[SPOILER DISCUSSION] File 987-989: The Burning Tent

[Aries Bless 18]

Well, Rei would have to rapport Conan's connection to the FBI.

[Kurara-chan 13]

988 is out.

 

Gosho is currently gathering one eyed people and or people with trauma about their eyes? (for RUM and the herrings)

 

When is the last arson case?

[DCUniverseAficionado 252]

5 hours ago, Kurara-chan said:

When is the last arson case?

 

I think it was this case:

 

Manga (File 635–File 637)

http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/Volume_61#Sports_Car_Arson_Case 

 

Anime (Episode 524–Episode 525)

http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/The_Blue_Spark_of_Hate

[Aries Bless 18]

I have heard that heat can make a dead body sit up. Maybe the victim was already dead, and his push-ups was a trick that was accomplished by heat. Don't you find it strange that the victim didn't scream when the fire started to burn the tent?

[gg1998 3]

Dudes I've gotten an idea, I think the arson case might have been set up like this.

• The trick was this candle swing experiment.
• The skewer was used as the axis fulcrum and two other candles were used as the stand for the mechanism.
• The V-shaped main burn mark indicates that after this mechanism was dislodged the candle with both ends burning started the main fire and the presence of beer just aggravated it.
• The up and downward motion of this mechanism created the illusion of him doing the squats, while he was reading manga after getting some beer and then probably he was drugged and his hands were taped with his hair.
• Also the intensity of his squats did increase just before the fire started which also affirms this experiment, as it comes to an end the candle starts swinging more and more.
• Now the only culprit is that guy after whose visit the victim apparently started squatting.
• The culprit is the Sumito-guy.

[MeiTanteixX 184]

Detective Conan FILE 987-988 Review/Discussion

 

Spoiler

Case Discussion

 

 

I'm gonna skip summary,...
The culprit is most likely Ashizawa Sumito.

 

 

The plan was to make the victim seem alive while the fire started, in order to make it look like an accident. How he did it was by using a trick to make him move up and down to make it seem like he was awake and squating. What he needed for the trick was what Rumi hinted at towards the end of File 988, the science behind a balancing toy.

 

 

The reason the balancing toy is balanced is because the center of gravity, which is on the two sides, is below the point of support, meaning that most of the weight is equally distributed on the two acorns on the sides, and they are both underneath the level of Ayumi's finger. This makes it so that even if you push down one of the acorns on the sides, the toy won't fall down, but instead sway up and down until it retains its balance and stays still.

 

 

In this case, he set it up so that they could create the same effect, where Urushibara(the victim) was sitting in the position that would be equivalent to one of the side-acorns in the balance toy(that moves up and down when balance is disrupted), to fake his squating. For Ashizawa to create that same effect, he would need something that will be placed on the position of the other side-acorn, that equals to Urushibara's weight. The only thing that could've been used is what Furuoka had brought with her for Urushibara, the manga volumes. Sake is flammable, so it was most likely poured on the stack of manga volumes, so that they would burn away faster when the fire started.

 

 

The other candles were sticked together, using the skewers from the dango side-dish as the bond, so that they would form the shape of a block. It's position in the balancing toy would be equivalent to Ayumi's finger. The laptop, that was next to the magazine, was bent like a "V" and placed on top of the candle block. A certain flammable bent object(that will carry and connect the chair with the manga volumes like a scale) was placed on top of the laptop, and then finally the lantern on top of that object.

 

 

After Ashizawa constructed something similar to this, he just had to disrupt the balance(making Urushibara and the volumes swing up and down), and then leave and act like the lights just turned on, as if Urushibara just woke up. The gradual "harsh squating" that Danno noticed was from the fact that the swinging distance decreased as Urushibara and the manga volumes reached a balanced state(making it look like quick smaller movements). Those harsh movements is what most likely lead to the lantern falling on Urushibara and burn the tent(like for example, making some of the volumes fall so that the weight balance disappears and the impact of the chair falling hard to the ground makes the lantern fall off).

 

 

The magazine was placed under Urushibara. his bent legs covered the area of the magazine so that it shaped a "V". It's purpose was to burn-up, the moment the liquefied candle wax spilled on it, and lead the fire to Urushibara's clothes(which is why the burn mark didn't reach where Urushibara's legs covered). Sake was most likely poured on the magazine as well.

 

 

Conan noticed that the band-aid/tape on Urushibara's fingers were on the wrong fingers(left hand) and wanted to confirm with DB. That's because Ashizawa taped together Urushibara's fingers with the band-aid/tape so that it would look like he was holding his hands behind his head to do squats. All that was left is to let the fire burn the tape so that his hands naturally falls down.

 

 

The fact that Urushibara didn't notice anything during the setup is because he was asleep after getting drunk, as Furuoka mentioned. Ashizawa himself mentioned that Urushibara never woke up when they pulled pranks on him while he was asleep.

 

 

The evidence to him being the culprit is probably the stain/dirt on Ashizawa's right elbow. He got it the moment he came back after "checking on" Urushibara. As he was constructing the trick, his elbow probably touched the spilled sake on the ground while he was bending down to put the magazine(or the unknown flammable object) under Urushibara. This would prove that he entered the tent when it was supposed to be closed(which it wasn't). The reason the zipper was later found locked was because Ashizawa most likely locked it after the tent burned down, to make it look like it was closed all along.

 

 

The motive was probably his fear of losing his chance to get scouted, like Danno did, because of Urushibara's instigated "accident". Urushibara's threat was probably taken seriously. The real reason to why Urushibara hurt Danno was probably because he wanted to help him get close to Furuoka, since Danno probably revealed his crush on her to him. He probably didn't intend for it to get that bad. The reason the girls stopped approaching Danno was probably because Urushibara told them off so that Danno and the manager had a chance(which Ashizawa mistook as it being due to popularity loss).

 

 

Plot Discussion

 

 

The plot intensifies, as we get the first meeting of two important plot characters, Kuroda Hyoue and Wakasa Rumi. Conan followed up his suspicion on Rumi by revealing that he's aware that she has been leading him to cases(as I mentioned in my Rumi discussion) and that she is someone with a hidden agenda. After that however, the first new suspicious thing we got was Rumi's reaction to the word "prosthetic" and Haibara's BO sense getting triggered by her, followed by Rumi gripping her pocket(File 987).

 

 

Rumi's serious reaction and gripping suggest that she was hurt by something related to "prosthetic". This heavily suggest that Rumi has a grudge on Rum, meaning that she is aware of his prosthetic eye. Conan noticed that something inside her pocket was being gripped. It's most likely connected to her grudge, like a memento of someone Rum has hurt/killed. Haibara also seems to have finally reawakened her BO-sense(although it still hasn't been addressed) and getting triggered by Rumi suggests that she's connected to the BO. This does imply that she is, or was affiliated with the BO, and it's clearly Gosho's way of making Rumi look like Rum(who she most likely isn't).

 

At the start of File 987, we see Kuroda investigating the Kohji case and connecting it to Rumi's news headlines. Since he was looking at the dying message the focus was most likely on Rumi's name, which is clearly based on the letters from the dying message. His strong interest in the Kohji case suggest that he was most likely involved somehow. After finding out that Rumi was going to a campsite, he makes the remark that going camping is unlike "that person".

 

 

Kuroda's remark suggest that he's assuming that Rumi is the prime suspect of the Kohji case, Asaka, who is suspected to be Rum(based on the dying message). It looks like he was being playful with the idea that a criminal like Rum is camping. Considering that Gosho portrayed Kuroda as a none-BO-person(since Haibara didn't sense anything from him), it's safe to assume that he is continuing with that portrayal, but also adding the idea that Kuroda is Rumi's enemy and that Rumi is Rum. This is clearly shown through their interaction through out File 988. In reality though, this is most likely a red-herring, and the reality is just that Kuroda is suspecting her to be Rum, when she isn't. In Rumi's case however, we see her getting spaced out and showing vulnerability as she's glaring on Kuroda, to the point that she doesn't notice Ayumi's call(File 988).

 

 

This once again looks like Gosho's way of making it look she recognized Kuroda, who is Rum's enemy(as if she's Rum). From the information that we have gotten however, the more accurate assumption would be that she reacted to him recognizing her and indirectly saying that he suspects her to be affiliated with criminality(since he asked for her permission about calling the police). Rumi has shown to be very intelligent, so her being in deep thought could be her wondering why this scary-looking guy is interested in her, since she clearly hinted at her being aware of Kuroda's true goal being her.

 

 

Considering that Rumi intentionally created the "Wakasa Rumi" name, with the Kohji case in mind, it makes sense that she would suspect Kuroda, who has shown that he suspects her to be Asaka, to be someone involved in the 17-year-old case.
When Rumi snapped out of her deep thought, she acted very suspicious, which Haibara picked up. Rumi was looking around, as if she didn't know where Ayumi was calling her from. Haibara interpreted it as Rumi possibly not being able to see with her right eye(File 988).

 

 

This is, once again, Gosho's way of making Rumi look like Rum(who can't see with one eye due to having an artificial eye). Right after that however, Conan had his own thought process about Rumi's behavior. He was suspecting that other than her "accident" with the folding screen, her clumsy behavior might not be an act. The interesting thing about this is that we didn't get to see Conan finish what his suspicion was. This looked awfully a lot like one of Gosho's mislead tactics, where he is trying to make us think that Conan has the same suspicion as Haibara(similarly to how he wanted us to think that Wakita is looking at the same news as Kuroda). Conan has always been the character that always follows with the right suspicion(when his thoughts are ambiguous). This heavily implies that he isn't suspicious of Rumi's eye not working. From the start, the idea that "misjudging the distance from certain objects means you're one-eyed" was flawed. The most probable reason to why Rumi would misjudge the distance to the teachers desk or the basement door(and therefore bump on it) is if her glasses have the wrong strength-level(relative to her). This was shown clearly in File 2 when Conan wore his father's glasses to disguise himself and couldn't see anything(in the anime, he even bumped his head like Rumi).

 

 

This implies that Rumi isn't used to wearing glasses, similarly to Conan, when he tried to disguise himself with it. This is most likely Gosho's second implication that "Wakasa Rumi" is a disguise(following my Rumi discussion), which further points her to being Vermouth in disguise(adding to the fact Haibara sensed the BO from her). Similarly to how Wakita might be on to Conan(from my Wakita discussion), it looks like this is a setup to Conan being on to Rumi's true identity(Vermouth).

[gg1998 3]

But then, Rumi's idea of getting plates and food for the DB even before the the fiasco in the school happened makes a potent contradiction. IF Rumi wasn't used to wearing glasses her beast mode fight wouldn't have been possible. She fought the goons with the glasses on, elbowed the golfer with still glasses on. So it shows she is used of wearing glasses. If it was Vermouth, then she would have worn powerless spectacles. So Rumi is a genuine person. And also creating a persona which never existed is neither easy nor smart. If you invent a persona out of thin air you need to have a fake birth certificate, fake school leaving certificate, fake address proof, fake driving license etc.Vermouth generally disguises herself as a genuine person, not as invented personas. So probably Vermouth isn't Wakasa Rumi, but now if Rumi was Rum, she would have had experienced the troubles of having a single working eye. Thus her other senses like hearing would have peaked up to compensate the loss of her eye. Here Ayumi was calling her, from her right side but she was deep in thought so she didn't hear her and then when she heard her she acted as if she's blind in one eye, only to draw more suspicion as Rum. She's like that girl in class, who is eager for "Senpai" to notice her, but senpai is just too engrossed with a lot of other stuff so she's getting mad and dejected. Her plan was like provoke Conan to encounter her and then she'll spill everything about the Khoji case. We know that Haneda Kohji and Kudo Shinichi, both the names tend to appear on the APTX kill list, probably Rumi hacked the list, she got suspicious when the body of Shinichi was never found, read about the sleeping Kogoro, watched Conan from a distance and now approaching him for help but disguising her as Rum, so that Conan can be provoked and she can convince Conan to help her take down Rum/BO.

[MeiTanteixX 184]

5 hours ago, gg1998 said:

But then, Rumi's idea of getting plates and food for the DB even before the the fiasco in the school happened makes a potent contradiction. IF Rumi wasn't used to wearing glasses her beast mode fight wouldn't have been possible. She fought the goons with the glasses on, elbowed the golfer with still glasses on.

That's not an accurate statement. Having incompatible glasses doesn't necessarily hinder you from doing things. Depending on the strength level(relative to yours), It only increases the chance that you misjudge certain distances and accidentally hit yourselves. You are assuming the worst gap of strength-level when u say that she can't literally hit things with a stick(if that were the case, she wouldn't be able to walk properly either).

 

5 hours ago, gg1998 said:

And also creating a persona which never existed is neither easy nor smart. If you invent a persona out of thin air you need to have a fake birth certificate, fake school leaving certificate, fake address proof, fake driving license etc. Vermouth generally disguises herself as a genuine person, not as invented personas.

Which is why she is more obvious(to some degree) to us readers and Conan about her suspicious acting... because she isn't following a "script"(existing identity), meaning that more of your true self is more likely to easily slip out. If her side-goal is to provoke Conan with her fake name(to confirm that he really is investigating the Kohji case, similarly to how she's now aware of Kuroda investigating that case), then she would be forced to create a new identity.

 

[gg1998 3]

36 minutes ago, MeiTanteixX said:

That's not an accurate statement. Having incompatible glasses doesn't necessarily hinder you from doing things. Depending on the strength level(relative to yours), It only increases the chance that you misjudge certain distances and accidentally hit yourselves. You are assuming the worst gap of strength-level when u say that she can't literally hit things with a stick(if that were the case, she wouldn't be able to walk properly either).

 

Which is why she is more obvious(to some degree) to us readers and Conan about her suspicious acting... because she isn't following a "script"(existing identity), meaning that more of your true self is more likely to easily slip out. If her side-goal is to provoke Conan with her fake name(to confirm that he really is investigating the Kohji case, similarly to how she's now aware of Kuroda investigating that case), then she would be forced to create a new identity.

 

You're missing my point. I'm asserting the fact that why a person like Vermouth would wear powered glasses in the first place,she can easily wear fake powerless ones like Conan. Now let's remember the fight with the goons. If a person can't judge how much lower to stoop for a formal Japanese greeting and ends up headbutting the desk, then I've serious problems with the same person accurately elbowing the Golfer or the first goon. Even if your theory is to be believed, she could have just thrown away her spectacles before starting the fight. But she didn't, in fact I guess she's also playing the role of an one eyed person, cause one eyed people lack depth perception. Her headbutting the table proves lack of depth perception in the first place, not problem occurring from wearing glasses. You're right that Rumi is provoking Conan to notice her, but not because of her being Vermouth but because she needs Conan to gun down the Rum. If Vermouth was behind the case she would be searching for the user uploading Haneda Case files, she won't be roaming around with "Notice me, Conan" signboard. 

[MeiTanteixX 184]

47 minutes ago, gg1998 said:

You're missing my point. I'm asserting the fact that why a person like Vermouth would wear powered glasses in the first place,she can easily wear fake powerless ones like Conan.

Unless she's taking extra precautions to not risk someone finding out that the glasses are fake.

 

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Now let's remember the fight with the goons. If a person can't judge how much lower to stoop for a formal Japanese greeting and ends up headbutting the desk, then I've serious problems with the same person accurately elbowing the Golfer or the first goon. Even if your theory is to be believed, she could have just thrown away her spectacles before starting the fight.

That's your problems, not the truth. Her having different strength-level doesn't make her see double, to the point that she can't aim at the right place, it just messes with the perception of distance. The reason she hit the desk was because she perceived it as being further away. Going by that logic, when she elbowed him, she perceived him as being further away, meaning that she hit him harder than what she needed to. Like I said, she doesn't need to take them off, since it doesn't really hinder her to take action, and she is clearly skilled enough(whether the handicap is "incompatible glasses" or "one-eye").

 

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But she didn't, in fact I guess she's also playing the role of an one eyed person, cause one eyed people lack depth perception. Her headbutting the table proves lack of depth perception in the first place, not problem occurring from wearing glasses. You're right that Rumi is provoking Conan to notice her, but not because of her being Vermouth but because she needs Conan to gun down the Rum. If Vermouth was behind the case she would be searching for the user uploading Haneda Case files, she won't be roaming around with "Notice me, Conan" signboard. 

Conan's ambiguous suspicions are always right. Her bumping her head is not an act, and bumping your head doesn't equate to "one-eye".

She's not behind the case. My theory is that she's trying to confirm that Conan is investigating Kohji's case, while she herself is investigating Subaru(and is using the kids to naturally get close to him, as they visit Agasa).

 

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989 Spoiler Pics are out:
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4995533190?pn=1

 

[gg1998 3]

Looks like My theory has triumphed and there's a chance of a vision blocking contact lens in Rumi's pocket. (http://www.allaboutvision.com/contacts/prosthetic-contact-lenses.htm)

[gg1998 3]

2 hours ago, MeiTanteixX said:

Unless she's taking extra precautions to not risk someone finding out that the glasses are fake.

 

That's your problems, not the truth. Her having different strength-level doesn't make her see double, to the point that she can't aim at the right place, it just messes with the perception of distance. The reason she hit the desk was because she perceived it as being further away. Going by that logic, when she elbowed him, she perceived him as being further away, meaning that she hit him harder than what she needed to. Like I said, she doesn't need to take them off, since it doesn't really hinder her to take action, and she is clearly skilled enough(whether the handicap is "incompatible glasses" or "one-eye").

 

Conan's ambiguous suspicions are always right. Her bumping her head is not an act, and bumping your head doesn't equate to "one-eye".

She's not behind the case. My theory is that she's trying to confirm that Conan is investigating Kohji's case, while she herself is investigating Subaru(and is using the kids to naturally get close to him, as they visit Agasa).

 

My problem is a logical one and as far I'm concerned that you can't possibly know the truth if you're not Gosho. Now a person with such a poor depth perception can't be this fierce in a fight. So there are two options in front of me, 

1. Rumi doesn't rely on depth perception in a fight, that means she fights without using her eyes, which isn't the case as we have seen her fighting with people with an open eye.
2. Rumi has a prosthetic eye lense, which she's using to keep up the Rum appearance so that Conan is forced to make a move. Her both eyes are working enough but she's using a prosthetic lense to notch up her Rum impersonation.

Clearly the impossible one is the first one so I accept the second Hypothesis. Now the next question is her motive and identity.

1. Her name is very similar to the dying message in Haneda kohji's case.
2. She's impersonating a certain one eyed persona.

From these two lines we can interpret that she's trying to get someone to notice her and that someone should be aware of the dying message. If she had another motive other than this she wouldn't posing as a Rum candidate because it'll attract attention.  So let's evaluate the claim that she's Vermouth.

1. Her motive could be a certain investigation about someone.
2. If that someone is Okiya Subaru then she's using the DB as a tool get closer to him, but then why she's attracting Conan's attention? Cause Conan is an ally of Subaru and Vermouth noticed that little conversation between them during the "ASACA-song" case. So Vermouth should be avoiding Conan at any cost if she's going to investigate Subaru. But the contrary is happening.
3. Why did she started to pick a verbal spat with Kuroda? She can't let the police chief to get wary of her.
4. Burboun and Subaru have already shown that there's bad blood between them, so why she can't let the "Best insightful mind in the whole B.O." to tackle Subaru?
5. Another claim can be that she's assessing whether Conan is interested in Kohji case or not? BO is shown to be very touchy-feely about the name "ASACA" that's why they (Burboun and Vermouth) rushed to investigate the singer, everyone in BO is keeping a tab on this thing and Gin even stated that Rum screwed up this double murder.Now if she's provoking Conan to think that Rumi is the real Rum, then she's just exposing Conan to more danger. Suppose the real Rum is lurking behind the shadows and gets a hold on Conan's uncanny resemblance with Shinichi then Conan's life would be at risk. Gin hates Vermouth, if Gin gets a tab on this situation then Conan is a dead meat. So why, Conan's protector would do something to jeopardize her silver bullet?
6. The real Rum is not very far from this situation as the Kohji case files gets repeatedly uploaded despite being taken down several times. So Rum is already in the picture and now getting a reaction from Conan while Rum is in the background won't do any good.

My conclusion, Rumi is not Vermouth. Rumi is someone who knows about the dying message, sending signals to Conan to approach her and she's hates Kuroda's guts and is not really a good actress.

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16 minutes ago, gg1998 said:

My problem is a logical one and as far I'm concerned that you can't possibly know the truth if you're not Gosho.

Didn't say I know the truth, I said that your reasoning about Rumi not being able to hit the robbers if she wore wrong-strength-level-glasses goes against the truth.

 

16 minutes ago, gg1998 said:

Now a person with such a poor depth perception can't be this fierce in a fight. So there are two options in front of me, 

1. Rumi doesn't rely on depth perception in a fight, that means she fights without using her eyes, which isn't the case as we have seen her fighting with people with an open eye.

How does that mean that?

You're talking as if she's blind.

 

16 minutes ago, gg1998 said:

Now the next question is her motive and identity.

1. Her name is very similar to the dying message in Haneda kohji's case.
2. She's impersonating a certain one eyed persona.

From these two lines we can interpret that she's trying to get someone to notice her and that someone should be aware of the dying message. If she had another motive other than this she wouldn't posing as a Rum candidate because it'll attract attention.

...assuming that Asaka is Rum.

 

16 minutes ago, gg1998 said:

 So let's evaluate the claim that she's Vermouth.

1. Her motive could be a certain investigation about someone.
2. If that someone is Okiya Subaru then she's using the DB as a tool get closer to him, but then why she's attracting Conan's attention? Cause Conan is an ally of Subaru and Vermouth noticed that little conversation between them during the "ASACA-song" case. So Vermouth should be avoiding Conan at any cost if she's going to investigate Subaru. But the contrary is happening.

Because just like how Gin is suspicious of Kogoro's involvement in the Hotta Gaito case, she is suspicious of Conan's(because Conan is the actual brain behind Kogoro, which Gin doesn't know). His involvement in the ASACA song case only made Conan, as well as the unknown detective(Subaru), even more suspicious.

 

16 minutes ago, gg1998 said:

1. Burboun and Subaru have already shown that there's bad blood between them, so why she can't let the "Best insightful mind in the whole B.O." to tackle Subaru?

Because she asked him if something was up with suspicious Subaru(which there clearly was, because Bourbon was staring daggers at him, and Vermouth noticed), but he kept denying it. She isn't stupid. With her acting experience, she definitely knows that he's lying, so she can't really rely on Bourbon if he isn't honest with her.

 

16 minutes ago, gg1998 said:

1. Another claim can be that she's assessing whether Conan is interested in Kohji case or not? BO is shown to be very touchy-feely about the name "ASACA" that's why they (Burboun and Vermouth) rushed to investigate the singer, everyone in BO is keeping a tab on this thing and Gin even stated that Rum screwed up this double murder.Now if she's provoking Conan to think that Rumi is the real Rum, then she's just exposing Conan to more danger. 

Again, you are assuming that Asaka is Rum. Vermouth knows if Asaka is Rum or not, and the only reason she would suspect Conan to know that is if she herself thinks that the dying message says "ASACA=RUM", which still isn't confirmed yet.

In any case, going by your logic, how is she exposing him to danger if she's acting like she's Rum? She isn't an actual threat, so she isn't really endangering him, she is just making him think that Rumi is dangerous.

 

As far as I'm concerned, Asaka isn't Rum. When Rumi is portraying herself as Asaka, she's assuming that Conan will treat her as a criminal(which will confirm that he read the website, because Asaka is the prime suspect, regardless if Asaka is Rum or not).

 

16 minutes ago, gg1998 said:

My conclusion, Rumi is not Vermouth. Rumi is someone who knows about the dying message, sending signals to Conan to approach her and she's hates Kuroda's guts and is not really a good actress.

it took Conan a receipt to notice all the fake coincidences surrounding her.

[gg1998 3]

The real Rum is prowling around. He/she knows that someone is trying to dig up the Haneda Kohji case, so he/she would be very cautious and any mention about that case would be primarily important for Rum. Now attracting Rum's attention by faking herself as Rum and getting close to Conan is actually very dangerous. It's like "A tiger is on the prowl and and the fox knows where her little rabbit friend is hidden, but she intentionally sniffs around the hole, while the Tiger is prowling around. It does no good to the rabbit."

I never claimed that Asaca is Rum, all I said was that Rumi had knew the details of the case. BO is more worried about "ASACA" not about the mention of Rum. There would be tons of Japanese women with this name, yet when they heard about the song, they went straight ahead to investigate. This name is very important, they want more information about Asaca. If Asaca was Rum then this song would have had no meaning to them, cause there are tons of Asacas. Also the fact remains that nobody knew Asaca's gender and the soul detective thought that Asaca was female. Asaca was a bodyguard for the American lady, but nobody saw his/her face and also the relationship between the lady and Haneda Kohji. Even if Haneda was killed by Rum, then why Haneda's name comes after Shinichi's name in the list? It forces me to conclude that Rum despite being the killer had doubts. So she/he covered it up by putting it on APTX's prototype. Infact the American lady was BO's target, and the lady knew hell lot about BO. Rum wanted to silence her, the lady hired Asaca for protection. She probably told Asaca to hide her face and gender cause else BO would find ASaca's family and force her to to co-operate them in the assassination mission.Now Asaca did just like he/she was told. Now here comes the tricky part, in an assassination attempt, why would Rum let go of the bodyguard? I do have a theory for that and also the name Haneda Kohji appearing on the list after Shinichi's name. Because Rum wasn't sure whether he/she killed Haneda Kohji or not? Was it the real Haneda? What if Asaca was a man and changed getup with Haneda maybe due to the latter's advice to trick Rum. Because the American lady had no need to be present in the room of Haneda, if she was threatened and already had a boduguard, why the dody guard was not present in Haneda's room while she visited there?. Because Asaca was absent from the scene and probably some agency(FBI/CIA) was on the lady's tail, Rum faked a dying message, implicated Asaca but forgot that the man he killed was Asaca not Haneda. Now real Haneda discovers the scene, he's already treated as dead. He gets afraid, cause if he surfaces he also will be killed. So he goes underground, does a sexual reassignment surgery, investigates about the BO,probably she met Kuroda by this time and had fallen out with him for some reason, then pops up as Wakasa Rumi, already got some info about Mouri Kogoro's bag of wisdom, goes after Conan.

 

[AnimeOtakuDrew 18]

A very interesting theory, and well thought out. That said, I have to point out one very large flaw in your logic. It would be impossible for Asaka to have switched places with Haneda Kohji. Haneda Kohji was a well known and renowned shogi master in Japan, therefore very recognizable. And even though the murder took place in America, the investigating police would have confirmed the identity of the deceased by every means possible. In order for Asaka to have successfully pulled off such a switch, several factors would have to have aligned perfectly. First, Asaka would have to naturally bear a very strong resemblance to Agenda in order for anyone to have any chance at all of believing the deception; disguising as Haneda might fool Rum, depending on how good of an actor Asaka was, but the police would have easily discovered that the body was disguised and was not truly Haneda. Second, Asaka would have to have known when Rum was coming in order to know when to switch; unless you're proposing that Asaka made the switch and sent Haneda away long before the murders, then he would have to have received information about Rum's movements somehow to give him enough warning to switch with Haneda, though, if Asaka received enough warning to switch with Haneda and send him away, he should just as easily been able to take both Haneda and his client and escape. Third, even if we assume Asaka and Haneda were perfect doppelgangers, and that Asaka was able to get the information to send Haneda away, he and/or Haneda would have to have help within the police department in order to maintain the ruse; as I've pointed out, the police would have confirmed the identity through all available avenues, so even if the body looked like Haneda, the DNA and fingerprints wouldn't match, so Asaka or Haneda (presumably the latter, since at the time the switch would have been made, it wouldn't have been about fooling anyone into thinking Haneda was dead, but rather about fooling Rum into thinking Asaka was Haneda in hopes of taking him/her by surprise) would have had to have someone inside law enforcement giving fake results to those tests for them to reflect it was Haneda. In addition to all the things that would have to be just right for the switch to even be possible, there's one last thing to consider. Asaka was a bodyguard hired to protect the woman that was killed along with Haneda. In other words, Haneda was neither the client nor charge. Why, then, would Asaka send him away safely instead of the woman he was being paid to protect? If I were in that position, I would send the woman away and put on a wig and clothes similar to hers so someone watching from a distance would mistake me for her. This would lure Rum into thinking everything was normal, then when Rum moves on to strike, by the time he/she was close enough to realize the deception I would be able to strike back. In other words, I find it more likely that Asaka, no matter whether a man or woman, would try to switch places with his/her charge to trick Rum as opposed to switching with Haneda.

 

As I said, your theory was well thought out, but I just couldn't get past the very large hole in the middle of it. 

[Kurara-chan 13]

On 2/23/2017 at 4:22 PM, DCUniverseAficionado said:

 

I think it was this case:

 

Manga (File 635–File 637)

http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/Volume_61#Sports_Car_Arson_Case 

 

Anime (Episode 524–Episode 525)

http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/The_Blue_Spark_of_Hate

 

The one with Tokyo arson department yes.

 

Spoiler

With the last page focusing on Rumi, is the next case with her again?

 

[DCUniverseAficionado 252]

22 hours ago, Kurara-chan said:

With the last page focusing on Rumi, is the next case with her again?

 

Apparently not, since the end text says:

 

What on Earth are true intentions of that woman that doesn’t show her feelings… Next issue, new series where swordsman appears!!

[AnimeOtakuDrew 18]

Is chapter 989 already out? I looked on bato and couldn't find it. I'm looking forward to the resolution of this case.

[Jimmy-kud0-tv2 34]

3 minutes ago, AnimeOtakuDrew said:

Is chapter 989 already out? I looked on bato and couldn't find it. I'm looking forward to the resolution of this case.

 

give it another 36 hours. Its still late Monday / early Tuesday (depending on timezones). Baidu usually waits till closer to Wednesday (in my time zone, US central time zone)

[julia azrina 2]

4 hours ago, AnimeOtakuDrew said:

Is chapter 989 already out? I looked on bato and couldn't find it. I'm looking forward to the resolution of this case.

me too! tick-tock-tick-tock hahahhahaa

[Kurara-chan 13]

19 hours ago, DCUniverseAficionado said:

 

 

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Apparently not, since the end text says:

 

 

What on Earth are true intentions of that woman that doesn’t show her feelings… Next issue, new series where swordsman appears!!

 

Spoiler

Promotion for the movie? Is it gonna love theme again?

 

I hope for a longer than 4 chapters case

 

[Black Demon 466]

989 Chinese: https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5002111270

[gg1998 3]

On 26/02/2017 at 4:25 PM, AnimeOtakuDrew said:

A very interesting theory, and well thought out. That said, I have to point out one very large flaw in your logic. It would be impossible for Asaka to have switched places with Haneda Kohji. Haneda Kohji was a well known and renowned shogi master in Japan, therefore very recognizable. And even though the murder took place in America, the investigating police would have confirmed the identity of the deceased by every means possible. In order for Asaka to have successfully pulled off such a switch, several factors would have to have aligned perfectly. First, Asaka would have to naturally bear a very strong resemblance to Agenda in order for anyone to have any chance at all of believing the deception; disguising as Haneda might fool Rum, depending on how good of an actor Asaka was, but the police would have easily discovered that the body was disguised and was not truly Haneda. Second, Asaka would have to have known when Rum was coming in order to know when to switch; unless you're proposing that Asaka made the switch and sent Haneda away long before the murders, then he would have to have received information about Rum's movements somehow to give him enough warning to switch with Haneda, though, if Asaka received enough warning to switch with Haneda and send him away, he should just as easily been able to take both Haneda and his client and escape. Third, even if we assume Asaka and Haneda were perfect doppelgangers, and that Asaka was able to get the information to send Haneda away, he and/or Haneda would have to have help within the police department in order to maintain the ruse; as I've pointed out, the police would have confirmed the identity through all available avenues, so even if the body looked like Haneda, the DNA and fingerprints wouldn't match, so Asaka or Haneda (presumably the latter, since at the time the switch would have been made, it wouldn't have been about fooling anyone into thinking Haneda was dead, but rather about fooling Rum into thinking Asaka was Haneda in hopes of taking him/her by surprise) would have had to have someone inside law enforcement giving fake results to those tests for them to reflect it was Haneda. In addition to all the things that would have to be just right for the switch to even be possible, there's one last thing to consider. Asaka was a bodyguard hired to protect the woman that was killed along with Haneda. In other words, Haneda was neither the client nor charge. Why, then, would Asaka send him away safely instead of the woman he was being paid to protect? If I were in that position, I would send the woman away and put on a wig and clothes similar to hers so someone watching from a distance would mistake me for her. This would lure Rum into thinking everything was normal, then when Rum moves on to strike, by the time he/she was close enough to realize the deception I would be able to strike back. In other words, I find it more likely that Asaka, no matter whether a man or woman, would try to switch places with his/her charge to trick Rum as opposed to switching with Haneda.

 

As I said, your theory was well thought out, but I just couldn't get past the very large hole in the middle of it. 

I never implied it was my theory, but what if the bodyguard and Haneda already knew each other, to protect the lady better "ASACA" disguised as Haneda,because in that way nobody can figure out that the lady already has a body guard, because No Shogi master is generally recruited as bodyguards, in fact the lady spending a lot of time with the body guard would look like just another old fan-girl of the shogi master. BO aren't the mugging type assassins, they won't break into your hotel room to kill you at night, so the bodyguard had no need stay with his charge all the time. As far as the disguise goes, I'm pretty sure plastic surgery was done in the first place with consent of Haneda Kohji. DNA and fingerprint report doesn't mean anything if there isn't a DNA and fingerprint repository for all citizens, cause Haneda wasn't a criminal, if such repository wasn't there then fingerprint and DNA would be of no help for identification purposes. Though I would say it's a mere ridiculous rebuttal from my part against those people who are bent on proving that Rumi is Vermouth.

[Aries Bless 18]

A part of the shape (the upper part) of what is inside Rumi's pocket is a bit similar to a shogi piece. But I can't explain what the lower part is.