Best Fighter in Detectice Conan

[Pink Panther 1]

Hello everyone,

Which character do you think is the best at using his/her martial and fighting ability to protect and serve in Detective Conan World?

Please pick your choice in the poll and feedback would be helpful :grin:

[CurbsideGirl 0]

It's absolutely Ran Mouri.

She has shown like hundreds kicks and jabs from the series.

[Wicky 11]

Ran Mouri is the strongest character in Detective Conan. She's waited for so long without moaning. She's the most strongest person ever, emotionally. <3 And she can do kenji. XP

[IHKF 23]

Kogoro, Kazuha, Sera, and Sato.

[Pink Panther 1]

I personally think Sato is the strongest one since she deals with criminals more than everyone else. Thus, she got a lot of practice.

[TheBlackTac 70]

Absolutely meh

I personally think Sato is the strongest one since she deals with criminals more than everyone else. Thus, she got a lot of practice.

^ I stand by Pink Panther's opinion.

[Kyuu Nye 425]

Let me go through a breakdown of each character...

Mouri Ran - Karate Black Belt and captain of the HS Karate team. Is shown to be proficient at many kicks and physically very strong. Easily defeated when scared or unprepared. In competition she is probably very effective, but not so much in the real world.

Mouri Kogorou - [likely] A Judo black belt. Sucked in competition, was great in practice. Also a former police detective, meaning he dealt with criminals on a regular basis. Has been shown to be proficient in a pinch, and has great reaction. He is a strong contender.

Kazuha Toyama - Proficient in Aikido. The softest of the martial arts of the characters. Her abilities have been shown to be effective. Aikido is a fantastic defensive martial art. However lack of real world experience and lack of showing of her abilities make it difficult to put her in the running for best fighter. Perhaps she could become a contender with experience.

Makoto Kyogoku - Same as Ran likely. However, unlike Ran seems to keep a cooler head and not let his emotions get the better of him in life threatening situations. He is undefeated in the ring, and has been shown to be highly effective in real world situations, even taking a knife to his arm and not blinking, to defeat his opponent. However, lack of real world experience is a detriment. He is however in the running due to the aforementioned bout with a criminal. (Also being able to dodge a bullet (not possible, but still worth noting for the purposes of this comparison))

Subaru Okiya - Okiya is Akai, that is pretty apparent now. That means he took FBI hand to hand training. He was considered a top agent and likely had extensive experience all over the world and training in the FBI hand to hand combat techniques from the FBI training facility in Quantico. He is the a top contender for best fighter, due to this, despite not seeing anything first hand.

Masumi Sera - Jeet Kun Do practitioner. Now despite my own feelings about this "martial art" (I won't get into that now as it is irrelevant) it is probably the most effective of the chosen martial arts here. Mainly due to the philosophy of it, which is learn which is effective for you from various other martial arts, and take in what is most effective. Making a custom mixed martial art that accentuates the strengths of the practitioner and limits the weaknesses. Now naturally, if she learned the actual system that Bruce Lee devised, it is far less effective for her, mainly because it was designed for him, or whom he taught. There is only so much you can derive from that. If she took the essence of the system of which Bruce Lee devised it would make her a formidable foe. However, her lack of experience makes her hard to consider for "best." She is probably the best TEENAGED fighter of the bunch, just not overall.

Miwako Sato - Easily the best of the MPD. She has training, and by the looks of it has street fighting experience. While her technique is not perfectly refined, she knows an array of techinques and strikes and is physically strong. She has the experience to back it up as well. Being taught the police hand to hand combat techniques, and from what we have seen, she goes for grappling to subdue (standard police protocol) when possible. Of not she just goes crazy with striking. She has high levels of experience and high levels of training. She is an extremely strong contender.

Black Org Members - Well of the ones we have seen, it is likely that Gin, Bourbon and Vermouth are the most skilled in hand to hand. However, the amount of experience and skill they each have is completely unknown. Gin we know is tough as nails, shooting himself to not succumb to tranqs. Vermouth likely has training as an actress, and Bourbon likely as another top member who is active in the field also has experience. However, the lack of data makes it hard to come to any strict conclusion. It is possible that any of them could be stronger than anyone else.

SO! Overall... The teenagers are all out. Fighting a seasoned fighter would doom them. They couldn't keep up, and likely the more experienced knows what will work and be most effective from first hand experience. So Ran, Kazuha, Makoto and Sera are all not the strongest (Did anyone really expect them to be?)

Next is Kogorou... He has experience and training, but he is likely out of practice. That is the biggest detriment to him. If he was still active in the MPD he would likely be higher up there.

BO are simply too unknown. It is possible, but for the purposes of this, not going to happen. Gin is definitely tough, but does that make him the best fighter? Possible, but I can't say for certain. Vermouth probably has formal training. And Bourbon as well. As they are all close quarter and covert operatives. Meaning they would all need to know how to deal with close quarter combat. Lack of information prevents any significant conclusion though.

Then we finally come to Sato and Okiya. They are about the same in my book. I'd give the edge to Okiya due to rigor of training and international field work which would give him more experience. Also being trained in Quantico probably trumps the training facilities in Japan for the MPD.

So in my opinion Okiya is best fighter in Detective Conan

[TheBlackTac 70]

^ Kyuu had it. Again... + 1

[Pink Panther 1]

Thanks a lot Kyuu Nye!! What a fantastic break down!

I wonder if Kaitou Kid can fight, he surely know how to escape the best :mrgreen:

[Black Demon 466]

I've never seen Kaitou Kid fights before, even in Magic Kaito, so I'll go with no.

[Kyuu Nye 425]

I did forget about Heiji, but he is barely worth mentioning... Heiji is a kendo guy. He needs a stick to really shine. Without it he is darn near useless. He can do basic kicks, but they are secondary to his shinai or bokken. So he fails too. I just want to get that out of the way before Heiji fans complain about my omission of him XD.

And Kaitou Kid is definitely not a fighter. He is a trickster. He'll set off a smoke bomb and escape rather than throw a punch or kick.

And I am glad you all enjoyed my breakdown

Edit: HUZZAH! 1000th post! (granted like 7 of them are reserve posts for my tox thread)

[Pink Panther 1]

I forgot to mention Jodie she could be a strong contender as well.

[Kyuu Nye 425]

I forgot to mention Jodie she could be a strong contender as well.

She doesn't seem to have the ferocity of Satou. She might be a good fighter but would probably be third after Okiya and Satou. She probably has better training though than that of Satou though. I'd pay to see that fight, would be a great one. I'd put my money on Satou though. I just get the feeling she is the better fighter. (I also might be slightly biased as I like Satou more then Jodie)

So many variables. But I stand by my initial analysis.

And I am sad that people seem to be ignoring my analysis and people keep on voting for the teenagers

[ALAKTORN 170]

Makoto and “Okiya” are clearly the strongest in my opinion, just because Makoto is a teenager doesn’t mean that he can’t fight as well as adults

about Satō I don’t know, I don’t remember much about her fighting, just some random subduing of weak criminals I guess

[Kyuu Nye 425]

Makoto and “Okiya” are clearly the strongest in my opinion, just because Makoto is a teenager doesn’t mean that he can’t fight as well as adults

about Satō I don’t know, I don’t remember much about her fighting, just some random subduing of weak criminals I guess

Strength means nothing. He is quite strong, but there is no replacement for real life experience. Also Karate is notoriously unbalanced for real world combat, which is a detriment to him. All anyone needs to do is dodge or take his first attack and get in close to grapple, and he is done.

Teenagers are just inexperienced in real world combat. That is why Jodie, Kogorou, Okiya, Satou are the top fighters. They have been in the real world, and they all know grappling as well as striking (yes, Kogorou's main style is judo, but he is still trained as a police detective which means he is proficient in basic striking). So while Makoto could fight many adults in pure striking, he couldn't stand a chance against the seasoned adults when anything goes.

This is especially true of a kid whom is undefeated in the ring of only striking martial arts. He goes to international competitions. There are rules and regulations. Reaction time would be slower for moves that are illegal in those competitions. Considering that I taught martial arts and have fought in the ring, and fought no rules (other than stopping short of certain areas)... I can tell you that ring fighters fail quickly when anything goes.

Want proof? Look into mixed martial arts, and find me a champion who does NOT do any grappling. I'll tell you right now... it isn't many if any at all. Why? Because a balanced or grappling only style trumps striking only nearly 100% of the time. It is the reason I started learning grappling.

[Parkur 165]

Minerva would own all of these people

[Pink Panther 1]

Minerva would own all of these people

Who is Minerva??

[Kyuu Nye 425]

Who is Minerva??

The tennis star from the London case. Parkur has a slight obsession with her.

[applepie 1]

makoto, totally. sera's my second choice.

I think the two of them would make a pretty cool team

[MadelineLime 45]

The police force aren't trained to "fight", they're trained to take someone down, and do it as quickly as possible with minimal casualties. None of the kids have been trained like that for 10+ years.

[moroboshi dai 11]

makoto vs sera maybe the most epic fight hahaha

seriously mokoto is my favorite

[Kudo Ran-san 17]

Let me go through a breakdown of each character...

Mouri Ran - Karate Black Belt and captain of the HS Karate team. Is shown to be proficient at many kicks and physically very strong. Easily defeated when scared or unprepared. In competition she is probably very effective, but not so much in the real world.

Mouri Kogorou - [likely] A Judo black belt. Sucked in competition, was great in practice. Also a former police detective, meaning he dealt with criminals on a regular basis. Has been shown to be proficient in a pinch, and has great reaction. He is a strong contender.

Kazuha Toyama - Proficient in Aikido. The softest of the martial arts of the characters. Her abilities have been shown to be effective. Aikido is a fantastic defensive martial art. However lack of real world experience and lack of showing of her abilities make it difficult to put her in the running for best fighter. Perhaps she could become a contender with experience.

Makoto Kyogoku - Same as Ran likely. However, unlike Ran seems to keep a cooler head and not let his emotions get the better of him in life threatening situations. He is undefeated in the ring, and has been shown to be highly effective in real world situations, even taking a knife to his arm and not blinking, to defeat his opponent. However, lack of real world experience is a detriment. He is however in the running due to the aforementioned bout with a criminal. (Also being able to dodge a bullet (not possible, but still worth noting for the purposes of this comparison))

Subaru Okiya - Okiya is Akai, that is pretty apparent now. That means he took FBI hand to hand training. He was considered a top agent and likely had extensive experience all over the world and training in the FBI hand to hand combat techniques from the FBI training facility in Quantico. He is the a top contender for best fighter, due to this, despite not seeing anything first hand.

Masumi Sera - Jeet Kun Do practitioner. Now despite my own feelings about this "martial art" (I won't get into that now as it is irrelevant) it is probably the most effective of the chosen martial arts here. Mainly due to the philosophy of it, which is learn which is effective for you from various other martial arts, and take in what is most effective. Making a custom mixed martial art that accentuates the strengths of the practitioner and limits the weaknesses. Now naturally, if she learned the actual system that Bruce Lee devised, it is far less effective for her, mainly because it was designed for him, or whom he taught. There is only so much you can derive from that. If she took the essence of the system of which Bruce Lee devised it would make her a formidable foe. However, her lack of experience makes her hard to consider for "best." She is probably the best TEENAGED fighter of the bunch, just not overall.

Miwako Sato - Easily the best of the MPD. She has training, and by the looks of it has street fighting experience. While her technique is not perfectly refined, she knows an array of techinques and strikes and is physically strong. She has the experience to back it up as well. Being taught the police hand to hand combat techniques, and from what we have seen, she goes for grappling to subdue (standard police protocol) when possible. Of not she just goes crazy with striking. She has high levels of experience and high levels of training. She is an extremely strong contender.

Black Org Members - Well of the ones we have seen, it is likely that Gin, Bourbon and Vermouth are the most skilled in hand to hand. However, the amount of experience and skill they each have is completely unknown. Gin we know is tough as nails, shooting himself to not succumb to tranqs. Vermouth likely has training as an actress, and Bourbon likely as another top member who is active in the field also has experience. However, the lack of data makes it hard to come to any strict conclusion. It is possible that any of them could be stronger than anyone else.

SO! Overall... The teenagers are all out. Fighting a seasoned fighter would doom them. They couldn't keep up, and likely the more experienced knows what will work and be most effective from first hand experience. So Ran, Kazuha, Makoto and Sera are all not the strongest (Did anyone really expect them to be?)

Next is Kogorou... He has experience and training, but he is likely out of practice. That is the biggest detriment to him. If he was still active in the MPD he would likely be higher up there.

BO are simply too unknown. It is possible, but for the purposes of this, not going to happen. Gin is definitely tough, but does that make him the best fighter? Possible, but I can't say for certain. Vermouth probably has formal training. And Bourbon as well. As they are all close quarter and covert operatives. Meaning they would all need to know how to deal with close quarter combat. Lack of information prevents any significant conclusion though.

Then we finally come to Sato and Okiya. They are about the same in my book. I'd give the edge to Okiya due to rigor of training and international field work which would give him more experience. Also being trained in Quantico probably trumps the training facilities in Japan for the MPD.

So in my opinion Okiya is best fighter in Detective Conan

As usual, perfect analysis Kyuu-san

[Irish4869 0]

On 12/4/2012 at 6:54 AM, Pink Panther said:

On 12/4/2012 at 2:08 PM, CurbsideGirl said:

It's absolutely Ran Mouri.

She has shown like hundreds kicks and jabs from the series.

Well I the 13th Conan movie, when    Ran-san was facing the black organization member Irish, she said to her self, that she can't dodge a bullet from a rifle like Kyogoku-san, but she can dodge bullet from a pistol. That means Makoto-san is actually stronger than her.