Abducdetective 1 Report post Posted January 31, 2012 I've never read the Valley of Fear myself, only the synopsis. However, since I never missed even one chapter of Detective Conan, I notice that the story of Shuichi Akai infiltrating the org is strikingly similar to that of the Pinker Agent Birdie Edwards, who passed himself off as the infamous conman John McMurdo, who boasted of counterfeiting and betraying his own partner to gain trust from the Ancient Order of the Freemen's Bodymaster McGinty. Birdie, much like Shuu, also fell in love with the daughter of another member of the Order, Ettie Shafter. Ettie reciprocates his feelings. This however earned "McMurdo" the rivalry of Ted Baldwin, Ettie's suitor. However, the Order soon caught wind of a certain "Birdie Edwards'" infiltration, evenm tho they don't know that "McMurdo" is in fact Birdie Edwards. Birdie tricked the order into laying a trap for "Edwards," only to reveal himself to be the very Pinkerton Agent they're ambushing and had his colleagues arrest them all. After this incident, however, Birdie had to flee from the vengeful Ted Baldwin. He arrived at England and changed his name to John Douglas, where he married his 2nd wife (Ettie already dying a natural death, thanksfully). Even tho' Ted successfully tracked him down, Birdie/Douglas killed Ted in a brawl when Ted's sawn-off shotgun accidentally went off and effectively destroyed Ted's face. Douglas attempted to pass Ted as himself. Nevertheless, Douglas' scheme this time is seen through by Holmes. Douglas was acquitted with a fair trial pleading self-defense. However, Douglas is ultimately killed (a deed which Holmes attributed to Professor Moriarty) while attempting to flee England again, because Ted Baldwin also enlisted Moriarty's help in the former's effort to have his vengeance on Douglas. Now to the main part. I am NOT suggesting that Aoyama completely plagiarized Conan Doyle. You know, stories about moles from law-enforcement force infiltrating criminal organization abound. I just point out similarities. And I deduce that this is the way Aoyama paid his homage and tribute to Conan Doyle. Nevertheless, that there are so many similarities between Aoyama's and Doyle's respective works that worries me. Listed below are the equivalents between each work, Doyle's characters at the left side and Aoyama's right: John McMurdo / John Douglas / Birdie Edwards - Shuichi Akai Ettie Shafter - Akemi Miyano (why did Akemi not die naturally ? ) Ted Baldwin - Gin (I hope Gin's face got blown off the same way Ted met his fate ) Birdie's 2nd wife, Mrs. Douglas - Jodie Starling Cecil Barker - James Black and last but not least Moriarty - That Person, Anokata, The Black Org's Boss. At the end of the story, Holmes assured Birdie's friend, Cecil Barker, that Moriarty would pay his price (ultimately at Reichenbachs Fall, my many thanks Sir Doyle !). However, I am sad that Doyle killed off Douglas. So despite many fans theory about Okiya Subaru being Akai, I am afraid that Akai in fact died, even tho' this can be interpreted as a sacrifice to bring down the org once and for all. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Demon 466 Report post Posted January 31, 2012 Sorry, but this topic is not suitable in the "Wiki Discussion" section. That is where we discuss about the Wiki articles only. EDIT: Sorry but I don't think that basing only on the similarities is convincing enough to determine whether Akai is dead or alive. Many fans speculate that he's Okiya because of more solid evidences/clues. And like Kyuu said below, Sherlock Holmes is not the only source of inspiration for Gosho. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chekhov MacGuffin 1089 Report post Posted January 31, 2012 Wouldn't Ted Baldwin be better played by Scar Akai/Bourbon/Amuro? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kyuu Nye 425 Report post Posted February 1, 2012 You do realize that Gosho draws inspiration from a number of literary sources, including Conan Doyle, Agatha Christie, Edogawa Rampo, Maurice LeBlanc et al. Now I see where you are coming from, but this is no surprise, and so long as Gosho doesn't directly plagiarize anyone there are no issues. Not to mention the fact that most of his characters are well known archetypes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ariadne Miyano 4 Report post Posted February 29, 2012 Ahh McMurdo's wife, Ettie is not the daughter of a member from the organization. Her father more like despised the members and he even opposed McMurdo's union with his daughter. And as to Akai resembling Douglas, yeah I notice that too but in the end Birdie Edwards had destroyed the organization, succeeding on imprisoning it's heads (well save for a few)while Akai hadn't. But I hope he's still alive and he's not Okiya. I want Okiya to be with Shiho. ANd Akai with Jodie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites