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File 825-827: Bourbon Tennis Murder Case (NO SPOILER)

  

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  1. 1. Who dunnit?

    • Momozone Kotone (21)
    • Umejima Machi (22)
    • Takanashi Noboru (22)
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    • Suicide
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    • Uriu
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    • The doctor
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    • Amuro Tohru
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    • Multiple suspects
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    • None of the above
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  2. 2. Which officer do you think will take the case?

    • Yokomizo Sango
    • Yamamura Misao
    • Someone else
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Well English version's out, I can use them, go along DCTP. :)

The police won't suspect Conan as prime one. Before he could Amuro won't having Conan being suspected. Took long look at picture:

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The tennis racket was behind him and clearly was dropped when he released upon impact. Murder weapon is the vase, when his head bleeds. And the vase's size is half of Conan's, Conan can clear off suspect's list cos' the doctor can testify injured person don't have ability to hold without dizziness, the vase's weight can't be moved with child's weight.

Conan's exact height:

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If the police come to site and examine the size and height, Conan is not on suspect's list based on the vase and height of the deceased. He will be claimed dead by fall of vase from the shelf.

I paste it from DCTP as I'm Sato in person.

One thing about the deceased, his pose is really odd as it seems he stand at his left before fall down to right. He has been supported after the attack; the nearest item is the door, if it open it can support his weight as he slide down to floor.

If Amuro use the pin, it's likely there's first nearby somewhere in the house or key being used.

And I notice his slipper was missing, it's possible vase isn't murder weapon because he was moved; possibly to make make-believe accidental death.

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The position of the hands of the deceased looks really odd.... it somehow feels like someone has placed the body like that because, that position doesn't look like a natural one ( Is that even possible 80 )

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I wonder if the victim actually jumped across the verandas because his room was locked and his key missing? That might account for his missing shoe if he is not lying on it and we can't see it. I wonder how Conan fits into all this and how he went to sleep? I suppose more relevant information will be revealed next file.

Since the tennis courts seem to be in Izu that should be Yokomizo Juugo Sango's territory, but Yamamura was the officer that showed up when they ran to some nearby houses in the suspicious spicy curry case in Volume 40: Files 4-6 (407-409). They are at a suspect's house now, so who knows? Juugo Sango would be nice to see because I think he last appeared in the ecchi Hakone bathhouse on the lake case (724) Eri's birthday (710), but watching Amuro trying to deal with the dumbest cop would be highly amusing. Conan doesn't have his watch on him currently, so either Amuro/Juugo Sango will do the heavy lifting or Conan will produce it from somewhere.

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Wait a minute...isn't Izu part of Shizuoka prefecture, thereby falling under Sango's jurisdiction instead of Jugo's?

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On a side note, I believe Ai's reaction at the beginning of this chapter is proof that she would still prefer to submit herself to the BO if confronted by them, rather than try to evade them further. I can only imagine how she will react the next time she encounters BO members - if Conan once again devises a plan to save her, could she actually do something retaliatory against him?

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  On 7/15/2012 at 3:54 PM, TML said:

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On a side note, I believe Ai's reaction at the beginning of this chapter is proof that she would still prefer to submit herself to the BO if confronted by them, rather than try to evade them further. I can only imagine how she will react the next time she encounters BO members - if Conan once again devises a plan to save her, could she actually do something retaliatory against him?

Well I hope that's what she'll do in the future...She was upset that they did everything behind her back,so maybe she'll change her behavior toward the BO,and decide to fight against them instead of relying on Conan.

And I really hope she'll investigate on Okiya by herself...I mean,she made the link between Dai and Okiya,so I can't believe she forgot everything and trusted Conan's words.

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I definitely think we are looking at dry ice inside the vase as part of the solution because of the condensation. That ice cream cake would not have stayed cold in his room otherwise. Turning off the air conditioning in the room was to probably speed the sublimation. As for the key, maybe it was wrapped under the grip tape in one of the tennis racket handles?

This seems like a case where timing is key, so a detailed chronological listing of where the suspects were in order to look for inconsistencies or opportunities is probably a good idea.

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  On 7/23/2012 at 6:00 AM, Chekhov MacGuffin said:

I definitely think we are looking at dry ice inside the vase as part of the solution because of the condensation. That ice cream cake would not have stayed cold in his room otherwise. Turning off the air conditioning in the room was to probably speed the sublimation. As for the key, maybe it was wrapped under the grip tape in one of the tennis racket handles?

I could see the possibility of dry ice being used to preserve the ice cream cake. If the culprit noticed it hasn't been eaten yet, he/she would want to create an excuse as to why the victim hasn't taken a bite: the ice cream cake melted. And in order to melt the cake, the culprit would have to get rid of the dry ice by placing it in the vase and by turning off the AC. But I don't think turning off the AC was used necessarily to sublimate the dry ice in the vase. Maybe the culprit used water to speed up the process of sublimation, which would explain the presence of water in the vase.

And I initially thought the key could be hidden under the grip tape, but I think we have to take the word of the investigators when they say: "We checked everyone's rackets but we couldn't find anything like a key anywhere." The only reasonable place for investigators to search for a key on a racket is under the grip tape. Honestly, if I was the culprit, I would either drop it down the drain in the bathtub or flush it down the toilet. That way, if investigators somehow find the key, I would say it could have been accidentally dropped by someone. My fingerprints would also be washed away by the constant water drainage which would be a bonus. But that's just me...

I think I might have to look over the chapter several more times.

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Here’s my (incomplete) deduction of the case:

It could either be really close to the point or way off the mark. And sorry for double posting...

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  On 7/24/2012 at 12:53 AM, AJ M. said:

Here’s my (incomplete) deduction of the case:

It could either be really close to the point or way off the mark. And sorry for double posting...

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That's a pretty good deduction. I think the tennis racket dry ice body moving bit is likely spot on. For the vase, it could be that she shoved some ice/dry ice on one side, and balanced it without having to freeze it overnight. This would be faster and require less preplanning, but preplanning is indicated with the missing key, and your deduction does explain why the whole freezing water bottle element part of the story was brought up in the first place.

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It's been a few days, so I think a double post is OK here...

  On 7/24/2012 at 12:53 AM, AJ M. said:

Here’s my (incomplete) deduction of the case:

It could either be really close to the point or way off the mark. And sorry for double posting...

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Congrats on a nearly perfect deduction, AJ M.!

While Amuro seems to suspect Conan is the one making sleeping Kogoro, I also wonder if he thinks that Conan is being used by someone: someone has given Conan gadgets, is telling Conan what to do, and is making deductions through Conan/Kogoro. The only reason I suggest this option as a possible alternative to Conan being the sole person behind Sleeping Kogoro is that Amuro may still be looking for a way to insert Akai into the situation. Even though, I think the deduction that Conan is the mastermind is better given the evidence Amuro has, and may be the one he is pursuing given the picture at the end. (....maybe Amuro wants an apprentice?)

I hope the goal of this post-Bourbon arc is coming up with a strategy to trick Bourbon into buggering off. I would be pretty pleased with that plot development, especially if Ran gets suspicious of Conan as well.

Whatever happens, I think Vermouth is not going to be central to bailing Conan out of harm's way this time. In the past when she has protected Conan, she was either conveniently nearby (busjack) or used a little verbal persuasion (FBI vs BO x2). She is not close right now, and if she tries too hard to dissuade Bourbon, she risks focusing Bourbon's suspicion squarely on why she is pushing him from the course of action he is taking. At best, I think Vermouth might send a message to Conan/run into Conan in a dark alleyway and warn him of Bourbon's intentions.

I think Sera, Akai, and the rest of team Shin-chan are more likely to be the primary helpers. You could also throw Hattori and Kid in there if you wanted everything to be more complicated. If Kid is going to get involved, we will probably see hints of it next case. If Hattori knew that a BO member was hanging around, he would invite himself into the dead center of the problem like what happened with him and Jodie. That and Hattori would probably try to upstart Amuro in a case no matter what out of principle, because Hattori prefers to be more direct than subtle (and Hattori will get annoyed by Kazuha thinking Amuro is good looking).

There are two very immediate problems with Bourbon being suspicious of Conan because they can easily happen very soon: he could hear Shinichi is alive because the Mouris and their friends freely discuss Shinichi, or Amuro decides to stop by Agasa's or Kudo's house to get more info. The Shinichi problem is especially pressing because Sera has poked the issue before, and she may try to do it again. The major third problem, Amuro running into Ai while trying to intercept Conan, say on the way to school, can be alleviated by having Ai walk separately from them and not participate in any Detective Boys activities, like Kid heists. I wouldn't be surprised if Haibara will start doing this on Conan's recommendation anyway to be on the safe side since they know Bourbon has been hanging around.

I wonder where Vermouth is living, and if we have seen that building before in the manga.

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wow this looks like it was a really good case. im sorry i missed it. congrats AJM for solving it. icon_e_biggrin.gif

So it seems Conan peaked Bourbons interest. The plot remains heated

@Chek i sure hope a Ran suspicion arc is coming soon. And I hope Bourbon is not looking into Conan just for a connection with Akai, even though its probably true. Something like he has a connection to him and that he is some type of spy for him.

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