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I have heard that heat can make a dead body sit up. Maybe the victim was already dead, and his push-ups was a trick that was accomplished by heat. Don't you find it strange that the victim didn't scream when the fire started to burn the tent?

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Dudes I've gotten an idea, I think the arson case might have been set up like this.

  • The trick was this candle swing experiment.
  • The skewer was used as the axis fulcrum and two other candles were used as the stand for the mechanism.
  • The V-shaped main burn mark indicates that after this mechanism was dislodged the candle with both ends burning started the main fire and the presence of beer just aggravated it.
  • The up and downward motion of this mechanism created the illusion of him doing the squats, while he was reading manga after getting some beer and then probably he was drugged and his hands were taped with his hair.
  • Also the intensity of his squats did increase just before the fire started which also affirms this experiment, as it comes to an end the candle starts swinging more and more.
  • Now the only culprit is that guy after whose visit the victim apparently started squatting.
  • The culprit is the Sumito-guy.

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Detective Conan FILE 987-988 Review/Discussion

 

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But then, Rumi's idea of getting plates and food for the DB even before the the fiasco in the school happened makes a potent contradiction. IF Rumi wasn't used to wearing glasses her beast mode fight wouldn't have been possible. She fought the goons with the glasses on, elbowed the golfer with still glasses on. So it shows she is used of wearing glasses. If it was Vermouth, then she would have worn powerless spectacles. So Rumi is a genuine person. And also creating a persona which never existed is neither easy nor smart. If you invent a persona out of thin air you need to have a fake birth certificate, fake school leaving certificate, fake address proof, fake driving license etc.Vermouth generally disguises herself as a genuine person, not as invented personas. So probably Vermouth isn't Wakasa Rumi, but now if Rumi was Rum, she would have had experienced the troubles of having a single working eye. Thus her other senses like hearing would have peaked up to compensate the loss of her eye. Here Ayumi was calling her, from her right side but she was deep in thought so she didn't hear her and then when she heard her she acted as if she's blind in one eye, only to draw more suspicion as Rum. She's like that girl in class, who is eager for "Senpai" to notice her, but senpai is just too engrossed with a lot of other stuff so she's getting mad and dejected. Her plan was like provoke Conan to encounter her and then she'll spill everything about the Khoji case. We know that Haneda Kohji and Kudo Shinichi, both the names tend to appear on the APTX kill list, probably Rumi hacked the list, she got suspicious when the body of Shinichi was never found, read about the sleeping Kogoro, watched Conan from a distance and now approaching him for help but disguising her as Rum, so that Conan can be provoked and she can convince Conan to help her take down Rum/BO.

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  On 2/24/2017 at 4:40 AM, gg1998 said:

But then, Rumi's idea of getting plates and food for the DB even before the the fiasco in the school happened makes a potent contradiction. IF Rumi wasn't used to wearing glasses her beast mode fight wouldn't have been possible. She fought the goons with the glasses on, elbowed the golfer with still glasses on.

That's not an accurate statement. Having incompatible glasses doesn't necessarily hinder you from doing things. Depending on the strength level(relative to yours), It only increases the chance that you misjudge certain distances and accidentally hit yourselves. You are assuming the worst gap of strength-level when u say that she can't literally hit things with a stick(if that were the case, she wouldn't be able to walk properly either).

 

  5 hours ago, gg1998 said:

And also creating a persona which never existed is neither easy nor smart. If you invent a persona out of thin air you need to have a fake birth certificate, fake school leaving certificate, fake address proof, fake driving license etc. Vermouth generally disguises herself as a genuine person, not as invented personas.

Which is why she is more obvious(to some degree) to us readers and Conan about her suspicious acting... because she isn't following a "script"(existing identity), meaning that more of your true self is more likely to easily slip out. If her side-goal is to provoke Conan with her fake name(to confirm that he really is investigating the Kohji case, similarly to how she's now aware of Kuroda investigating that case), then she would be forced to create a new identity.

 

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  On 2/24/2017 at 10:18 AM, MeiTanteixX said:

That's not an accurate statement. Having incompatible glasses doesn't necessarily hinder you from doing things. Depending on the strength level(relative to yours), It only increases the chance that you misjudge certain distances and accidentally hit yourselves. You are assuming the worst gap of strength-level when u say that she can't literally hit things with a stick(if that were the case, she wouldn't be able to walk properly either).

 

Which is why she is more obvious(to some degree) to us readers and Conan about her suspicious acting... because she isn't following a "script"(existing identity), meaning that more of your true self is more likely to easily slip out. If her side-goal is to provoke Conan with her fake name(to confirm that he really is investigating the Kohji case, similarly to how she's now aware of Kuroda investigating that case), then she would be forced to create a new identity.

 

You're missing my point. I'm asserting the fact that why a person like Vermouth would wear powered glasses in the first place,she can easily wear fake powerless ones like Conan. Now let's remember the fight with the goons. If a person can't judge how much lower to stoop for a formal Japanese greeting and ends up headbutting the desk, then I've serious problems with the same person accurately elbowing the Golfer or the first goon. Even if your theory is to be believed, she could have just thrown away her spectacles before starting the fight. But she didn't, in fact I guess she's also playing the role of an one eyed person, cause one eyed people lack depth perception. Her headbutting the table proves lack of depth perception in the first place, not problem occurring from wearing glasses. You're right that Rumi is provoking Conan to notice her, but not because of her being Vermouth but because she needs Conan to gun down the Rum. If Vermouth was behind the case she would be searching for the user uploading Haneda Case files, she won't be roaming around with "Notice me, Conan" signboard. 

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  On 2/24/2017 at 10:52 AM, gg1998 said:

You're missing my point. I'm asserting the fact that why a person like Vermouth would wear powered glasses in the first place,she can easily wear fake powerless ones like Conan.

Unless she's taking extra precautions to not risk someone finding out that the glasses are fake.

 

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Now let's remember the fight with the goons. If a person can't judge how much lower to stoop for a formal Japanese greeting and ends up headbutting the desk, then I've serious problems with the same person accurately elbowing the Golfer or the first goon. Even if your theory is to be believed, she could have just thrown away her spectacles before starting the fight.

That's your problems, not the truth. Her having different strength-level doesn't make her see double, to the point that she can't aim at the right place, it just messes with the perception of distance. The reason she hit the desk was because she perceived it as being further away. Going by that logic, when she elbowed him, she perceived him as being further away, meaning that she hit him harder than what she needed to. Like I said, she doesn't need to take them off, since it doesn't really hinder her to take action, and she is clearly skilled enough(whether the handicap is "incompatible glasses" or "one-eye").

 

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But she didn't, in fact I guess she's also playing the role of an one eyed person, cause one eyed people lack depth perception. Her headbutting the table proves lack of depth perception in the first place, not problem occurring from wearing glasses. You're right that Rumi is provoking Conan to notice her, but not because of her being Vermouth but because she needs Conan to gun down the Rum. If Vermouth was behind the case she would be searching for the user uploading Haneda Case files, she won't be roaming around with "Notice me, Conan" signboard. 

Conan's ambiguous suspicions are always right. Her bumping her head is not an act, and bumping your head doesn't equate to "one-eye".

She's not behind the case. My theory is that she's trying to confirm that Conan is investigating Kohji's case, while she herself is investigating Subaru(and is using the kids to naturally get close to him, as they visit Agasa).

 

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  On 2/24/2017 at 11:38 AM, MeiTanteixX said:

Unless she's taking extra precautions to not risk someone finding out that the glasses are fake.

 

That's your problems, not the truth. Her having different strength-level doesn't make her see double, to the point that she can't aim at the right place, it just messes with the perception of distance. The reason she hit the desk was because she perceived it as being further away. Going by that logic, when she elbowed him, she perceived him as being further away, meaning that she hit him harder than what she needed to. Like I said, she doesn't need to take them off, since it doesn't really hinder her to take action, and she is clearly skilled enough(whether the handicap is "incompatible glasses" or "one-eye").

 

Conan's ambiguous suspicions are always right. Her bumping her head is not an act, and bumping your head doesn't equate to "one-eye".

She's not behind the case. My theory is that she's trying to confirm that Conan is investigating Kohji's case, while she herself is investigating Subaru(and is using the kids to naturally get close to him, as they visit Agasa).

 

My problem is a logical one and as far I'm concerned that you can't possibly know the truth if you're not Gosho. Now a person with such a poor depth perception can't be this fierce in a fight. So there are two options in front of me, 

  1. Rumi doesn't rely on depth perception in a fight, that means she fights without using her eyes, which isn't the case as we have seen her fighting with people with an open eye.
  2. Rumi has a prosthetic eye lense, which she's using to keep up the Rum appearance so that Conan is forced to make a move. Her both eyes are working enough but she's using a prosthetic lense to notch up her Rum impersonation.

Clearly the impossible one is the first one so I accept the second Hypothesis. Now the next question is her motive and identity.

  1. Her name is very similar to the dying message in Haneda kohji's case.
  2. She's impersonating a certain one eyed persona.

From these two lines we can interpret that she's trying to get someone to notice her and that someone should be aware of the dying message. If she had another motive other than this she wouldn't posing as a Rum candidate because it'll attract attention.  So let's evaluate the claim that she's Vermouth.

  1. Her motive could be a certain investigation about someone.
  2. If that someone is Okiya Subaru then she's using the DB as a tool get closer to him, but then why she's attracting Conan's attention? Cause Conan is an ally of Subaru and Vermouth noticed that little conversation between them during the "ASACA-song" case. So Vermouth should be avoiding Conan at any cost if she's going to investigate Subaru. But the contrary is happening.
  3. Why did she started to pick a verbal spat with Kuroda? She can't let the police chief to get wary of her.
  4. Burboun and Subaru have already shown that there's bad blood between them, so why she can't let the "Best insightful mind in the whole B.O." to tackle Subaru?
  5. Another claim can be that she's assessing whether Conan is interested in Kohji case or not? BO is shown to be very touchy-feely about the name "ASACA" that's why they (Burboun and Vermouth) rushed to investigate the singer, everyone in BO is keeping a tab on this thing and Gin even stated that Rum screwed up this double murder.Now if she's provoking Conan to think that Rumi is the real Rum, then she's just exposing Conan to more danger. Suppose the real Rum is lurking behind the shadows and gets a hold on Conan's uncanny resemblance with Shinichi then Conan's life would be at risk. Gin hates Vermouth, if Gin gets a tab on this situation then Conan is a dead meat. So why, Conan's protector would do something to jeopardize her silver bullet?
  6. The real Rum is not very far from this situation as the Kohji case files gets repeatedly uploaded despite being taken down several times. So Rum is already in the picture and now getting a reaction from Conan while Rum is in the background won't do any good.

My conclusion, Rumi is not Vermouth. Rumi is someone who knows about the dying message, sending signals to Conan to approach her and she's hates Kuroda's guts and is not really a good actress.

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  On 2/24/2017 at 2:59 PM, gg1998 said:

My problem is a logical one and as far I'm concerned that you can't possibly know the truth if you're not Gosho.

Didn't say I know the truth, I said that your reasoning about Rumi not being able to hit the robbers if she wore wrong-strength-level-glasses goes against the truth.

 

  16 minutes ago, gg1998 said:

Now a person with such a poor depth perception can't be this fierce in a fight. So there are two options in front of me, 

  1. Rumi doesn't rely on depth perception in a fight, that means she fights without using her eyes, which isn't the case as we have seen her fighting with people with an open eye.

How does that mean that?

You're talking as if she's blind.

 

  16 minutes ago, gg1998 said:

Now the next question is her motive and identity.

  1. Her name is very similar to the dying message in Haneda kohji's case.
  2. She's impersonating a certain one eyed persona.

From these two lines we can interpret that she's trying to get someone to notice her and that someone should be aware of the dying message. If she had another motive other than this she wouldn't posing as a Rum candidate because it'll attract attention.

...assuming that Asaka is Rum.

 

  16 minutes ago, gg1998 said:

 So let's evaluate the claim that she's Vermouth.

  1. Her motive could be a certain investigation about someone.
  2. If that someone is Okiya Subaru then she's using the DB as a tool get closer to him, but then why she's attracting Conan's attention? Cause Conan is an ally of Subaru and Vermouth noticed that little conversation between them during the "ASACA-song" case. So Vermouth should be avoiding Conan at any cost if she's going to investigate Subaru. But the contrary is happening.

Because just like how Gin is suspicious of Kogoro's involvement in the Hotta Gaito case, she is suspicious of Conan's(because Conan is the actual brain behind Kogoro, which Gin doesn't know). His involvement in the ASACA song case only made Conan, as well as the unknown detective(Subaru), even more suspicious.

 

  16 minutes ago, gg1998 said:
  1. Burboun and Subaru have already shown that there's bad blood between them, so why she can't let the "Best insightful mind in the whole B.O." to tackle Subaru?

Because she asked him if something was up with suspicious Subaru(which there clearly was, because Bourbon was staring daggers at him, and Vermouth noticed), but he kept denying it. She isn't stupid. With her acting experience, she definitely knows that he's lying, so she can't really rely on Bourbon if he isn't honest with her.

 

  16 minutes ago, gg1998 said:
  1. Another claim can be that she's assessing whether Conan is interested in Kohji case or not? BO is shown to be very touchy-feely about the name "ASACA" that's why they (Burboun and Vermouth) rushed to investigate the singer, everyone in BO is keeping a tab on this thing and Gin even stated that Rum screwed up this double murder.Now if she's provoking Conan to think that Rumi is the real Rum, then she's just exposing Conan to more danger. 

Again, you are assuming that Asaka is Rum. Vermouth knows if Asaka is Rum or not, and the only reason she would suspect Conan to know that is if she herself thinks that the dying message says "ASACA=RUM", which still isn't confirmed yet.

In any case, going by your logic, how is she exposing him to danger if she's acting like she's Rum? She isn't an actual threat, so she isn't really endangering him, she is just making him think that Rumi is dangerous.

 

As far as I'm concerned, Asaka isn't Rum. When Rumi is portraying herself as Asaka, she's assuming that Conan will treat her as a criminal(which will confirm that he read the website, because Asaka is the prime suspect, regardless if Asaka is Rum or not).

 

  16 minutes ago, gg1998 said:

My conclusion, Rumi is not Vermouth. Rumi is someone who knows about the dying message, sending signals to Conan to approach her and she's hates Kuroda's guts and is not really a good actress.

it took Conan a receipt to notice all the fake coincidences surrounding her.

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The real Rum is prowling around. He/she knows that someone is trying to dig up the Haneda Kohji case, so he/she would be very cautious and any mention about that case would be primarily important for Rum. Now attracting Rum's attention by faking herself as Rum and getting close to Conan is actually very dangerous. It's like "A tiger is on the prowl and and the fox knows where her little rabbit friend is hidden, but she intentionally sniffs around the hole, while the Tiger is prowling around. It does no good to the rabbit."

I never claimed that Asaca is Rum, all I said was that Rumi had knew the details of the case. BO is more worried about "ASACA" not about the mention of Rum. There would be tons of Japanese women with this name, yet when they heard about the song, they went straight ahead to investigate. This name is very important, they want more information about Asaca. If Asaca was Rum then this song would have had no meaning to them, cause there are tons of Asacas. Also the fact remains that nobody knew Asaca's gender and the soul detective thought that Asaca was female. Asaca was a bodyguard for the American lady, but nobody saw his/her face and also the relationship between the lady and Haneda Kohji. Even if Haneda was killed by Rum, then why Haneda's name comes after Shinichi's name in the list? It forces me to conclude that Rum despite being the killer had doubts. So she/he covered it up by putting it on APTX's prototype. Infact the American lady was BO's target, and the lady knew hell lot about BO. Rum wanted to silence her, the lady hired Asaca for protection. She probably told Asaca to hide her face and gender cause else BO would find ASaca's family and force her to to co-operate them in the assassination mission.Now Asaca did just like he/she was told. Now here comes the tricky part, in an assassination attempt, why would Rum let go of the bodyguard? I do have a theory for that and also the name Haneda Kohji appearing on the list after Shinichi's name. Because Rum wasn't sure whether he/she killed Haneda Kohji or not? Was it the real Haneda? What if Asaca was a man and changed getup with Haneda maybe due to the latter's advice to trick Rum. Because the American lady had no need to be present in the room of Haneda, if she was threatened and already had a boduguard, why the dody guard was not present in Haneda's room while she visited there?. Because Asaca was absent from the scene and probably some agency(FBI/CIA) was on the lady's tail, Rum faked a dying message, implicated Asaca but forgot that the man he killed was Asaca not Haneda. Now real Haneda discovers the scene, he's already treated as dead. He gets afraid, cause if he surfaces he also will be killed. So he goes underground, does a sexual reassignment surgery, investigates about the BO,probably she met Kuroda by this time and had fallen out with him for some reason, then pops up as Wakasa Rumi, already got some info about Mouri Kogoro's bag of wisdom, goes after Conan.

 

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A very interesting theory, and well thought out. That said, I have to point out one very large flaw in your logic. It would be impossible for Asaka to have switched places with Haneda Kohji. Haneda Kohji was a well known and renowned shogi master in Japan, therefore very recognizable. And even though the murder took place in America, the investigating police would have confirmed the identity of the deceased by every means possible. In order for Asaka to have successfully pulled off such a switch, several factors would have to have aligned perfectly. First, Asaka would have to naturally bear a very strong resemblance to Agenda in order for anyone to have any chance at all of believing the deception; disguising as Haneda might fool Rum, depending on how good of an actor Asaka was, but the police would have easily discovered that the body was disguised and was not truly Haneda. Second, Asaka would have to have known when Rum was coming in order to know when to switch; unless you're proposing that Asaka made the switch and sent Haneda away long before the murders, then he would have to have received information about Rum's movements somehow to give him enough warning to switch with Haneda, though, if Asaka received enough warning to switch with Haneda and send him away, he should just as easily been able to take both Haneda and his client and escape. Third, even if we assume Asaka and Haneda were perfect doppelgangers, and that Asaka was able to get the information to send Haneda away, he and/or Haneda would have to have help within the police department in order to maintain the ruse; as I've pointed out, the police would have confirmed the identity through all available avenues, so even if the body looked like Haneda, the DNA and fingerprints wouldn't match, so Asaka or Haneda (presumably the latter, since at the time the switch would have been made, it wouldn't have been about fooling anyone into thinking Haneda was dead, but rather about fooling Rum into thinking Asaka was Haneda in hopes of taking him/her by surprise) would have had to have someone inside law enforcement giving fake results to those tests for them to reflect it was Haneda. In addition to all the things that would have to be just right for the switch to even be possible, there's one last thing to consider. Asaka was a bodyguard hired to protect the woman that was killed along with Haneda. In other words, Haneda was neither the client nor charge. Why, then, would Asaka send him away safely instead of the woman he was being paid to protect? If I were in that position, I would send the woman away and put on a wig and clothes similar to hers so someone watching from a distance would mistake me for her. This would lure Rum into thinking everything was normal, then when Rum moves on to strike, by the time he/she was close enough to realize the deception I would be able to strike back. In other words, I find it more likely that Asaka, no matter whether a man or woman, would try to switch places with his/her charge to trick Rum as opposed to switching with Haneda.

 

As I said, your theory was well thought out, but I just couldn't get past the very large hole in the middle of it. 

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  On 2/23/2017 at 9:22 AM, DCUniverseAficionado said:

 

I think it was this case:

 

Manga (File 635–File 637)

http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/Volume_61#Sports_Car_Arson_Case 

 

Anime (Episode 524–Episode 525)

http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/The_Blue_Spark_of_Hate

 

The one with Tokyo arson department yes.

 

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  On 2/26/2017 at 2:52 PM, Kurara-chan said:

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  On 2/28/2017 at 2:27 AM, AnimeOtakuDrew said:

Is chapter 989 already out? I looked on bato and couldn't find it. I'm looking forward to the resolution of this case.

 

give it another 36 hours. Its still late Monday / early Tuesday (depending on timezones). Baidu usually waits till closer to Wednesday (in my time zone, US central time zone)

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  On 2/27/2017 at 1:03 PM, DCUniverseAficionado said:

 

 

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  On 2/26/2017 at 10:55 AM, AnimeOtakuDrew said:

A very interesting theory, and well thought out. That said, I have to point out one very large flaw in your logic. It would be impossible for Asaka to have switched places with Haneda Kohji. Haneda Kohji was a well known and renowned shogi master in Japan, therefore very recognizable. And even though the murder took place in America, the investigating police would have confirmed the identity of the deceased by every means possible. In order for Asaka to have successfully pulled off such a switch, several factors would have to have aligned perfectly. First, Asaka would have to naturally bear a very strong resemblance to Agenda in order for anyone to have any chance at all of believing the deception; disguising as Haneda might fool Rum, depending on how good of an actor Asaka was, but the police would have easily discovered that the body was disguised and was not truly Haneda. Second, Asaka would have to have known when Rum was coming in order to know when to switch; unless you're proposing that Asaka made the switch and sent Haneda away long before the murders, then he would have to have received information about Rum's movements somehow to give him enough warning to switch with Haneda, though, if Asaka received enough warning to switch with Haneda and send him away, he should just as easily been able to take both Haneda and his client and escape. Third, even if we assume Asaka and Haneda were perfect doppelgangers, and that Asaka was able to get the information to send Haneda away, he and/or Haneda would have to have help within the police department in order to maintain the ruse; as I've pointed out, the police would have confirmed the identity through all available avenues, so even if the body looked like Haneda, the DNA and fingerprints wouldn't match, so Asaka or Haneda (presumably the latter, since at the time the switch would have been made, it wouldn't have been about fooling anyone into thinking Haneda was dead, but rather about fooling Rum into thinking Asaka was Haneda in hopes of taking him/her by surprise) would have had to have someone inside law enforcement giving fake results to those tests for them to reflect it was Haneda. In addition to all the things that would have to be just right for the switch to even be possible, there's one last thing to consider. Asaka was a bodyguard hired to protect the woman that was killed along with Haneda. In other words, Haneda was neither the client nor charge. Why, then, would Asaka send him away safely instead of the woman he was being paid to protect? If I were in that position, I would send the woman away and put on a wig and clothes similar to hers so someone watching from a distance would mistake me for her. This would lure Rum into thinking everything was normal, then when Rum moves on to strike, by the time he/she was close enough to realize the deception I would be able to strike back. In other words, I find it more likely that Asaka, no matter whether a man or woman, would try to switch places with his/her charge to trick Rum as opposed to switching with Haneda.

 

As I said, your theory was well thought out, but I just couldn't get past the very large hole in the middle of it. 

I never implied it was my theory, but what if the bodyguard and Haneda already knew each other, to protect the lady better "ASACA" disguised as Haneda,because in that way nobody can figure out that the lady already has a body guard, because No Shogi master is generally recruited as bodyguards, in fact the lady spending a lot of time with the body guard would look like just another old fan-girl of the shogi master. BO aren't the mugging type assassins, they won't break into your hotel room to kill you at night, so the bodyguard had no need stay with his charge all the time. As far as the disguise goes, I'm pretty sure plastic surgery was done in the first place with consent of Haneda Kohji. DNA and fingerprint report doesn't mean anything if there isn't a DNA and fingerprint repository for all citizens, cause Haneda wasn't a criminal, if such repository wasn't there then fingerprint and DNA would be of no help for identification purposes. Though I would say it's a mere ridiculous rebuttal from my part against those people who are bent on proving that Rumi is Vermouth.

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