[SPOILER DISCUSSION] File 869-871 (A Missing Item)

[Black Demon 466]

THIS THREAD is used to discuss about SPOILERS. In other words, if you only read the English version and wish to wait for the official release instead of getting spoiled, this is NOT the right place for you!
 
RULES OF THE SPOILER-ONLY DISCUSSION THREAD:
 
1. Any kind of spoiler involving the case (pictures, texts, information, full scans...) of any language that is released before the actual English version must be posted HERE. The English translations of the spoilers must also be posted here. Please DO NOT share them at the thread made for English-files readers only, in ANY form (NOT even in spoiler boxes).
 
2. Any kind of discussion involving the spoilers must be posted HERE. Please DO NOT reveal, give hints or talk about any information or event (that has not yet happened in the English releases) at the thread made for English-files readers only, in ANY form (NOT even in spoiler boxes).
 
3. Despite being a Spoiler-only thread, EVERY spoiler and discussion involving events that has not yet happened in the English releases STILL has to be put inside Spoiler boxes. When the mentioned file is officially released in English, this is not necessary anymore.
 
4. NO DIRECT LINK to Original Japanese scans (RAWs) or to ANY English manga scan because we don't want to have any problem with lawyers. (Japanese spoiler pictures are allowed as long as the amount and quality of which are very very far away from a full scan, like the ones we usually have).
 
Q&A:

1. Why is this whole thing necessary?
A: Please click here.
 
2. Why do I still have to use Spoiler boxes here?
A: In case some member (who only follows the English files) get confused, misclick, or just simply get in the wrong thread... etc., this rule is made NOT to let spoilers get revealed to them. And since this is quite complicated, confusions are unavoidable, especially for new members.
 
3. How do I use Spoiler boxes anyway?
A: Just simply type the following:

[spoiler]Text you want to write[/spoiler]

Or more manually:
Step 1: Click the "Special BBCode" icon at the upper-left side of the edit toolbar.

 
Step 2: In BBCode, select "Spoiler".

 
Step 3: Enter the text that you want to put inside Spoiler boxes, then click OK.

 
4. If the spoiler is not obvious enough to viewers (e.g. one must click a link in order to see it), do I have to use Spoiler boxes?
A: No, using link addresses is also a hiding method. Again the purpose of this is just to protect the spoilers and info. from being viewed by members who do not want to see them (but get in here by accident). However, you should STATE CLEARLY that it's a spoiler, just to make sure.
 
5. Can I join the discussion in the other thread as well?
A: Of course you can. HOWEVER, as mentioned in the rules above, you MUST NOT reveal, give hints or talk about ANYTHING that spoils.
 
6. Who are you anyway? Why do we have to follow YOUR rules?
A: Not mine. Chek suggested that it should be this way. Also, the person who create the threads must write the rules clearly on the very first post from now on, whether they want it or not; this applies to every member (not only me).

 
ANYWAY, everyone should read this whole post carefully before posting or viewing anything. If you are mistaken for not paying attention to it, the creator of the thread, the moderators and every other forum members will NOT take any responsibility.
 

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[Black Demon 466]

870 Chinese: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2550031486

[Chekhov MacGuffin 1089]

Well first things first, Takagi thinks Sato missed her period and thus is pregnant. This being Sato, obviously she is talking about something else missing, maybe the ring Takagi gave her in an earlier file? (It's missing from her left hand. Maybe the size was too big for her?) Also this pretty much confirms Sato and Takagi have made it to home base, because Takagi is sure the kid is his. If he hadn't gone that far with her, he would have reacted like WHO TOOK SATO FROM ME AND KNOCKED HER UP?

The hanakotoba for false dragonhead flowers is fulfillment of desire, achievement.

It seems that Toshinari's sister probably died after panicking about her stalker, that dead guy next door. Mr. Creeper almost certainly took those pictures where she isn't looking at the camera. To hide that Mr. Creeper stalked his sister (and thus the motive for murdering the guy), Toshinari took the creepshots and replaced them with the dead man's own pictures of himself, but didn't align them perfectly to the sun-faded borders. The creepshots were put in Toshinari's album; they are the pictures with the holes that used to be pinned to the board.

Toshinari's MO was to probably stalk the stalker, and move into the apartment to get a shot at revenge. He's rich enough to get an apartment like that, but he obviously hasn't lived in it much since it's so barren and full of instant food and missing basic necessities like cleaning supplies. Ten bets the kid is going to be his alibi. I bet Toshinari put the fulfillment of desire flowers by where his sister died after successfully killing the stalker (he's been dead for a while if he is stinking).

[ALAKTORN 170]

^wow, that’s a great deduction

[ALAKTORN 170]

should we be surprised that DC runs on real-world time? they say it’s August 14th in the latest chapter, lol

in the last page Conan says the guy “twisted time” (and the boy’s thoughts) to make an alibi trick, and he somehow figured that out by noticing that the April 12th newspaper is missing from the trash (11, 13 (murder day) and 14 (current day) being there)

I guess I could think of multiple ways of how he did it, but the problem is the fact that he appeared on surveillance cameras at 6 pm of the murder day, and from then on the boy made quite certain that they were together… unless I misunderstood something from the Japanese

edit: I forgot to consider the fact that he placed the flowers there after the murder as per Chekhov’s deduction while reading, but I don’t feel like reading it again with that in mind…

oh, and about Satō/Takagi:

the misunderstanding hasn’t been cleared in the latest chapter yet, at one point I was hoping Satō was really pregnant but they make you understand she’s not