Child Abuse

[Sherlock Lupin 41]

Personally, I don't think so. Abuse is difficult to define because you'd have to go into definitions of the lines between punishment, discipline, and abuse. I read something about punishment being when you were in control and deliberately go to do something (thus giving you a punishment), discipline being when you aren't in control (thus resulting in discipline), so I suppose abuse would be something like when there is extremem action taken for actions that may or may not be the fault of the victim.

I don't think so either because a really good counter example to that would be being beaten to the point of losing consciousness. That's obviously abuse, but it's now classified as such because it only happened once. That's just not right to me. Notice my definition does not mention the action having to have happened more than once.

And your definition captures it really well, but what would you say is extreme? Aeyra says belting and using sticks is harsh, while using a stick or wooden spoon is one of the better ways in my opinion. How can we all agree on what is too extreme?

[Aeyra 260]

I don't think so either because a really good counter example to that would be being beaten to the point of losing consciousness. That's obviously abuse, but it's now classified as such because it only happened once. That's just not right to me. Notice my definition does not mention the action having to have happened more than once.

And your definition captures it really well, but what would you say is extreme? Aeyra says belting and using sticks is harsh, while using a stick or wooden spoon is one of the better ways in my opinion. How can we all agree on what is too extreme?

Well, I've never actually been hit, and neither has my brother, so I guess I can't really define it as well as others. But the line is very fine. It's not hard to cross the boundary.

[Samantha 7]

I've been hit before. But it wasn't abuse. I deserved a clout on the head all of the times I was it.

[Black Demon 466]

Corporal punishment, IMO, is not the right way for education in any way, even when it hasn't reached the "abusive" level.

[Miss Smiles 105]

You both raise good questions. I don't expect you both understand, but I'm convinced children is clever and smart, they don't deserved to be punished for trivial things they didn't done. If I'm a parent (I'm 26 years old) I have to give punishment if they do wrong things such as vandalizing or breaking vase (it never happen and I know my kids is nice. ), I give the kid light slap on hand and send him or her stand beside the wall for twenty minutes.

[IdentityUnknown 216]

I don't think so either because a really good counter example to that would be being beaten to the point of losing consciousness. That's obviously abuse, but it's now classified as such because it only happened once. That's just not right to me. Notice my definition does not mention the action having to have happened more than once.

And your definition captures it really well, but what would you say is extreme? Aeyra says belting and using sticks is harsh, while using a stick or wooden spoon is one of the better ways in my opinion. How can we all agree on what is too extreme?

See, this is why it's hard to capture a definition because everybody's opinion will be somewhat different. If we don't get a good one, we'll end up discussing completely different topics. It's like debates, you have to define your terms.

I suppose extreme in this case would be called "potentially life-threatening." But that's just me.

You both raise good questions. I don't expect you both understand, but I'm convinced children is clever and smart, they don't deserved to be punished for trivial things they didn't done. If I'm a parent (I'm 26 years old) I have to give punishment if they do wrong things such as vandalizing or breaking vase (it never happen and I know my kids is nice. ), I give the kid light slap on hand and send him or her stand beside the wall for twenty minutes.

I think that that's a little different. There's a line between discipline, punishment, and abuse. I believe that would classify under discipline.

[tengaku squared 291]

Elaborating on CS:

If there is no one left who wants vengeance, the circle is broken. Of course, that means burning whole families.

[-The Rising Angel- 48]

How true can you be Miko-chan +1

[DetectiveR-2011 1]

Well, child abuse is one of those vicious circles. Children who are abused often end up abusive themselves, and so on so forth. The problem is that you can't see which children are abused. If there's one human nature that should be prized, and hated above all others, is how easy it can be to act like nothing's wrong. And for some kids, it's normal, so nothing is wrong in their world.

Another point is, while everyone says they'd like to stop child abuse, hardly anyone gets up, thinks of a plan to stop it, and actually tries to carry it out. I'll be the first to admit I don't have the willpower to do such a thing, and I highly doubt child abuse could be completely eradicated. The parents and guardians who do it- well, in their minds, they're right. And they have their own set of complicated problems.

Drug abuse. Alcohol. Abusive childhood. If we want to change the world and banish the bane named 'child abuse', you'll have to change everything with it. It can't be done in a generation, and it can't be done by just a group of people. It has to be done by millions, it has to have speakers who are willing to spread the horrors and ways to stop it across the globe, who can kindle courage in the hearts of those who are abused. Who can tell them that they shouldn't be abused, that they should stand up for themselves.

In my personal opinion, stories of child abuse should be shared as often as tragic tales of bullying, to show everybody the consequences of this evil. Bullying is often no secret, bullies will embarrass people publicly, and harass them. But abuse... It's done on the sly, out of the public eye, and it's kept in the dark, unnamed, hidden, concealed by layers threats and punishments.

I also have a few things to say about the abuser. They should get rehabilitation, because while it is their fault, perhaps they could still fix things. Especially if it's a parent, because no matter what, that's a person who's literally a part of you. Most abused children probably don't hate their parents, probably are scared to death of them, but don't hate them with utmost loathing. I'm not saying they have to live them, however, they need to know that person is somewhere, just for peace of mind.

So those are my views, laid out for you all to see. Hopefully, one of us has the strength to start something big, and start changing the world we live in, bring the darkness to the light and cleanse it, and fix it. To erase it as far as it can be erased. There is no such thing as perfection, but the least any of us can do is make the world better, even just the tiniest bit. Who will take the first step?

Well both my parents who were born in africa and kinda were abused but it was for something they did and very rarely but they didn't turn out all nasty they are very nice to me and my two sisters

[hopes 237]

*sigh* I'm eternally grateful that my parents aren't abusive...

If you NEVER want to see a child abused, go to Sweden.

Recently, there was an Italian politician who visited there with his 12 year-old son. He was seen pulling on his son's hair for five seconds. He was immediately confronted by witnesses. When he denied the accusation, they called the police and he was arrested for three days. The court waived a fine of... I think it was $996. They figured the time in jail was enough... Sweden was one of the first countries to ban child abuse and have VERY strict laws about it.

So... Go to Sweden if you don't want to see child abuse.

*looks at all reponses on 'Child Abuse' It's true about bullying some victims

of bully end up killing themsevles or KILLS the bully for revenge look up

Columbine High School massacre. I even heard of children killing other people

look up 'The murder of James Bulger case' and 'Maery Bell' those are the most

shocking murder cases you'll ever find. Post on the topic please, I think the

other DCW members would want hear this.

This is what the reviewer told me to post as well.

[- Ryuuji - 57]

Such a sweet music video. I've never seen it before :ooo

It's so sad.. I'm bawling my eyes out >__<

I hate child abuse :[ ...

[hopes 237]

Yeah... I ended up crying at the end as well... *sigh*

[Lia. 45]

I have no say in this topic.

[hopes 237]

In what way...?

[dw5chaosfan 8]

The only way to get rid of child abuse is if you have as much money as Kaiba. Then you can pay to get abused kids rights. I just read an article today about a supreme court case ruling that said the government cannot completely protect children from child abuse. WTF? They probably need to get a hug from Melvin before they learn!!

[hopes 237]

*sigh*

Without the YGOTAS references, please...

[Sherlock Lupin 41]

*sigh*

Without the YGOTAS references, please...

^ This.

[hopes 237]

As much as I love YGOTAS, this is rather serious... It's child abuse. Even LittleKuriboh won't be able to help out with this by making parodies...

[tengaku squared 291]

Please, no YGOTAS references. Not only does the two topics not fit, I hate YGOTAS.

[hopes 237]

Yes, no YGOTAS references... I think we all agree on that.

[dw5chaosfan 8]

Fine, the government should change some rules. Because seriously, this is just as bad as homosexual marriage being lawful.

[tengaku squared 291]

Because seriously, this is just as bad as homosexual marriage being lawful.

BEGIN THE FLAMING.

And changing laws, in the long run, will not do anything. Laws are made to be broken.

[Aeyra 260]

Fine, the government should change some rules. Because seriously, this is just as bad as homosexual marriage being lawful.

*sigh* There is nothing wrong with homosexuality! Hating it is just as bad as being racist! People can't control being homosexual, and it's not their fault! So would people just stop hating it for being different! Because honestly, that's the only reason everyone has. Sure it might look disgusting. But in the long run, why does it stinking matter????

(now back to child abuse) The government could change some rules, but rules are there to be broken. You can say no murdering, but people'll still do it. You can say don't steal, but people still will. You can say don't abuse your child, and shock, people still do it. It's not something the government can control. In fact, I don't even think it's a problem anyone can really handle accept those who know someone who's being abused and can tell the other person to stand up for themselves. You can't stop people from being abusers. That's hopeless optimism. You can't change that. At least, not the current abusers. You can educate the current generation to know it's completely wrong, and you can educate the current generation to know that if they are being abused, to stand up and tell someone, because there is someone willing to help.

Also, the thing is.... The most common type of abuse is simply neglect. That's harder to realize, because the person'll try to hide the signs, and it's not like you'll see random bruises on their skin. You can hide hunger, and once you get to a certain point, people won't really care if you just wear the same clothes everyday. And then... no one ever finds out. Most people above, I dunno, 10 probably wouldn't die from it, but infants will. And that's the problem with neglect. It kills kids who can't take of themselves. Physical abuse isn't the only one we need to worry about.

[dw5chaosfan 8]

*sigh* There is nothing wrong with homosexuality! Hating it is just as bad as being racist! People can't control being homosexual, and it's not their fault! So would people just stop hating it for being different! Because honestly, that's the only reason everyone has. Sure it might look disgusting. But in the long run, why does it stinking matter????

Okay... why don't people realize that we Christians believe homosexuality is wrong not because we think they are mental but it is morally wrong? Also, people CAN control being homosexual. It has been proven by organizations that try to change homosexuals. And I agree with you on the argument on child abuse.

[Aeyra 260]

Okay... why don't people realize that we Christians believe homosexuality is wrong not because we think they are mental but it is morally wrong? Also, people CAN control being homosexual. It has been proven by organizations that try to change homosexuals. And I agree with you on the argument on child abuse.

Because I am not Christian, and while I respect the beliefs of Christianity, I am an atheist and will not judge people based on their sexual preference. Yes, people 'can' control being homosexual. I could pretend to be homosexual as much as they could pretend to be straight, and I bet both could do it pretty darn well. People can change their sexual preference, but really, is it worth the trouble? Not really, because they can still find love and they have the same morals and ideals as normal people! Why? Because they are normal people!!!! Now I shall stop talking before I start insulting religion. (and get too off topic...)

Yup... Different forms of child abuse. I think the mental form is basically bullying... From a parent.... I probably have a touch of that in my life. Like, I'm afraid to bring home test scores below a 98.... ... ... Yeah.