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No one else wonders why father Akai would send his family to Japan, if he is involved somehow with BO he would know that they operate also in Japan. So why would he send them there, or is the BO originally foreign, perhaps he thought they wouldn't look for his family in their field of operation..

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  On 9/19/2016 at 5:18 PM, Shinan-Kudogawa said:

No one else wonders why father Akai would send his family to Japan, if he is involved somehow with BO he would know that they operate also in Japan. So why would he send them there, or is the BO originally foreign, perhaps he thought they wouldn't look for his family in their field of operation..

 

That's extremely unlikely.

 

Would Mr. Akai know that these "horrible people" are based in Japan? We don't know. All we know is that he ended up apparently being killed by the BO because he got involved in a murder case of a Japanese man and an American investor on U.S. soil. We don't know if Mr. Akai was from a government agency, or if he was something like a private detective.

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  On 9/19/2016 at 6:15 PM, Jimmy-kud0-tv2 said:

We don't know what the Akai dad knew. If he only encountered them in the US, and the family was known to live in the UK, then maybe he thought Japan was a safe place. 

 

Of course, this would fly in the face of the theory that Mr. Akai was involved with the BO beyond the murder of Koji Haneda and Amanda Hughes... and especially would fly in the face of the theory that he was a BO agent, himself (and fly even more so in the face of the theory that he's Rum).

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  On 9/19/2016 at 6:20 PM, DCUniverseAficionado said:

 

Of course, this would fly in the face of the theory that Mr. Akai was involved with the BO beyond the murder of Koji Haneda and Amanda Hughes... and especially would fly in the face of the theory that he was a BO agent, himself (and fly even more so in the face of the theory that he's Rum).

 

according to the message he sent he "made enemies with some really horrible people", that statement doesn't actually contradict the idea that he was once one of them. For example Sherry was once one of them and now is essentially enemies with them and on the run. 

 

With the idea that he can't see his family, but also that his body was not found after all of these years, leads to the idea that he might be different than he was, for example ATPX causing him to shrink. OR, he could be pulling the same thing that Haibara was trying to pull all the time about being separate from the ones he loves in order for them to not be in danger, and / or trying to kill himself to keep them out of danger. That begs the question however of where he went (and that theory of him being Kuroda or something). 

 

As for being Rum, i really doubt it at this point. Are people liking the idea that Rum could be a spy and / or member that has left the org by making enemies with them??

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  On 9/20/2016 at 5:02 AM, Jimmy-kud0-tv2 said:

according to the message he sent he "made enemies with some really horrible people", that statement doesn't actually contradict the idea that he was once one of them. For example Sherry was once one of them and now is essentially enemies with them and on the run. 

 

With the idea that he can't see his family, but also that his body was not found after all of these years, leads to the idea that he might be different than he was, for example ATPX causing him to shrink. OR, he could be pulling the same thing that Haibara was trying to pull all the time about being separate from the ones he loves in order for them to not be in danger, and / or trying to kill himself to keep them out of danger. That begs the question however of where he went (and that theory of him being Kuroda or something). 

 

As for being Rum, i really doubt it at this point. Are people liking the idea that Rum could be a spy and / or member that has left the org by making enemies with them??

 

All this depends on whether he was involved with the BO before the murders of Koji Haneda and Amanda Hughes, or that case was what got him involved.

 

We still don't know the specifics of the accident that put Hyoue in a coma (at this point, there are two theories for how Rum lost one of his eyes—one, Koji Haneda gouged one of Rum's eyes out with the scissors he also used to make his dying message, or two, Rum lost one of his eyes in the accident that put Hyoue in a coma). And the  hair color change and apparent memory loss?

 

I doubt that either or both of these suspicious points are just going to be revealed to be throwaway lines to mislead us—at least one, I think, will play a role, later on.

 

At this point, does it matter whether people like it or not? People didn't like the idea of Rei/Tooru being a NOC. Because of the Bourbon arc, some now think that Gosho will go with the theory they don't like, and/or he will poorly execute either the theory they don't like, or even the theory they do like.

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  On 9/20/2016 at 7:36 AM, DCUniverseAficionado said:

 

All this depends on whether he was involved with the BO before the murders of Koji Haneda and Amanda Hughes, or that case was what got him involved.

 

We still don't know the specifics of the accident that put Hyoue in a coma (at this point, there are two theories for how Rum lost one of his eyes—one, Koji Haneda gouged one of Rum's eyes out with the scissors he also used to make his dying message, or two, Rum lost one of his eyes in the accident that put Hyoue in a coma). And the  hair color change and apparent memory loss?

 

I doubt that either or both of these suspicious points are just going to be revealed to be throwaway lines to mislead us—at least one, I think, will play a role, later on.

 

At this point, does it matter whether people like it or not? People didn't like the idea of Rei/Tooru being a NOC. Because of the Bourbon arc, some now think that Gosho will go with the theory they don't like, and/or he will poorly execute either the theory they don't like, or even the theory they do like.

 

Nothing in my post changes whether he was involved with them before or after. For what ever reason, the BO began to target him, making them enemies. We know that he didn't go back to his family and that they needed to flee from the place where they were staying before the message. He either knew he would die soon, didn't want to put his family in danger with his presence, or was unable to go back for some reason. 

 

As for the timing of Kuroda's coma, all we know is that he was supposedly unconscious for 10 years. As for when that started or ended, we don't know.

If Kuroda was still himself and a real person, and was present at the Kouji event and lost his eye there and went into a coma,then he would have been awake from his coma for 7 years already. If that were true then the Nagano trio would probably have less information and the potential of memory returning (assuming its not permanent) would be rather high. 

If Kuroda was himself and lost his eye some other way, then for all we know, those lines about hair color and memory loss could serve some other purpose in the series. 

If Kuroda was a fake person and disguise for someone else then for all we know, the eye damage might not even be real, but just part of a mask. The memory loss would just be to make up for the lack of knowledge. In this case, the timing of the coma starting might not even matter unless Kuroda himself was a relevant person before his identity was stolen by someone else, should that person be Papa Akai or Rum. 

 

I wasn't saying that liking that idea was a bad thing, I just wasn't aware that people thought that.

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  On 9/20/2016 at 8:24 AM, Jimmy-kud0-tv2 said:

 

Nothing in my post changes whether he was involved with them before or after. For what ever reason, the BO began to target him, making them enemies. We know that he didn't go back to his family and that they needed to flee from the place where they were staying before the message. He either knew he would die soon, didn't want to put his family in danger with his presence, or was unable to go back for some reason. 

 

As for the timing of Kuroda's coma, all we know is that he was supposedly unconscious for 10 years. As for when that started or ended, we don't know.

If Kuroda was still himself and a real person, and was present at the Kouji event and lost his eye there and went into a coma,then he would have been awake from his coma for 7 years already. If that were true then the Nagano trio would probably have less information and the potential of memory returning (assuming its not permanent) would be rather high. 

If Kuroda was himself and lost his eye some other way, then for all we know, those lines about hair color and memory loss could serve some other purpose in the series. 

If Kuroda was a fake person and disguise for someone else then for all we know, the eye damage might not even be real, but just part of a mask. The memory loss would just be to make up for the lack of knowledge. In this case, the timing of the coma starting might not even matter unless Kuroda himself was a relevant person before his identity was stolen by someone else, should that person be Papa Akai or Rum. 

 

I wasn't saying that liking that idea was a bad thing, I just wasn't aware that people thought that.

 

Nah, that was just a general statement, on my part.

 

If he was at the Juke Hotel, 17 years ago, then I say he was Rum... but not Asaka.

 

That was just my observation. 

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  On 9/20/2016 at 8:52 AM, DCUniverseAficionado said:

 

Nah, that was just a general statement, on my part.

 

If he was at the Juke Hotel, 17 years ago, then I say he was Rum... but not Asaka.

 

That was just my observation. 

Maybe papakai die after the kouji event , i think gosho talk to us of shuukichi because it is an index for papakai

Eisuke go to America and the fact that he went it's for clues on him

 

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