Aniki01 0 Report post Posted February 21, 2016 Reveal hidden contents Has anyone considered the possibility that Haneda Kohji, not Asaca, was Amanda's killer? I have a feeling that Amanda may have been cooperating with the BO (at least in her final years) and hence why she hired Asaca (and Asaca agreed) to become her bodyguard. I can't think of any other reason as to why Amanda would hire Asaca, since she must have had very close links with the BO in order to even be in a position to see Asaca in the first place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patronus Charm 53 Report post Posted February 21, 2016 On 2/21/2016 at 7:58 PM, DCUniverseAficionado said: Reveal hidden contents It's probably not even a real name. If it is a woman, then I don't know about which recurring character she could be... well, except for the possibility of being Vermouth, of course. Reveal hidden contents Regardless of whether or not it is an alias, I'm pretty sure we can still have a good guess on Asaka's gender given that it's in Japanese format. Unless it's someone in disguise...again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted February 21, 2016 Regardless of whether it is a fake name or not, "Asaka" could be either a given name or a family name. If it is a given name, then the person would be female, because its a female given name however if its a family name then the person could be either male or female. In the Japanese file the name "Asaka" is written in quotes each time it shows up in 948 with the exception of where its written on the computer screen. There is no way to actually tell whether its the given or family name of the person at this point because we don't know what Amanda would have known about the person In Japan it would be more likely to call the person by their family name, but in America sometimes employers can get away with calling the people they employ by their given names additionally, since Gosho watches a lot of movies, he may be going with the employer giving the bodyguard a nickname You often see in movies where guards have funny (or even ironic) nicknames based on their attributes http://blog-imgs-86.fc2.com/n/a/g/nagarebosihosihosi/016.jpg 「浅香」 http://blog-imgs-86.fc2.com/n/a/g/nagarebosihosihosi/002.jpg 「浅香」 and 浅香 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patronus Charm 53 Report post Posted February 22, 2016 It appears that「浅」means light or shallow or it could also mean disgraceful as in 浅ましい (Asamashii). 「香」basically means scent or fragrance as in 香り... Not sure where I'm going with this but given the meaning of his/her name, I think Asaka is probably not a nickname given by Amanda but it still depends on her knowledge of the language, noting that she's most likely non-Japanese who is a fan Kohji Haneda either through chess or shogi. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EthanHunter 7 Report post Posted February 22, 2016 Omg so much has happened in the past few weeks! Let's hope movie 20 sheds more light on the subject Though 99% it will be completely non-canon. Could anyone please tell me which file did these developments start? 947? I wish I catch up by end of this week Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted February 22, 2016 On 2/22/2016 at 5:03 AM, EthanHunter said: Could anyone please tell me which file did these developments start? 947? I wish I catch up by end of this week Depends on where you left off Being a bit vague intentionally 945 - Deveolpment on Yumi x Shuukichi 946 - Case discussion 947 - more Development and intro of "Haneda Koji" 948 - learning a little about Koji's final day + Okiya + similar circumstances case 949 - Case discussion 950 - Case solution and further look into Koji's final day Break during week of Feb 29th Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rohan136 1 Report post Posted February 22, 2016 I have two contrasting theories: Reveal hidden contents The message Kouji left may be for Asaca, telling him/her about the one responsible for his death... Reveal hidden contents The murder is committed by Asaca, and Rum is the one who left the message for Asaca, warning him/her by saying, "I, Rum am the one who killed Kouji, you are next..." XD highly unlikely theory this one though There's still another question that's left unanswered - Why would BO, who is so meticulous and RUM (who is most probably the one responsible for Kouji's death is the second most important member) should have understood the code, or at least should have destroyed it. The rooms being shabby, too many clues left unattended to, and the fact that someone is safely able to upload information regarding the case without being targeted by BO....This murder may not be committed by BO at all or may be staged by BO to pass the blame to someone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heliotropic 139 Report post Posted February 22, 2016 File 950 baidu File 950 imgur Reveal hidden contents It does look like Akai's new car is a Mustang, so I guess it's not just limited to the movies. I'm also curious to see what Camel's role in all of this was... It just seems a bit out of place at the moment. Maybe we'll find out next case, since it seems like it'll be following this one up and not going off on a tangent. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uchiha Shadow 44 Report post Posted February 22, 2016 Reveal hidden contents I like how Akai just opened his eye casually in front of the police, makes me think if he actually did it before and we're just seeing it now. And that last part was just hype. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chekhov MacGuffin 1089 Report post Posted February 22, 2016 On 2/21/2016 at 8:28 PM, Aniki01 said: Has anyone considered the possibility that Haneda Kohji, not Asaca, was Amanda's killer? I have a feeling that Amanda may have been cooperating with the BO (at least in her final years) and hence why she hired Asaca (and Asaca agreed) to become her bodyguard. I can't think of any other reason as to why Amanda would hire Asaca, since she must have had very close links with the BO in order to even be in a position to see Asaca in the first place. I don't know about that theory, but I think there is more to the Kohji case since both sets of rooms were left in disarray -- something Haibara explicitly notes as not the BO's modus. Kohji even had time to leave a fairly elaborate dying message (breaking the mirror properly) even though APTX 4869 appears to be extraordinarily crippling very quickly. Yet if Rum is number two we should expect him to know how to play by the book right? Or did someone else rip through the rooms after the assassinations? Between this and Kuroda's oddly elaborate backstory and Akai's father's death, it seems there is a lot of set-up going on without answers yet. Rum looks like a lighter-skinned Takuya Mifune. I still think Rum is male per the codename rule. On 2/22/2016 at 5:24 PM, Uchiha Shadow said: I like how Akai just opened his eye casually in front of the police, makes me think if he actually did it before and we're just seeing it now. And that last part was just hype. There have been almost no instances of scary shiny glasses since the reveal. Akai opening his eyes is what the glasses were hiding previously. /two cents 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uncle Sporkums 123 Report post Posted February 22, 2016 On 2/22/2016 at 7:41 PM, Chekhov MacGuffin said: Rum looks like a lighter-skinned Takuya Mifune. I still think Rum is male per the codename rule. Reveal hidden contents Chek, are you making a "If this is Rum, she looks like.." statement, or a "Rum is dressed in drag here" type one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EthanHunter 7 Report post Posted February 23, 2016 Finally I'm caught up! Awesome! Wow I love it when Okiya and Conan work together, I like Okiya even more than Akai(even though they are the same lol)... guess because Okiya has always had this mystery factor to him. Nice last panel, looked very cool And as usual Gosho trolled us He made them realize the code and hurry back to their homes so that they don't discuss what they said they would after the case ends, keep it up Gosho! My opinion: I don't think Asaka is Rum, I highly doubt the #2 of BO would work as a body guard. Also as is obvious I also have suspicions about why the crime scenes were so messy since we suppose the BO did it. And of course there is this suspicious guy uploading information without the BO raising an eyebrow. Assuming the guy is close to Koji, who could he/she be then? Oh and not to forget Akai's mention of his dad, so his dad wasn't in the FBI, so what on earth? I have a kind of semi-theory, what do you think about the Akai parents being ex-BO members, and maybe even Koji being one of them? Obviously we know even celebrities like Koji could be members since Vermouth is also a celebrity. It would also make sense since Akai's supposed aunt was Elena, though I admit this theory is highly unlikely. PS: Could Asaka still be alive and be the one who uploads info? She could have been framed after all. I think a reason to that could be that we "remove" ASACA from the code to get RUM, the apparent reason is that Asaka is rum, but another way to look at it is that the message says "Asaka was framed, it was RUM". I really hope Conan and Akai talk more about this stuff soon 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aries Bless 18 Report post Posted February 23, 2016 Koji's death was 17 years ago, maybe Rum had got himself promoted to number #2 or something during all these years. But if Asaka is Rum, do you think that FBI would take contact to Amanda's relatives and friends to see if they knew is Asaka had a fake eye or something like that back then? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uchiha Shadow 44 Report post Posted February 23, 2016 Reveal hidden contents If Asaka is RUM, does that mean that Amanda was an important enough person that the second in command had to step in? Or was he simply not that high ranked back then? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shreevatsa 14 Report post Posted February 23, 2016 Reveal hidden contents Asaka must be Rum, See page 15 "ASACA" Asaka at bottom of Akai's tablet, or it might be the red-herring as well. In Japanese K & C are interchangeable since they sound just the same, Asaka could be written in katakana as アサカ which in turn can be romanized as ASACA, BTW since Aoyama-sensei is a old-school mecha fan, & considering his usual character naming pattern (GUNDAM), ASAKA / ASACA might be derived from Asuka Langley (EVANGELION) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Serinox 127 Report post Posted February 23, 2016 On 2/23/2016 at 12:47 PM, Shreevatsa said: Reveal hidden contents Asaka must be Rum, See page 15 "ASACA" Asaka at bottom of Akai's tablet, or it might be the red-herring as well. In Japanese K & C are interchangeable since they sound just the same, Asaka could be written in katakana as アサカ which in turn can be romanized as ASACA, BTW since Aoyama-sensei is a old-school mecha fan, & considering his usual character naming pattern (GUNDAM), ASAKA / ASACA might be derived from Asuka Langley (EVANGELION) Reveal hidden contents That's literally the dying message though and not some hidden meaning, they are explaining exactly what you said with the C/K interchangeability. Doesn't mean that Asaka is Rum though; since you have to remove the letters for the name Asaka to get Rum, it might be a hint that Asaka is not Rum. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aniki01 0 Report post Posted February 23, 2016 Reveal hidden contents I just thought of an interesting theory. The one feature of Rum that we can almost fully confirm is his/her artificial eye. Perhaps it was during Asaca's struggle with Kohji that Asaca lost an eye? After all, Haneda was holding scissors in his palm, what if he used those scissors to cut his/her eye? That would also explain why the tap water was left on, as Asaca wanted to remove the blood stains, and it would also explain why the room was in such a messy state as Asaca was too concerned with their eye being injured to take care of the scene. However, one thing I am unable to explain is why Amanda's room was in a similar state too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Serinox 127 Report post Posted February 23, 2016 On 2/23/2016 at 3:53 PM, Aniki01 said: Reveal hidden contents I just thought of an interesting theory. The one feature of Rum that we can almost fully confirm is his/her artificial eye. Perhaps it was during Asaca's struggle with Kohji that Asaca lost an eye? After all, Haneda was holding scissors in his palm, what if he used those scissors to cut his/her eye? That would also explain why the tap water was left on, as Asaca wanted to remove the blood stains, and it would also explain why the room was in such a messy state as Asaca was too concerned with their eye being injured to take care of the scene. However, one thing I am unable to explain is why Amanda's room was in a similar state too. Amanda's room was fully intact, it being messed up too is a translation error in the English scan. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DCUniverseAficionado 252 Report post Posted February 23, 2016 On 2/22/2016 at 7:41 PM, Chekhov MacGuffin said: If Rum is number two we should expect him to know how to play by the book right? Or did someone else rip through the rooms after the assassinations? Between this and Kuroda's oddly elaborate backstory and Akai's father's death, it seems there is a lot of set-up going on without answers yet. Reveal hidden contents Depends if Asaka is Rum or not—and we also don't know if the one who first discovered Koji dead called the police or not, and, even if they did, whether or not they interfered with the room in some way. It's by no means solid, but I can't help but think that post-coma Hyoue is really Shuichi's father. On 2/22/2016 at 7:41 PM, Chekhov MacGuffin said: Rum looks like a lighter-skinned Takuya Mifune. I still think Rum is male per the codename rule. Reveal hidden contents Asaka certainly does. But isn't it too early to conclude whether Asaka is Rum or not? On 2/22/2016 at 7:41 PM, Chekhov MacGuffin said: There have been almost no instances of scary shiny glasses since the reveal. Akai opening his eyes is what the glasses were hiding previously. /two cents Reveal hidden contents Those were my thoughts, as well. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uchiha Shadow 44 Report post Posted February 23, 2016 On 2/23/2016 at 3:53 PM, Aniki01 said: Reveal hidden contents I just thought of an interesting theory. The one feature of Rum that we can almost fully confirm is his/her artificial eye. Perhaps it was during Asaca's struggle with Kohji that Asaca lost an eye? After all, Haneda was holding scissors in his palm, what if he used those scissors to cut his/her eye? That would also explain why the tap water was left on, as Asaca wanted to remove the blood stains, and it would also explain why the room was in such a messy state as Asaca was too concerned with their eye being injured to take care of the scene. However, one thing I am unable to explain is why Amanda's room was in a similar state too. Reveal hidden contents I think it's a pretty neat theory, too bad we don't have enough information to back it up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guptaarchit023 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2016 In the Wiki it is written that Fusae Campbell in background is included in the volume 90 i.e. in this case . But where is she mentioned? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Demon 466 Report post Posted February 24, 2016 On 2/24/2016 at 8:19 AM, guptaarchit023 said: In the Wiki it is written that Fusae Campbell in background is included in the volume 90 i.e. in this case . But where is she mentioned? She appears in background in 950. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aniki01 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2016 On 2/23/2016 at 4:29 PM, Serinox said: Amanda's room was fully intact, it being messed up too is a translation error in the English scan. In that case, is there any indication of the taps in either room being left on in the Japanese version? I think that's an important piece of information that I'm unclear about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Demon 466 Report post Posted February 24, 2016 There is. But by the dialogue alone, it's unclear which room's water was left on, as Conan didn't give us a name. Haibara's previous line right before that was mentioning Amanda's room though. Reveal hidden contents Speaking of which, we still don't have the answer for the person who shared all these information about Kohji's case on the Internet in the first place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uchiha Shadow 44 Report post Posted February 24, 2016 On 2/24/2016 at 9:04 AM, The Black Demon said: She appears in background in 950. You're back! It's been a while. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
