguise performed by Vermouth (whoever Scar Akai is, there is a chance he knows her face), so the way she would have identified Scar Akai's identity and the trap could have been the same than for Subaru. The second explanation could also explain Masumi Sera's suspicions of Subaru Okiya upon first meeting him. Either she has recognized Shuichi Akai or she has identify him as someone she has already spotted during that bombing hostage case, thanks to some strong photographic memory ability. Now, I can't be sure of the disguise Masumi had taken, though I have an idea of who she could have been. I guess Subaru really means it when he says he wants to treat "those holding their breath, waiting in impatience in this heat" with some hot, bitter coffee.
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I've thought of that. I agree with you that investigating Akai's closest colleagues would be the most obvious thing to do, but would he do that by posing as Shuichi Akai ? If the FBI have indeed helped Akai, then he would be exposed and the FBI could easily arrest him. If they don't know anything, then the FBI would think Akai could still be alive and he would have attracted unnecessary attention. The only reason I could think of for the Scar Akai persona is that someone wants the FBI and/or the Black Organization to think that Shuichi Akai is still alive. And there are three people which would have surely no interest for the organizations to think that Akai is still alive: -Akai because he's gone undercover for some reason and it could ruin everything (to the point he needs even his closest allies to think he's truly dead in order to completely deceive the BO). -Kir because the fact she faked Akai's death would be exposed. -Bourbon because he surely doesn't want Gin and the FBI interfering into his investigations. And it's probably also better for his investigation if Shuichi Akai is assured that everyone has fallen for his trick. If Akai suspects that someone has seen through it, he would be even more careful, which would only complicate Bourbon's investigation. I still think the safest way for Bourbon to begin his investigations is the Mouri's agency. Mouri was supposedly involved with both Kir and Shuichi Akai at one point and the tracker found on Kir's shoes after her meeting with Mouri was the same Gin has found in his car, suspecting Sherry to be the one who put it. Mouri is a link between three people Bourbon hates: Shuichi Akai (which he suspects to still be alive), Kir (because if Akai is still alive, then she is a traitor) and Sherry (the other traitor, possibly his target). It's a lead worth enough to begin his investigation, and distant enough from the FBI (he's more discreet that way). From that point, I think it could be either Masumi Sera (which would investigate the agency indirectly by becoming involved with Ran and Conan) or Tooru Amuro (which would investigate directly by becoming Kogoro's apprentice), given the fact Scar Akai's identity is not yet confirmed. But since it's very likely Tooru is Scar Akai, my prime suspect is Masumi Sera. As for Scar Akai, I suspect his real target is Bourbon. In that configuration, posing as Shuichi Akai to lure him is the perfect bait. But Subaru Okiya and Bourbon might have probably seen through the trick/trap considering Bourbon didn't manifest in the shopping district and even asked for Gin to retreat (probably to avoid unnecessary interference, especially from someone he doesn't hold in high respect like Gin).
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So far, I haven't seen a decisive evidence that Scar Akai could be Bourbon. Gin seems to imply it, sure, but I really think Scar Akai and Bourbon are two separate entities. I can't think of any logical reason for Bourbon posing as Scar Akai, it would be the worst way to begin his investigation no matter how I see it. The best way to begin would be to investigate Mouri's agency, one way or the other (either directly like Tooru or more indirectly like Masumi). Still, I'll wait for the resolution.
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Still, I don't think Scar Akai is Bourbon (it just doesn't make sense). I agree Tooru Amuro is likely Scar Akai, but I'm still confident enough he isn't Bourbon.
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Some special units of the police, more like secret agencies, probably know about it. Of course the FBI is working secretly and separately, this is an american organization. They shouldn't even investigate on the japanese territory, what they're doing is illegal and can be considered as espionage. All the more reason for japanese officials to have their own investigation on the BO.
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Just seen Men in Black 3. Very good movie, almost as good as the first one. Josh Brolin is sensationnal. I recommand it.
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There are plenty of reasons Akai could be at odds with the japanese police. He was a BO operative once, though it was a cover. And he probably had some encounters with Tooru Amuro at that time.
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As for me, my pronostics right now are the followings: Subaru Okiya: Shuichi Akai. Masumi Sera: Bourbon. Tooru Amuro: A special unit police officer undercover. He is also Scar Akai.
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Just seen it ! Incredible, finally a good Detective Conan's live adaptation both faithful to the manga and with a good story ! Junpei Mizobta is perfect as Shinichi as always. He doesn't try to imitate Kappei Yamaguchi's Shinichi or to mimick what Shun Oguri had done before him. He does his own thing. Shun Oguri played Shinichi as an arrogant high-school detective. Junpei Mizobata plays Shinichi very differently, as someone who is extremely comfortable on crime scenes by nature and who is extremely clumsy in his social life, not because he's arrogant but because he's definitely a mystery freak and he can't live otherwise, reminding me a little of Benedict Cumberbatch's Sherlock (though he doesn't play Shinichi as an exhuberant detective). His acting and his charism as Shinichi do the rest. I like how he portrays the character. Hope there will be another special next year, this format (90 minutes long and with a decent budget) works better than the 30 minutes series with a low budget per episode.