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Chekhov MacGuffin    1089

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Please post any theories you have concerning Sera's second oldest brother here. Here is the known information about him and some of the most common theories so far: Akai family's middle brother.

Timeline of Akai family history: http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/forum/topic/4679-masumis-second-oldest-middle-brother/#entry302982

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The brother is probably Haneda Shuukichi 

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. . . "The Wizard"
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AndrewA    5

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Personally I hope it is an existing character because I think the series is already starting to get a bit overloaded with Super Sleuth characters.

 

Consider also the possibility that the sibling could be a half-brother or step sibling, (either to Sera, Akai or both) which could explain lack of shared family names, allow for a less (or no) family resemeblence, and even allow for having grown up in different areas with different accents

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Chekhov MacGuffin    1089

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Requested by Shadow

Edit: Corrections 11-2-2013

?? years ago Shuuichi born.

28-29 years ago middle bro born

16 years ago Masumi is born in Japan and the middle bro is 12 in junior high (US equivalent grades 7-9 in Japan).

??? Sometime after Masumi is conceived, the father dies. (*Clarification. His death anywhere between this and current, although Masumi implies it affected the family names.)

>14-15 years ago Masumi and the middle bro start using the name Sera instead of Akai

14-15 years ago the middle bro enters high school with the family name Sera. Masumi is 2,

11-12 years ago, the middle bro graduated high school and changed his family name from Sera to something else. Masumi is 4-5. (Masumi says all three siblings have different family names. Masumi has "Sera" and Shuuichi has "Akai".)

5-10 years ago, Shuuichi sends Masumi Jeet Kun Do videos. (Masumi is 6-11 elementary school)

5 years ago Akai starts infiltrating the Org. Middle bro is 23-24. Masumi is 11,

4 years ago Masumi starts junior high at 12,

3 years ago Akai family moves to America, Masumi goes to middle school

2 years ago Shuuichi kicked from the Org

Current timeline, Masumi comes back at the age of 16 to Japan

So the middle brother changed his family name before their father died. Why? Was the father doing something that required his family's name to be changed?

This also means that unless Masumi took the family name Sera at a later date than her brother took Sera as his family name, she never personally used the last name Akai.

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Black Demon    466

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Why are you sure their father died before he went to high school? According to my interpretation, it goes like this: Father died -> Last name changed from Akai to Sera -> Graduated middle high school -> Last name changed from Sera to something else. 

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Chekhov MacGuffin    1089

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I make a mistake on the timing. The brother had the name Sera when he was in high school and something else ("Akai?") before.

@Black Demon, I didn't give an upper bound on the father's death, only a lower one: Masumi's conception.

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Glass Heart    34

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  On 11/5/2013 at 1:31 AM, detectiveRJB said:

Shuuichi have a twin brother.it possible?

You might have a point. In fact, I have wondered if Subaru Okiya is still the same person. Ever since Masumi discovered the hair of the wig and the recent presence of Yukiko, I've almost never seen Subaru using his left hand again (except once, for a drink of Bourbon at the end of the camping case). While before, he was always using it.

 

And that's not a question of habit (using a hand for a particular thing) since he even changed the hand he uses to brush his tooths between two similar scenes in volumes 60 and 77. And the way he was holding Masumi in volume 78 is definitely right-handed. I don't think anyone could hold someone with his right shoulder like that if he isn't naturally right-handed.

 

Maybe there are two people posing as Subaru Okiya: the real one (right-handed) and Shuichi Akai (left-handed). When Sonoko thought Subaru might hid something and was proven wrong in volume 77, Subaru was right-handed. While when Haibara tries to see the same thing in the car just one case before, Subaru stopped her with his left hand.

 

Also, when Subaru is clever enough to deduce that Conan is Shinichi Kudo, he is the right-handed one (not Shuichi Akai) which could also explain a few things. It's also the right-handed one who is acquainted with Yukiko, who is in the Belltree Express with her and who is supporting the sleeping Masumi with his right shoulder later (not necessarily meaning he is also the Shuichi Akai who appeared, he might not be).

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PetePete    8

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I think the wizard is of course shinichi, but i think he earned it in the manga version of episode 96

http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/The_Cornered_Famous_Detective!_Two_Big_Murder_Cases

http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/Volume_14#Magician.27s_Suicide_Case

 

There is a lot of unsolved questions in this episode, but in the manga it showed how Ran thought Conan was Shinichi because of the picture of them with kids with the magician right? Sera even hinted she knew him a long time ago, when asked if he liked anyone before the novelist killing. Probably happened when he was younger and did a trick to prove a point and was named the wizard. Plus that episode 96 left a lot of unanswered clues that was unanswered later, like how ran kept her suspicion but let people wondering where the lipstick lips came from on Shinichi's shirt.

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Glass Heart    34

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  On 11/29/2013 at 5:24 AM, ThatLee4 said:

I though this too. But thought that the one on the bell tree is Akai because of what he said to Ai and his intetaction with Yukiko. But they may both be?

The right-handed Okiya could have been playing a role. His intention was to bring Haibara to a certain place and, since she suspects Okiya from being Akai and a BO agent, it was the easiest way.

 

But I think Okiya is now a different person from Akai (with some help from Yukiko). And maybe that's the reason why Conan wanted Ran to stay away from the mansion in the first place.

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Glass Heart    34

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  On 11/29/2013 at 9:12 AM, PetePete said:

I think the wizard is of course shinichi, but i think he earned it in the manga version of episode 96

http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/The_Cornered_Famous_Detective!_Two_Big_Murder_Cases

http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/Volume_14#Magician.27s_Suicide_Case

 

There is a lot of unsolved questions in this episode, but in the manga it showed how Ran thought Conan was Shinichi because of the picture of them with kids with the magician right? Sera even hinted she knew him a long time ago, when asked if he liked anyone before the novelist killing. Probably happened when he was younger and did a trick to prove a point and was named the wizard. Plus that episode 96 left a lot of unanswered clues that was unanswered later, like how ran kept her suspicion but let people wondering where the lipstick lips came from on Shinichi's shirt.

You might have thought about something crucial. I have already thought about Kazumi Sanada, but there was a missing link about his connection with Sera. Now, if I thought about Sanada being the brother, Sera having met Shinichi and Ran somewhere during their childhood (with the magic show of Sanada's future mentor being one of the occasion), Yukiko's connections with the world of magic, the need for "Subaru" to suddenly use Yukiko's talent for disguise, and the definite possibility of Subaru being a different person now (with a different main hand) with the right-handed one discovering Shinichi's true identity and later the brother having trust in Conan, everything makes perfect sense.

 

But that changes a lot of things. Of course, Akai didn't need Yukiko to conceive a disguise he already had. Plus the long dark hair of the wig which didn't connect with Subaru's hair. If we connect everything together, especially the fact that there is a second Subaru Okiya, it is likely the disguise they conceived was not Subaru Okiya (at least, not only) but Shuichi Akai. That would explain why Subaru was right-handed aboard the train despite Akai's appearance: it would have been his brother disguised as him.

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Chekhov MacGuffin    1089

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  On 12/7/2013 at 4:10 AM, Glass Heart said:
Plus the long dark hair of the wig which didn't connect with Subaru's hair.

 

Be careful with assuming the wig hair color was black. It's extremely hard to draw a hair as anything other than a black line in a black and white manga. Remember, shiho's auburn hair was also drawn as a black line as well when Gin held it up. The only thing Sera said about the hair was that it is long and fake, so I think those facts are the only one's it is safe to assume.

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Glass Heart    34

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  On 12/7/2013 at 11:24 PM, Chekhov MacGuffin said:

Be careful with assuming the wig hair color was black. It's extremely hard to draw a hair as anything other than a black line in a black and white manga. Remember, shiho's auburn hair was also drawn as a black line as well when Gin held it up. The only thing Sera said about the hair was that it is long and fake, so I think those facts are the only one's it is safe to assume.

Yes, you're right. I didn't thought about that (I just saw a dark hair, so I assumed it was black).

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MelonyMutou    0

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Okay, this has been eating me like crazy, I've been DYING to discuss my theories with someone so maybe you guys will be my fix.

 

 

Before I start, this is a VERY ROUGH THEORY. I'm absolutely open to arguments in response to it. I'd like to explore ALL of the possibilities myself so if anything doesn't sound quite right to you, PLEASE tell me because I'd like to try and explore those areas myself as well.

 

 

My theories are going to revolve Sera in general and her family - not quite the middle brother part. I apologize for that but the whole thing has been driving me crazy and I NEED to get it off of my chest.

 

 

First of all, I'm at least 80-90% convinced that the new "young" female character introduced in the most recent case file is Sera's Mother.

 

Just think about it for a minute. It would actually completely make sense. They've NEVER introduced any parents for Sera or Shuichi, so that area is covered. It could ALSO explain one of the main reasons Sera has suddenly returned to Japan. Like, are we REALLY believing her excuse that "she just wanted to come back"? Come now, Sera. We're smarter than that. At the VERY least it was to search for Shuichi, but WHAT IF - and just bear with me here - WHAT IF, in searching for her OWN answers, Shuichi/Sera's mother was ALSO fed APTX4869, because the Organization felt she was getting too close??? Gosho HIMSELF said he was going to probably introduce more shrunken characters, and gosh to me it just makes SO MUCH SENSE.

Also, it helps explain even more how Sera seems to be quite sure Conan is Shinichi - it seems certain that they met when he WAS Shinichi, so if she knows about her own mother's predicament, maybe she knows about HIS as well? After seeing him in action a few times, maybe it dawned on her?

Which MAY explain why she's suddenly trying to drop hints about her to Conan. Maybe, after realizing who he was (because she didn't seem to know in the very beginning), and after confirming it somehow TO HERSELF, then telling her mother, they decided to try and start initiating Conan into their own little operation to take down the Organization and find an antidote? Of course, the mother still needs some more goading before trusting him, but it makes sense -- it ALSO explains the whole "Tell him I'm your sister from outside the domain" part, as well. It's possible the Japanese-to-English can't be translated with full understanding, and THAT'S why it sounds weird. Maybe the Japanese word is a bit closer to something that COULD SOUND LIKE 'sister from a different viewpoint' or something of that sort - why say sister unless you ARE actually related? If she's the mother, but SHRUNK, then 'sister' is kind of close, isn't it? and the 'outside the domain' part (in its original Japanese wording) could probably hint toward her situation better.

 

Another little tidbit, Sera said that all three of her and her siblings have different surnames. I don't believe we ever got a FULL reason for this (we got why one of them and herself had different names - she took her mother's maiden name and I believe she said Shuichi took their father's name, but what of the third child?), but that definitely leaves open a lot of speculation.

 

For example, what if the third sibling is actually AMURO? I know that's already a consideration -- but what if the mother IS the shrunken one (BLONDE), and the FATHER has dark skin? Amuro's looks could make sense, in that case. And it could REALLY explain why Shuichi and Amuro HAVE the relationship they do. What if Amuro, the middle child, was born of some sort of affair the mother had with a man in the Organization? Shuichi would PROBABLY BE at odds with a boy that more-or-less ruined his parents' relationship. Evidently it couldn't have been ruined too much, since Sera came along as well - though, Sera has her MOTHER'S name, right? So maybe she had her out of wedlock... Maybe not even with Shuichi's father?? Unless I've read things incorrectly, I don't think Sera ever actually said they had the same fathers, or the same mothers either, for that matter. Was it ever actually fully confirmed that all three siblings had the same parents for certain? It's possible I can't tell because maybe there would be Japanese translation that would make that clear and obviously I read the English translated version. D=

The only possible issue I see with this theory is age, a little bit. I actually am not entirely sure of Amuro or Shuichi's age, which is why I'd like input on this theory. They'd have to be at least fairly close in age, since they're "rivals" and all, but they'd also have to be far enough apart that their births would make sense - and Shuichi would have to be older, for sure.

Also, the fact that Amuro didn't out his own brother using the name "Moboroshi Dai" with the Organization is definitely a hole in this theory. Maybe he just didn't out his brother because they WERE siblings, or maybe he somehow didn't even recognize it was his brother? But then the whole history thing doesn't work, either. That whole part seems a little bit suspicious, but maybe it COULD BE as simple as not wanting to get family killed, even if you ARE their rival. Some sort of higher, familial standard that Amuro is holding himself to, over the Organization's priorities. Because, surely Amuro would have to know that if his brother was going by an assumed name with the Organization, that he was up to something no good, like trying to infiltrate them for the government?

 

However, thinking about it, it seems more likely to me that Subaru is the second brother. The only issue with that one is that (PRESUMABLY) Shuichi is Subaru. But what if Shuichi is simply disguising as Subaru on occasion, to keep himself hidden? Working with his brother to stay anonymous? They HAVE shown Subaru, ONE TIME, without a turtle neck or scarf when he was brushing his teeth and Ran and Sonoko walked in on him in Shinichi's house. Implying that, at least at that time, he wasn't wearing a mask. I assumed, AT THE TIME, that it was because he had gone to much greater lengths to maintain the disguise, just for that moment, because earlier in that file someone had expressed suspicions BECAUSE he never showed his neck - one of the girls, if I remember correctly - but if THAT was the real Subaru, and if most other times when you've seen him with a scarf or turtle neck, it was Shuichi DISGUISED as Subaru, it could be VERY likely it's because they're siblings and Subaru's looking out for his Oniisan. There was one time where Subaru took off his glasses/opened his eyes and he HAD the Shuichi/Sera eyes, right?? What if that was the REAL Subaru at the time...?

 

Gosho has gone to incredible lengths (only noticable if you really pay attention, though) to specifically keep characters like Haibara away from Amuro, Sera, and Subaru, though, up until recently. AND to keep characters like Sera, Amuro, and Subaru THEMSELVES apart as well. You've never REALLY seen any of the three together at one time, there WAS a case where they crossed paths - that would be when Sera was riding her motorcycle and used it to stop a culprit(if I remember that right, it's been a while), where all three of them kind of saw each other and ALL THREE of them got onto phones almost immediately. If, in Sera's case, it was because she recognized one as her brother and was maybe calling her mother to confirm, that would be quite interesting in itself. Of course, for Amuro it could simply be that he spotted Sera and recognized the eyes, knew it was Shuichi's little sister and called Vermouth to tell HER. And then, Subaru himself doesn't need much explaining because we're already at least half-sure of his identity. Assuming he's not JUST Shuichi -- because I think we're all pretty sure of that so far.

 

Then there's James Black. I think most people have forgotten about this, but he RECOGNIZED Sera when Jodie showed him a picture. Now. Maybe we can just brush that off as the fact that, crap, he's FBI, and Sera's probably been involved in a LOT of cases in America with HER skills, so maybe he just recognizes her from there? But, come on, has Gosho ever made it THAT simple?

As an INCREDIBLY wild theory - that's ALL this is, a kind of 'wouldn't that be freakin' crazy and just like Gosho' kind of theory - what if James is actually the FATHER of one or two of the three siblings? Sera simply got her eyes from the mother (the little sickly blonde girl, in my opinion). I can't remember if it was ever impled James had a family, but even assuming it WAS somewhere, couldn't he just be lying to try and protect the mother, Sera, and her two brothers? If the Amuro-being-middle-child theory is correct, it could imply something like maybe he's Sera's father, and Sera was born out of wedlock. Or hell, the Amuro-middle-child theory doesn't even have to be correct for that to work, really. Anything could've happened to make the three children with different fathers.

 

And then, in an even WILDER theory, what if Amuro is James' son? And James is actually Black Organization? 8D But honestly that one's an INCREDIBLY wild theory and I don't have much faith in it at all xD;

 

Or hell, maybe James just knew Sera's father, because he was FBI, and maybe he diiied and that's why Shuichi himself went after the Organization?? Because the father was killed by them?? OoooooOoo 8D (again, another of the more wild theories, but at least this one is more probable!)

 

 

Last but not least, just as a little add-on that doesn't have much to do with Sera and her family, I'm quite convinced at this point that APTX4869 is supposed to be a youth serum. D< I'm super behind this theory - though I honestly only have vague proof to back it up Dx.

 

SOO sorry for the super long post. I hope I didn't put anyone off .__.UU i had a lot to present!!

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  On 12/19/2013 at 10:29 PM, PetePete said:

Subaru didn't talk with his turtle neck out because maybe its a voice changer?

I don't really think we should be assuming anyone other than Hakase has the ability to create a voice-changer Dx. I think, if that were the case, we'd be hinted about it somewhere. And assuming it is, even CONAN has to keep his in front of his mouth - how is it changed when it's all the way down there at his neck?

I buy more that it's because it was a different person at the time. Or Gosho made us want to THINK it was a different person. I mean, he did have a toothbrush in his mouth xD;

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Do you remember Heiji dressing up as Shinichi for the Halloween costume party? Do you remember how they made his voice change with Heiji's tie? Same could be done with his turtle neck? Or something hidden below it?

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I believe Conan voice his own conversation through Heiji microphone (Conan has the mask himself). It has been setup in desperate revival arc that Heiji cannot speak in Tokyo dialect (Voice changing or not). IIRC Heiji seem to avoid speaking if unnecessary before he rip his mask off. How Conan manage to do that while sitting beside Jodie, convince her he is Haibara, is another matter.

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MelonyMutou    0

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  On 12/20/2013 at 12:55 PM, PetePete said:

Do you remember Heiji dressing up as Shinichi for the Halloween costume party? Do you remember how they made his voice change with Heiji's tie? Same could be done with his turtle neck? Or something hidden below it?

 

Yes but see, that wasn't 'Heiji using a voice changer' that was Conan speaking through a microphone, like User 4869 said, it's been established rather clearly that Heiji is unable to speak with a Tokyo dialect, meaning there's no way he could JUST use a voice changer when disguising as Shinichi - he's just not capable of such a feat.

 

So the only way what you said would work is if someone ELSE was speaking for him whenever he wears the scarf -- though to be fair, he doesn't ALWAYS wear a scarf, he wears plain turtle necks, too. Anything to hide his neck, not JUST scarves. I can't see a turtle neck working as well for something like that.

 

Though I do admit it kind of IS possible for someone to be speaking FOR HIM all the time - I just see it as incredibly unlikely and inconvenient. Why not just disguise yourself as the person you're using a voice for and go out for them, letting THEM stay hidden while you contact them for help on cases or information or whatever you need? Or, hell, if someone else is disguising AS Okiya and Okiya is a person of his own, and Okiya is the one providing his own voice, that seems FAR more dangerous that they're letting a person go out DISGUISED AS HIM, where he could be found out if his disguise is compromised - it would make more sense if Okiya himself was the one who left the house and simply contacted the other person that is currently disguising as him.

 

There is also the possibility that Hakase made Okiya his voice changer - but the ONLY reason why I dismiss this idea is because Okiya showed up and was using that voice from the very beginning, before beginning to stay next door to Hakase, at Shinichi's house, and maybe even before Conan realized who he was - I still can't fully tell if Conan realized he was Shuichi from the beginning. It's entirely possible he did, but if he didn't, it would make it even harder for him to have helped Okiya/Shuichi come up with a voice-changer of some sort. Really it just seems unlikely because Okiya would have needed it from the very beginning.

 

And, for that last part of User 4869's post there, Conan was actually not sitting beside Jodie, he was inside the vehicle and could have spoken quietly behind the mask during the whole deduction show - they were very careful to make sure Conan-Haibara was definitely off-screen while the deduction show was happening. There were a few times where he seemed to kind of be mumbling to himself, too even. When he'd cough discreetly - they kind of hinted once too when they had 'Haibara' cough and then changed scene to 'Shinichi' coughing as well xD;

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  On 12/20/2013 at 10:49 PM, MelonyMutou said:
There is also the possibility that Hakase made Okiya his voice changer - but the ONLY reason why I dismiss this idea is because Okiya showed up and was using that voice from the very beginning, before beginning to stay next door to Hakase, at Shinichi's house, and maybe even before Conan realized who he was - I still can't fully tell if Conan realized he was Shuichi from the beginning. It's entirely possible he did, but if he didn't, it would make it even harder for him to have helped Okiya/Shuichi come up with a voice-changer of some sort. Really it just seems unlikely because Okiya would have needed it from the very beginning.

 

I've found some new insight on this issue, and I'd like to edit myself to make up for it.

 

After some reanalyzation of the Faked Shuichi Death on my part, honestly I should have thought about it more in-depth sooner, I've decided that it actually WOULD make sense if Shuichi had a Hakase-made voice changer as Okiya. My reasoning for this is as follows:

 

If Conan was fully involved in Shuichi's-Faked-Death (which more than likely he was, really he's too bright NOT to be), it's very likely, that when Shuichi went underground, that Conan sent him to Yuukikou for disguising. He probably even told him something like, "When you and I run into each other again sometime (accidentally, or on-purpose randomly), quote this specific line from Sherlock Holmes, OR proclaim yourself as a vigorous Holmes fan, OR just talk my ear off about Holmes in general, and I'll know it's you." Though we've never SEEN a scene like this of course so we can't be sure, but if I remember virtually the first thing Okiya said to Conan was a Holmes quote. If this is all how it played out, then it stands to reason that, Shuichi, in going to Yuukikou for his disguise, was able to obtain some sort of voice-changer because Yuukikou could most definitely get something of that sort from Hakase, whether she snagged it or commissioned it. Hell, she might even HAVE ONE OF HER OWN that she had already asked Hakase to build for her so SHE could disguise HERSELF better out in public!

 

So with all of this in mind, it means that the scene where Okiya is seen in the bathroom COULD simply be to point out to us that he can't talk without his scarf/turtlenecks because they hide a voice-changer.

 

Even with THAT in mind, it still doesn't change the fact that Okiya COULD be two people - actual Okiya Subaru and Shuichi. Shuichi could be using voice changers STILL, and when Okiya is himself, he keeps wearing the scarves and turtle necks to keep up appearances. Or, Shuichi, as Okiya, could be wearing a speaker that goes to the REAL Okiya who talks for him, not unlike the Halloween Party case.

Really I don't see at least the speaker one as likely, because that's incredibly inconvenient and rather dangerous, because if Shuichi ever got disconnected from the real Okiya, he'd be in big trouble.

 

This brings to mind that, in leu of all of this, who was the Okiya in the bathroom? Shuichi or Real-Okiya? If it was Real Okiya, why not just actually talk? Possibly just because he had a toothbrush in his mouth and it IS rude. But if it's Shuichi, then it's because he can't. More than likely the former is the case, because we've never had Gosho input something like that unless it WAS somehow actually relevant, somehow a clue.

 

Though it certainly leaves open that Shuichi really is the only Okiya - for a while I had thought Shuichi was just changing his voice on his own, but if he's using a voice changer it DOES make far more sense. But again, even if he IS using a voice changer, that still does not necessarily rule out that there IS a second, real Okiya.

 

The thing is, there IS the fact that Okiya has reportedly changed his handedness as we've seen him. It's possible this is because there are two Okiya's - and obviously, that's the most probable scenario. For one, I would imagine Shuichi wouldn't be stupid enough to ACCIDENTALLY be using the wrong hand repeatedly. He's reportedly left-handed, so that means he's accidentally USING his left hand here or there - because I'd imagine he'd pretend to be right-handed as Okiya, or at least try to be -- especially if Okiya is a real person and he's just DISGUISING as Okiya, who is, in fact, right-handed -- there's NO WAY he'd screw up pretending to be someone else. He's just not that kind of person - he's hailed at Shinichi's intellect/observational level if not higher because of his age, and Shinichi would NEVER make that mistake - plus, it would be incredibly important to be astute about a thing like that. Though if all of this is the case, you know, I'd HOPE that if Shuichi is pretending to be Okiya, that they would both WORK TOGETHER to use the same hand, to keep the proper image. But maybe Gosho simply uses the handedness thing to try and give us another clue, despite the fact the two men should work together to be really careful about making a mistake as simple as using the wrong hand, or MAYBE Gosho's just screwing with us with the whole handedness thing in the first place, trying to make it SEEM LIKE Okiya IS actually two people when he's not - I could really kind of see Gosho doing something like that, and also, manga artists and their assistants HAVE been known to make mistakes in panels too - though usually Gosho is really good about not making THAT kind of mistake. Secondly, maybe Shuichi is actually just ambidextrous, in which case, the whole handedness "clue" doesn't even matter, but it WAS basically shown to us that Shuichi, AT THE VERY LEAST, uses his left hand as his MAIN hand.

 

Or Gosho could just be screwing with us entirely, and all of these heavy implications that Shuichi IS Okiya are a bunch of smoke and mirrors, and Shuichi actually ISN'T Okiya xD. I find this incredibly unlikely, don't get me wrong, but wouldn't it be amazing if Gosho pulled that on us? I mean, there really was barely any indication that 'Haibara' was actually Conan in the Halloween Party case, so Gosho pulling something like that is totally not out of the question.

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I really find it very unlikely to have  2 Okiya,for  me all the clues showed that Okiya is Akai and nobody else.Haibara senses that he's Akai.

As for the second brother maybe we'll get some clues after the Shinichi flashback case.

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