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  On 12/21/2016 at 6:35 AM, Chekhov MacGuffin said:

 

Realistically, what Japanese songs recite Hyakunin Isshu poems? And who just hangs out listening to music with one earbud in during a murder case? He's communicating with someone. Maybe Gosho will drop a hint in the third chapter. Again, my bet is the movie Momiji girl.

 

Then is there a translation error in the side-note at the end?("the hint lies within the old song")

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Afaik, song and poem are often used synomously in the Japanese language, because you can of course just sing poems instead of normally reciting them. Doesn't change the fact that it is unlikely that he just happened to listen to some Hyakunin Isshu song collection (or something like that) and that it is very unusual to keep listening to it on one ear during a murder and a police investigation right in front of you. 99% sure he is communicating with someone.

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  On 12/21/2016 at 2:30 PM, Serinox said:

Afaik, song and poem are often used synomously in the Japanese language, because you can of course just sing poems instead of normally reciting them. Doesn't change the fact that it is unlikely that he just happened to listen to some Hyakunin Isshu song collection (or something like that) and that it is very unusual to keep listening to it on one ear during a murder and a police investigation right in front of you. 99% sure he is communicating with someone.

was just going off of the side-note and that he claims to be listening to music. if "Old song"="poem", then it's obvious to me that he heard it from someone, since u can see the lines in the dialogue box, implying that something is being said(and if not a "song", than it's a person).

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  On 12/21/2016 at 3:08 PM, MeiTanteixX said:

was just going off of the side-note and that he claims to be listening to music. if "Old song"="poem", then it's obvious to me that he heard it from someone, since u can see the lines in the dialogue box, implying that something is being said(and if not a "song", than it's a person).

Or he received a message from his partner or someone (e.g. that I personally don't agree with: someone is bugging the Detective Agency above while Wada is there for backup) that they are finished with their job and that it is time to go, which is why Wada is giving Conan & Co. the poem because he wants to leave now and needs the case resolved.

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  On 12/21/2016 at 3:34 PM, Serinox said:

Or he received a message from his partner or someone (e.g. that I personally don't agree with: someone is bugging the Detective Agency above while Wada is there for backup) that they are finished with their job and that it is time to go, which is why Wada is giving Conan & Co. the poem because he wants to leave now and needs the case resolved.

That's an interesting theory,...although it's mostly stretched out assumptions(Kogoro was there after all, and it's a risky move to break-in without sufficient "Kogoro-routine" knowledge(something that only Amuro has)...

That also puts Wada way up on the intelligence/deduction-skill chart :P

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  On 12/21/2016 at 6:42 PM, MeiTanteixX said:

That's an interesting theory,...although it's mostly stretched out assumptions(Kogoro was there after all, and it's a risky move to break-in without sufficient "Kogoro-routine" knowledge(something that only Amuro has)...

That also puts Wada way up on the intelligence/deduction-skill chart :P

 

Considering that Kogoro is very vocal about his obsession with Yoko, and that there is a Yoko program on his tv in the random cut away, they at least would have reason to believe that he would be at home occupied and attempting to watch it at that time. 

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  On 12/15/2016 at 3:57 AM, Chekhov MacGuffin said:

This is a pretty out there idea, but maybe this new guy isn't plot, but instead related to the movie character Momiji Ooka? This is a Hattori case, and the guy mentioned something to do with Hyakunin Isshu karuta, which is the sport Momiji Ooka is a champion in. Maybe she sent the guy as a stalker to keep Heiji and Kazuha from having a good time because, uh, vague handwavey women-can-be-creepy-and-possessive reasons? And he is telling her what is going on and listening to her through the earpiece? That might explain the sudden Hyakunin Isshu recital at the end of the case after listening to someone on the earpiece.

Also the guy's "fake" last name being the same as Ran's Hyde High rival Hina Wada is something to think about too. Both names he used are people connected to Ran, even though he spelled Shinichi differently.

Also, some "medical personnel" he is. He did jack to help the injured vic...

I dunno, I think I'm letting personal bias create excuses for this guy not to be a valid Rum suspect or main plot involved, because I don't want there to me more suspects than we already have... :P

 

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  On 12/22/2016 at 12:29 AM, Jimmy-kud0-tv2 said:

 

Considering that Kogoro is very vocal about his obsession with Yoko, and that there is a Yoko program on his tv in the random cut away, they at least would have reason to believe that he would be at home occupied and attempting to watch it at that time. 

But they would have to take into consideration that he sometimes works at those times and that he sometimes records them so that he can watch them later...

 

  On 12/22/2016 at 8:07 AM, Red Comet said:

983 spoiler pics come out. http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4909418799

I think you've come to the truth. 

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  On 12/26/2016 at 1:38 PM, Red Comet said:
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That Ran-Kazuha confession scene was really, really weird. It seems like Gosho was going for some sort of melodrama, but it just didn't work. Ran suddenly trying to impersonate Heiji and pretty viciously rubbing in the fact that a murder case has yet again gotten in the way of finalizing the relationship seems like it should be played off as funny. But the scene was serious. Nobody laughed. And thus it was weird and awkward.

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  On 12/31/2016 at 6:44 AM, Chekhov MacGuffin said:

That Ran-Kazuha confession scene was really, really weird. It seems like Gosho was going for some sort of melodrama, but it just didn't work. Ran suddenly trying to impersonate Heiji and pretty viciously rubbing in the fact that a murder case has yet again gotten in the way of finalizing the relationship seems like it should be played off as funny. But the scene was serious. Nobody laughed. And thus it was weird and awkward.

 

Sorry, but I'm not getting it.

 

Ran was trying to cheer her up, and Kazuha seemed happy with her doing that. So I'd say it was more of a sweet little moment than "melodrama" and "funny..." sorry, I'm still not getting how you got those two things out of that scene.

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  On 1/2/2017 at 9:42 AM, DCUniverseAficionado said:

 

Sorry, but I'm not getting it.

 

Ran was trying to cheer her up, and Kazuha seemed happy with her doing that. So I'd say it was more of a sweet little moment than "melodrama" and "funny..." sorry, I'm still not getting how you got those two things out of that scene.

 

Melodrama because it was supposed to be a dramatic and somewhat serious moment given backdrop and the way their characters were presented. It wasn't a lighthearted, goofy moment.

 

As for my point, try to imagine that scene played out by your real life friends in your head, and what their honest reactions would be. The boyfriend of one of your besties stood her up, and she's kinda down about it, so you -out of the complete blue- try to imitate his voice and confess love to your friend. .... Yeah.

 

9 times out of 10, assuming your friends are semi-average, will give you a wtf look and some awkward giggling. Hopefully you didn't hurt their feelings by reminding them they got stood up (even if it was for good reasons). Maybe you have a chill friend and they break out laughing. The last thing that would realistically happen is staring deeply into each others eyes while blushing, unless you and your friend are secretly crushing on one another. And that's why I thought this scene was awkward as hell .

 

It's a "cute moment" in the same sense that a "culprit's gun can fire bullets which curve around corners" could be a murder trick. You can certainly use it, but some people are going to drop their suspension of disbelief.

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I'm actually with Chek on this one. It seemed very much out of character for Ran, who is usually so supportive of Kazuha in her efforts to get closer to Hattori, to be so callous as to pull a stunt like that. It came across to me as a slap in the face, and Kazuha not taking offense seemed even more implausible. Had I been in Kazuha's position and had a friend do something like that, I would have been pissed. I still love the series, and I still think Aoyama-sensei is a great mangaka, but I really think he screwed up with that scene.

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  On 1/2/2017 at 10:58 AM, Chekhov MacGuffin said:

As for my point, try to imagine that scene played out by your real life friends in your head, and what their honest reactions would be. The boyfriend of one of your besties stood her up, and she's kinda down about it, so you -out of the complete blue- try to imitate his voice and confess love to your friend. .... Yeah.

 

9 times out of 10, assuming your friends are semi-average, will give you a wtf look and some awkward giggling.

 

Keep in mind that the delivery is very important. In Ran's case, it was delivered with a very genuine and innocent intention. Without sound, it's hard to tell how the delivery was handled, but Ran's very embarrassed face reveals that she made an out-of-character(in terms of the way she did it) attempt to comfort her, which Kazuha obviously picked up. Not all reactions fall to your examples, since all relationships are different.

 

To begin with, Kazuha wasn't really down because Heiji stood her up. She was mostly struggling with her nervousness of confessing to him and her insecurities of actually going through with it and be able to accept Heiji's "unpredictable" reply. Ran jumped in with the confession, to console, as well as reassure, her about Heiji's answer to Kazuha.

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  On 1/2/2017 at 10:58 AM, Chekhov MacGuffin said:

Maybe you have a chill friend and they break out laughing.

 

It's a "cute moment" in the same sense that a "culprit's gun can fire bullets which curve around corners" could be a murder trick. You can certainly use it, but some people are going to drop their suspension of disbelief.

 

And in Kazuha's case, she reacted first by pointing out how Ran could've done it better, then thanked her—which makes Kazuha, perhaps, more than "chill."

 

Remember—Ran once took off her shirt in front of Kazuha (File 211/Episode 141), at a time when Kazuha still thought Ran and Heiji were a thing, and, thus, Ran was her rival. From that scene on, though, they've been nothing but the best of friends. So I'd say the scene from File 983 was about as unorthodox as the scene from File 211—the scene that resulted in them becoming very good friends. And then there's Ran's intent by it—it comes from a desire to try and make her feel better—Kazuha would know why Ran would do that. Ultimately, her reaction says it all—she blushes and smiles. So Ran succeeded, with her in-character desire to try to make people feel better (just like in 211 when she changed her shirt to show Kazuha that they weren't rivals over Heiji), though, this time, by doing something she normally wouldn't do (just like in 211)—well before 983, it was established that Ran had the capacity to do something like this, and Kazuha was the character she was with when she did it, so with these characters (Ran and Kazuha) in this world (the world of DC), this scene was far more believable than, say, Gin and Shuichi suddenly being able to curve bullets, like the characters from Wanted. And then there's everything in Meitantei's post, which I do very much agree with.

 

Yeah, this is definitely YMMV.

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Don't know how many years it'll take me to catch up with the manga now...

Btw this word butsumetsu sounds really familiar, I have a feeling it is from a DC episode I can't remember, does anyone else remember which one it is?

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  On 1/6/2017 at 5:38 PM, EthanHunter said:

...this word butsumetsu sounds really familiar, I have a feeling it is from a DC episode I can't remember...

 

It's in the name for this case:

http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/Volume_48#Butsumetsu_Murder_Case

 

http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/The_Evil_Spirit_Appears_on_An_Unlucky_Day

 

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