Who's better off with Shinichi? Haibara Ai or Ran??

[Charala97 23]

That is EXACTLY my point. I WANT Gosho to troll the fans. I don't care about the romance in DC, I care about the mystery in DC. And sure with the way things are going with the romance Shinichi will end up with Ran, but Gosho could change whatever he wants, and that is where trolling comes in.

Yeah, you have got a point, but I support ShinRan, so I will stick to what I believe And I can see that you really want that trolling to take place

[Aeyra 260]

Did I ever show you the picture from that doujin where Shinichi is copping a feel on Megure?

... it is beautiful. You need to see it.

... ... O.O That has to be the weirdest thing I've heard today... I think I'd actually prefer ShinShi to that pairing... I'd prefer VerShin to that... (I've seen fanart for it) As for who fits Shinichi better... Ran matches in two out of three categories. Personality, (hey, Shinichi and Ran are both so melodramatic. And melodramatic couples are cute. :3)and looks (they look similar and different. :3 I dunno why, but Shiho and Shinichi look too different. (says the SuzakuxEuphy fan. The couple that looks ultra-different. .... They're so different they look cute then...). The only factor not matching is intelligence. But... (is struggling to find words that don't make me sound like a hypocrite) Shinichi doesn't have to dumb everything down to Ran, and it's not like she needs his help to do all her homework. (now I don't sound like a hypocrite. )

[Kyuu Nye 425]

Yeah, you have got a point, but I support ShinRan, so I will stick to what I believe And I can see that you really want that trolling to take place

I'm still a ShinShi... But I don't know...I think I'd get more enjoyment from a troll romance ending than any other. It would be sadistic enjoyment, but that is oh so fun. The only fans who would enjoy it are the fans like myself.

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[Aeyra 260]

I'm still a ShinShi... But I don't know...I think I'd get more enjoyment from a troll romance ending than any other. It would be sadistic enjoyment, but that is oh so fun. The only fans who would enjoy it are the fans like myself.

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Then do you support CarpetCrawler's ShinichixMegure? XD

[Reozen 2]

Then do you support CarpetCrawler's ShinichixMegure? XD

I thought he still loved the pairing Megasa

[Kyuu Nye 425]

I thought he still loved the pairing Megasa

This is correct. They were clearly made for each other.

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[Aeyra 260]

This is correct. They were clearly made for each other.

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I'm going to creep away now... And wave my ShinRan banner on the way. *waves feebily*

[IHKF 23]

I pick neither. :x

For starters, I kinda doubt that Shinichi loves Ran. ^^' I really do. WHY in the WORLD would you place CASES above the woman you love? XD You wouldn't. You wouldn't be constantly late, you wouldn't not show up, you wouldn't run off in the MIDDLE of the date. < He's done THAT more than once I'm sure! XD You would stay right by her side all the way through if you truly loved her. Shinichi probably wouldn't even BE Conan if he loved Ran, from my point of view. Not to mention, Ran shares no interest or anything in common with Shinichi besides morals. She does karate, he plays soccer and solves cases. She likes romance, he likes mystery. Her father was a cop, his father is a detective and author of mystery. Her mother is a lawyer, his mother is an actress. Her parents don't live in the same home, his are away period.

I don't like the idea of AiCon either. They don't share the same morals, first of all. Haibara, if a man walked into a bank in front of her, robbed it and killed somebody on the way out, would probably simply call the cops and play it safe. CONAN, however, would run RIGHT AFTER that penniless (or now that he robbed a bank very rich) murderer and knock him down. Haibara and Conan would raise their poor child to be confused and misguided. XD They wouldn't know WHAT to do or WHO to listen to if a somebody robbed a bank and killed someone in front of them. Listen to Mommy or listen to Daddy? Hmmm....? That would tear the poor little thing apart! (Unless, of course, he/she already HAS a favorite which would not be a good sign...).

Also- Conan would be reminded of being poisoned, shot, knocked out, the fear he felt and all the lies he had to give and all that he was forced to leave behind whenever he's with her. I don't think he'll ever be able to see her as a romantic partner when she, on some level, RUINED HIS LIFE. XD lol Now, to the third point. Haibara ALSO has very little in common with Conan. Besides soccer and being shrunk and living in fear out of the same organization, they have NOTHING. Haibara, while once temporarily interested in detective work, ultimately chose science. Conan doesn't CARE for science although it is needed to be a detective. If he didn't need it to do his job he'd probably have no interest in it. Once they both got home neither would be all that interested in each other's work. XD

"Hey honey, how was your day?"

"Good. While I was working on that new formula-"

"Hey, sorry to interrupt but I think I'm going to take a shower." Is something how I think it would play out... every day. And then Haibara never brings up work again. XD

[Kyuu Nye 425]

I pick neither. :x

For starters, I kinda doubt that Shinichi loves Ran. ^^' I really do. WHY in the WORLD would you place CASES above the woman you love? XD You wouldn't. You wouldn't be constantly late, you wouldn't not show up, you wouldn't run off in the MIDDLE of the date. < He's done THAT more than once I'm sure! XD You would stay right by her side all the way through if you truly loved her. Shinichi probably wouldn't even BE Conan if he loved Ran, from my point of view. Not to mention, Ran shares no interest or anything in common with Shinichi besides morals. She does karate, he plays soccer and solves cases. She likes romance, he likes mystery. Her father was a cop, his father is a detective and author of mystery. Her mother is a lawyer, his mother is an actress. Her parents don't live in the same home, his are away period.

I don't like the idea of AiCon either. They don't share the same morals, first of all. Haibara, if a man walked into a bank in front of her, robbed it and killed somebody on the way out, would probably simply call the cops and play it safe. CONAN, however, would run RIGHT AFTER that penniless (or now that he robbed a bank very rich) murderer and knock him down. Haibara and Conan would raise their poor child to be confused and misguided. XD They wouldn't know WHAT to do or WHO to listen to if a somebody robbed a bank and killed someone in front of them. Listen to Mommy or listen to Daddy? Hmmm....? That would tear the poor little thing apart! (Unless, of course, he/she already HAS a favorite which would not be a good sign...).

Also- Conan would be reminded of being poisoned, shot, knocked out, the fear he felt and all the lies he had to give and all that he was forced to leave behind whenever he's with her. I don't think he'll ever be able to see her as a romantic partner when she, on some level, RUINED HIS LIFE. XD lol Now, to the third point. Haibara ALSO has very little in common with Conan. Besides soccer and being shrunk and living in fear out of the same organization, they have NOTHING. Haibara, while once temporarily interested in detective work, ultimately chose science. Conan doesn't CARE for science although it is needed to be a detective. If he didn't need it to do his job he'd probably have no interest in it. Once they both got home neither would be all that interested in each other's work. XD

"Hey honey, how was your day?"

"Good. While I was working on that new formula-"

"Hey, sorry to interrupt but I think I'm going to take a shower." Is something how I think it would play out... every day. And then Haibara never brings up work again. XD

Er... Haibara wouldn't run after the guy because she doesn't have the ABILITY to stop him... not for lack of wanting to... She has changed over time. She is also more object oriented than Shinichi... She does things in a certain way that work best... Shinichi is fool-hearty and wreakless (which is why he has nearly died so many time).

And Shinichi will always remember getting shot and poisoned, it isn't her fault... She made the drug, she didn't administer it... You think the Japanese blame the Manhattan Project or the President who made the decision? And that is what annoys me about Shinichi and Ran... They have both been shot at and nearly died and didn't change... That doesn't happen...

Shinichi is quite interested in science... Just recall that one case where he was spouting off physics like it was nothing. He aspires to be like Holmes, and you can't be Holmes without a desire for science.

But... yeah... you are echoing what I have said before... I think of the two Shiho is better.

In fact, I can see Shinichi asking Shiho to do analysis for him and teaching him how to do it himself. "Hey Shiho... this guy was killed with a drug, think you can analyze it and see what batch it came from so I can track it down? Thanks"

[IHKF 23]

Er... Haibara wouldn't run after the guy because she doesn't have the ABILITY to stop him... not for lack of wanting to... She has changed over time. She is also more object oriented than Shinichi... She does things in a certain way that work best... Shinichi is fool-hearty and wreakless (which is why he has nearly died so many time).

And Shinichi will always remember getting shot and poisoned, it isn't her fault... She made the drug, she didn't administer it... You think the Japanese blame the Manhattan Project or the President who made the decision? And that is what annoys me about Shinichi and Ran... They have both been shot at and nearly died and didn't change... That doesn't happen...

Shinichi is quite interested in science... Just recall that one case where he was spouting off physics like it was nothing. He aspires to be like Holmes, and you can't be Holmes without a desire for science.

But... yeah... you are echoing what I have said before... I think of the two Shiho is better.

In fact, I can see Shinichi asking Shiho to do analysis for him and teaching him how to do it himself. "Hey Shiho... this guy was killed with a drug, think you can analyze it and see what batch it came from so I can track it down? Thanks"

She's changed- but not enough that she won't play cautious. Yes, Shinichi is wreckless- which is why that wouldn't be good for them. They'd just get into fights about how wreckless he is and that wouldn't be good for them.

But he would think about it far more often with her around. He probably will never see her as a romantic interest when her personality still remains so cold. She just scares him and challenges him. XD

As I said before- he isn't interested in science. He merely needs it to be a good detective. If he didn't need it he wouldn't KNOW any of that. XD

I pick neither because there is a less thought of girl who is actually perfect for him if he waited a couple of years to get on the same mental stage as her.

.... I think that would be the most they talked about their work to each other on a day-to-day basis... XD

[AJ M. 204]

As I said before- he isn't interested in science. He merely needs it to be a good detective. If he didn't need it he wouldn't KNOW any of that. XD

I bet you $50 that Kyuu will go off on you for making that statement.

[Aeyra 260]

I pick neither. :x

For starters, I kinda doubt that Shinichi loves Ran. ^^' I really do. WHY in the WORLD would you place CASES above the woman you love? XD You wouldn't. You wouldn't be constantly late, you wouldn't not show up, you wouldn't run off in the MIDDLE of the date. < He's done THAT more than once I'm sure! XD You would stay right by her side all the way through if you truly loved her. Shinichi probably wouldn't even BE Conan if he loved Ran, from my point of view. Not to mention, Ran shares no interest or anything in common with Shinichi besides morals. She does karate, he plays soccer and solves cases. She likes romance, he likes mystery. Her father was a cop, his father is a detective and author of mystery. Her mother is a lawyer, his mother is an actress. Her parents don't live in the same home, his are away period.

I don't like the idea of AiCon either. They don't share the same morals, first of all. Haibara, if a man walked into a bank in front of her, robbed it and killed somebody on the way out, would probably simply call the cops and play it safe. CONAN, however, would run RIGHT AFTER that penniless (or now that he robbed a bank very rich) murderer and knock him down. Haibara and Conan would raise their poor child to be confused and misguided. XD They wouldn't know WHAT to do or WHO to listen to if a somebody robbed a bank and killed someone in front of them. Listen to Mommy or listen to Daddy? Hmmm....? That would tear the poor little thing apart! (Unless, of course, he/she already HAS a favorite which would not be a good sign...).

Also- Conan would be reminded of being poisoned, shot, knocked out, the fear he felt and all the lies he had to give and all that he was forced to leave behind whenever he's with her. I don't think he'll ever be able to see her as a romantic partner when she, on some level, RUINED HIS LIFE. XD lol Now, to the third point. Haibara ALSO has very little in common with Conan. Besides soccer and being shrunk and living in fear out of the same organization, they have NOTHING. Haibara, while once temporarily interested in detective work, ultimately chose science. Conan doesn't CARE for science although it is needed to be a detective. If he didn't need it to do his job he'd probably have no interest in it. Once they both got home neither would be all that interested in each other's work. XD

"Hey honey, how was your day?"

"Good. While I was working on that new formula-"

"Hey, sorry to interrupt but I think I'm going to take a shower." Is something how I think it would play out... every day. And then Haibara never brings up work again. XD

I will use your logic to counter HeiKazu as a pairing. Heiji runs off when Kazuha says she has something extremely important to tell him... Yup, he doesn't love her. Story over. As far as ShinRan goes... Shinichi at least believes he loves Ran, and as long as he believes in that, he'll think he's in love, so if he thinks he's in love, as far as he consciously knows, he's in love with her, right? (confusing sentence! I will counter logic with... random, confusing sentences. ) So basically... that essentially means he's in love with her because you technically only act of what you're conscious of, and I think Shinichi probably loves his cases more than any woman that will ever come his way, just saying.

[IHKF 23]

^

She didn't say she had something really important, did she? She was kind of presenting it like she was just embarrassed to say something that she probably didn't need to say. Heiji bolted after that I think.

But when he actually falls in love- then he's going to realize that he's wrong with Ran, right? XD

You don't make a choice to love somebody. I TRIED to like Spongebob but no matter how hard I tried he just annoyed me still. XD If he isn't in love with her he will eventually find somebody he IS in love with and either deny it until he can't any longer or realize he was wrong before and pursue this other chick.

And if that's the truth than he is incapable of having a serious romantic relationship- period. xD

I bet you $50 that Kyuu will go off on you for making that statement.

Why? It's TRUE! XD

[AJ M. 204]

I will use your logic to counter HeiKazu as a pairing. Heiji runs off when Kazuha says she has something extremely important to tell him... Yup, he doesn't love her. Story over.

The love story between Heiji and Kazuha is merely identical to that of Shinichi and Ran, so that doesn't really say anything. (Both Shinichi and Heiji's ignorance towards Ran and Kazuha, respectively, is love in disguise; they just have trouble admitting it) But yes, I agree that if Shinichi had to choose between cease being a detective or losing Ran, he would most definitely choose the girl.

Why? It's TRUE! XD

I would explain, myself, all of the instances where Shinichi showed interest in science, but I'll just leave that to Kyuu.

[IHKF 23]

The love story between Heiji and Kazuha is merely identical to that of Shinichi and Ran, so that doesn't really say anything. (Both Shinichi and Heiji's ignorance towards Ran and Kazuha, respectively, is love in disguise; they just have trouble admitting it) But yes, I agree that if Shinichi had to choose between cease being a detective or losing Ran, he would most definitely choose the girl.

I would explain, myself, all of the instances where Shinichi showed interest in science, but I'll just leave that to Kyuu.

Just because he states scientific facts doesn't mean he's interested in science, though. He just knows all of it because he knew in order to be a good detective he had to KNOW all of it. XD I hate math but I have to know it to become an author, don't I? :grin:

And as for Shinichi choosing Ran over his job- THAT is how Gosho will prove to me he loves her. There is no proof he'd do it now but when I'm presented with proof that he'd give up his detective job to be with her then I'll believe he truly loves her.

[Kyuu Nye 425]

Just because he states scientific facts doesn't mean he's interested in science, though. He just knows all of it because he knew in order to be a good detective he had to KNOW all of it. XD I hate math but I have to know it to become an author, don't I? :grin:

And as for Shinichi choosing Ran over his job- THAT is how Gosho will prove to me he loves her. There is no proof he'd do it now but when I'm presented with proof that he'd give up his detective job to be with her then I'll believe he truly loves her.

I'm not even going to cite instances, I don't need to. Have you ever tried to learn something that in depth without being interested? It doesn't happen, especially not with science. Also, again, Holmes was a researcher. To make himself more like his idol, Shinichi will force himself to be interested, much like he forced himself to play soccer

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[IHKF 23]

I'm not even going to cite instances, I don't need to. Have you ever tried to learn something that in depth without being interested? It doesn't happen, especially not with science. Also, again, Holmes was a researcher. To make himself more like his idol, Shinichi will force himself to be interested, much like he forced himself to play soccer

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Yes. It's called buckling down and learning something you have to. If he's that determined to be a detective- that's all he needs to learn about a subject he has no interest in. Once again, I hate math- but I buckled down and learned it because I NEED it to be successful in what I want to do.

You can't force yourself to be interested in anything, though. What you like is what you like. Just because Holmes is a researcher doesn't mean that he's going to be into science. It just means he'll know tons and tons of info. :grin: And he didn't force himself. He could have gone with any sport to use as a replacement for Sherlock's fencing. He just chose soccer. Conan has never shown any sign of interest in science besides stating facts. That doesn't mean he's into it. XD He definitely seems to enjoy soccer- he CHOSE to do it. It was the one thing about being a detective that he got to choose how he played it. He's probably genuinely interested in soccer.

[Kyuu Nye 425]

I think it is more that he became interested in soccer as a result of playing it. He even said in the first few chapters that playing soccer was a means to an end.

Also... We should just make another topic about this, and allow this to get back on track.

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[IdentityUnknown 216]

I pick neither. :x

For starters, I kinda doubt that Shinichi loves Ran. ^^' I really do. WHY in the WORLD would you place CASES above the woman you love? XD You wouldn't. You wouldn't be constantly late, you wouldn't not show up, you wouldn't run off in the MIDDLE of the date. < He's done THAT more than once I'm sure! XD You would stay right by her side all the way through if you truly loved her. Shinichi probably wouldn't even BE Conan if he loved Ran, from my point of view. Not to mention, Ran shares no interest or anything in common with Shinichi besides morals. She does karate, he plays soccer and solves cases. She likes romance, he likes mystery. Her father was a cop, his father is a detective and author of mystery. Her mother is a lawyer, his mother is an actress. Her parents don't live in the same home, his are away period.

People don't have to live similar lives to be in love with each other. Solving cases is his passion. Also note that people don't always realize they're that much in love until they lose the person they love. I'm sure if Shinichi had known what would happen, he would've thought more about chasing down Vodka. It was a split second decision and there wasn't time for him to weigh pros and cons. However, Shinichi also believes in justice. Most people, if you ask them, will say that they'd rather sacrifice the one they love for the "greater good." Does this mean they don't love that person? I'm sure not. They're just acknowledging that if they can save more lives, they would choose to make a huge sacrifice.

Running off in the middle of a date was not Shinichi's fault. In fact, Shinichi even hesitated when he was running off until Ran told him to go. She told him to go because she knew he loved solving cases and because she loved him. The next time he ran off he had no choice -- he was going to turn into Conan.

Again, back to interests. You don't have to share the same interests to love each other. It's often the imperfections and differences that make everything interesting. If you had the exact clone of yourself, one, you'd probably find you don't like yourself all that much , and two, it'd be completely boring. And what does it matter about their parents? People love each other for the person they're in love with, not because of who their parents are. Sure, they may have been raised differently, but when it comes to love, it's feelings.

Anyways, that's my argument that says that Shinichi does not necessarily not love Ran. I can't say I love the pairing anymore, but I personally disagree with your argument that Shinichi doesn't love Ran.

[IHKF 23]

People don't have to live similar lives to be in love with each other. Solving cases is his passion. Also note that people don't always realize they're that much in love until they lose the person they love. I'm sure if Shinichi had known what would happen, he would've thought more about chasing down Vodka. It was a split second decision and there wasn't time for him to weigh pros and cons. However, Shinichi also believes in justice. Most people, if you ask them, will say that they'd rather sacrifice the one they love for the "greater good." Does this mean they don't love that person? I'm sure not. They're just acknowledging that if they can save more lives, they would choose to make a huge sacrifice.

Running off in the middle of a date was not Shinichi's fault. In fact, Shinichi even hesitated when he was running off until Ran told him to go. She told him to go because she knew he loved solving cases and because she loved him. The next time he ran off he had no choice -- he was going to turn into Conan.

Again, back to interests. You don't have to share the same interests to love each other. It's often the imperfections and differences that make everything interesting. If you had the exact clone of yourself, one, you'd probably find you don't like yourself all that much http://dctp.thetrogdor.com/Smileys/default/lipsrsealed.gif, and two, it'd be completely boring. And what does it matter about their parents? People love each other for the person they're in love with, not because of who their parents are. Sure, they may have been raised differently, but when it comes to love, it's feelings.

Anyways, that's my argument that says that Shinichi does not necessarily not love Ran. I can't say I love the pairing anymore, but I personally disagree with your argument that Shinichi doesn't love Ran.

I know- but besides their morals, they have NOTHING in common. Shinichi was daydreaming about confessing "love" to Ran far before the incident that resulted in Conan Edogawa. He knew he had feelings for her but still ran off and was constantly late. When you truly love something you make sacrifices for it. He never seems to put Ran above any cases- which to me means he doesn't love her as much as he claims to or the fans claim he does. XD Keep in mind that he ALSO BOLTED when Ran caught the flowers that one episode. XD Chances are he would have ended up running off anyways even IF she didn't grant him permission. With the way he was almost literally shaking in his seat with anticipation- if he can't concentrate on her, if he can't have some self control and block the case out completely, then to me, he doesn't love her. And that second time wouldn't have BEEN a SECOND TIME if he had stayed the first time! XD

Yes, you expect to have differences in a couple- you have to. But interests and similar backgrounds and similar tastes and similar morals are what make people compatible. Shinichi and Ran only have morals. The parents thing is about similar backgrounds. They didn't grow up in the same way so they cannot relate in that way to each other.

And running after somebody who he simply had strange suspicions about is not sacrificing Ran for the greater good- ESPECIALLY when he does it all the time. XD Think about how their MARRIAGE would turn out! He'd never be home! :sad:

[moroboshi dai 11]

kudo is unable to read a girl's heart so he need to learn with a though one like shiho cause i'm sure she'll slap him several time

[IHKF 23]

kudo is unable to read a girl's heart so he need to learn with a though one like shiho cause i'm sure she'll slap him several time

Yes but he isn't one to follow the leader and neither is she- and a relationship does not come with 2 pairs of pants. XD

[moroboshi dai 11]

Yes but he isn't one to follow the leader and neither is she- and a relationship does not come with 2 pairs of pants. XD

i'm not talking about folowing anyway a good relation is not one leader but both have they part of responsabilities but what i mean is that shiho can make him understand girl better instead of playing the pretentious detective

[IHKF 23]

i'm not talking about folowing anyway a good relation is not one leader but both have they part of responsabilities but what i mean is that shiho can make him understand girl better instead of playing the pretentious detective

Boys will never understand girls and vice versa- he's dense to the point where her smacking him or Ran punching him is just going to make his density a dent in his head. XD

[moroboshi dai 11]

Boys will never understand girls and vice versa- he's dense to the point where her smacking him or Ran punching him is just going to make his density a dent in his head. XD

i know but small thing girl love is to ask how they are doing or in other word getting news or sign to show they are loved a bit as kudo don't do anything else then talking about himself how lame and even if as conan he already know that won't kill him to ask thing as he's supposed to be far away for ran