It's a poll about Asaka's identity

[gg1998 3]

Well, this is the Asaka poll, Rum poll will follow suit.

[MeiTanteixX 184]

I personally think that Asaka hasn't been introduced yet(or at the very least not been active in the Rum arc, if they have appeared in the past).

[gg1998 3]

• For me it's Iori. Iori fits the body-guard profile. BTW I've researched the name Iori Muga for reference.
• It seems that Iori= To become softer/meeker and Muga= Self renunciation. It's not like any pointing fact but his name suggests that he's become softer due to self renunciation.
• Wakasa Rumi, becomes Rumi=refugee, Wakasa= Youth. Someone who's a refugee since her youth.
• Wakita Kanenori becomes, Wakita=to ferment, Kane=golden, Nori=starch. Now we have a variety of golden molasses used in fermentaion to obtain Rum.
• Huye Kuroda becomes, Huye= a label, Kuroda= black diamond. Someone under the guise and really is as tough as a black diamond.

[DCUniverseAficionado 252]

8 hours ago, gg1998 said:

• For me it's Iori. Iori fits the body-guard profile.

 

If he is really 30, though, then he was 13 when Koji Haneda and Amanda Hughes were killed. So you have to either assume that this is a Shuichi/Subaru situation (where Subaru was introduced as a 27 year old (in File 623/Episode 509), but Shuichi is really 31-32), or argue with confidence that Amanda Hughes had a 13 year old bodyguard.

[gg1998 3]

His age is fake. I think Asaka is around late 30's to early forties. But his appearance as Iori makes him 30.

[DCUniverseAficionado 252]

2 hours ago, gg1998 said:

His age is fake. I think Asaka is around late 30's to early forties. But his appearance as Iori makes him 30.

 

Except for Shuichi/Subaru, though, there's no precedent for ages being inaccurate. So would you still declare his age fake if Shuichi hadn't faked his age as Subaru?

[gg1998 3]

7 hours ago, DCUniverseAficionado said:

 

Except for Shuichi/Subaru, though, there's no precedent for ages being inaccurate. So would you still declare his age fake if Shuichi hadn't faked his age as Subaru?

I'll, because there's none to back up his claim, just like Subaru.

[DCUniverseAficionado 252]

5 hours ago, gg1998 said:

I'll, because there's none to back up his claim, just like Subaru.

And there's also technically nothing to back up the age claims of many other characters, one-off or otherwise.

 

So is Muga Rum? Or were he and Rumi both arrayed against Rum that day, 17 years ago?

[gg1998 3]

If you're to hear my theory then it's like this.

1. Muga was Asaca the bodyguard of Amanda.
2. Rum killed Amanda by circumventing the bodyguard.
3. We know that Haneda and Amanda were on good terms.
4. So Rum disguised as Haneda to kill Amanda.
5. He entered into Haneda's room by impersonating someone close to Haneda.(Probably Wakasa Rumi)
6. Kills Haneda and takes his place and then waits for Amanda to visit his room.
7. Poisons the cake, using SB/prototype of APTX.
8. Amanda eats it and leaves and dies in her room. Probably Rum might have used some delayed release mechanism.
9. Muga(Asaka) is unaware of this stuff.
10. Muga escorts Amanda to her room, meanwhile Rum is cleaning up.
11. The real Rumi enters and sees the whole mess, instantly attacks Rum.
12. Rumi and Rum fight tooth and nail, but Rumi gets better off Rum and injures one of his eyes.
13. Rum retreats. Rumi sees the whole mess and retreats as probably the authorities would suspect her. As the dying message was her name, cause Rum disguised as Rumi.
14. Meanwhile Amanda dies and Muga figures the stuff out rushes to Haneda's room to confront him.
15. Meanwhile Akai senior(The CIA element of the case) goes to check on Haneda as Haneda was somehow related to the Akai's.
16. Sees Muga lurking around suspiciously, confronts him but Muga escapes.
17. That's how I think the whole case transpired.

[MeiTanteixX 184]

2 hours ago, gg1998 said:

If you're to hear my theory then it's like this.

1. Muga was Asaca the bodyguard of Amanda.
2. Rum killed Amanda by circumventing the bodyguard.
3. We know that Haneda and Amanda were on good terms.
4. So Rum disguised as Haneda to kill Amanda.

Where's the implications that Rum is a disguiser?

It just looks like baseless speculation that is trying to force it into making sense.

[DCUniverseAficionado 252]

2 hours ago, gg1998 said:

Poisons the cake, using SB/prototype of APTX.

Amanda eats it and leaves and dies in her room. Probably Rum might have used some delayed release mechanism.

Muga escorts Amanda to her room, meanwhile Rum is cleaning up.

 

He escorted the dead Amanda?

[gg1998 3]

59 minutes ago, MeiTanteixX said:

Where's the implications that Rum is a disguiser?

It just looks like baseless speculation that is trying to force it into making sense.

Not baseless if you look closely.

Do you have any proof to suggest that which was the first murder to take place?

Do You have any reason to back up why Amanda was killed effortlessly in her room despite having a BG but Haneda was killed and and his room was a terrible mess?

Amanda and Haneda knew each other so Rum disguised as Haneda had better chance to knock off Amanda despite the presence of the Body Guard.

If You care to take a look you're delving into a fallacy which indicates that Event A was more likely than Event B, so event A must have preceded Event B, like how Kohji's murder was done after Amanda's.

Where is the implication that Rum isn't a disguiser?

Here I see, you're missing a key point, that despite the presence of the Bodyguard Rum disposed off Amanda without making a fuss but got his ass handed in Kohji's case who didn't have a bodyguard?

Now ASACA==Rum is nullified by the dying message analysis, so the only thing remains that Rum was able to circumvent the bodyguard and killed Amanda. To do that Rum needs access to Amanda without any suspicion, now Haneda was a trusted acquaintance of Amanda.

Now it's impossible for Haneda Kohji to be Rum himself, so despite looking odd, the possible solution is that Rum decided to kill Haneda, take his place then kill Amanda, in this way Rum doesn't need to ruffle his feathers with the bodyguard. Haneda wasn't a trained fighter so killing him would have been an easy thing for Rum. Maybe Rum even thought of leaving hoim alive just to be framed for the murder, because after the death of Amanda the BG might have raised a hue and cry and testified that before her death Amanda was with Kohji, so Kohji would have been seriously gotten stuck and Rum goes out scot free. 

It's no more baseless than any theory prevailing in this forum, Like How Mary is Asaca, or How Rumi is Vermouth despite tonnes of evidence suggesting otherwise.

[gg1998 3]

25 minutes ago, DCUniverseAficionado said:

 

He escorted the dead Amanda?

Forgot to add, "Had already been"

[MeiTanteixX 184]

2 hours ago, gg1998 said:

Not baseless if you look closely.

Do you have any proof to suggest that which was the first murder to take place?

Amanda: Clean room, mysterious death(drug) --> Follows BO's M.O.

Haneda: Messy room, mysterious death(drug) + dying message --> Contradicts the M.O.

It's common sense that Haneda was killed last because of all the errors that wasn't dealt with, contrary to Amanda's murder. You wouldn't just leave a crime scene messy, and then clean the second crime scene.

 

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Do You have any reason to back up why Amanda was killed effortlessly in her room despite having a BG but Haneda was killed and and his room was a terrible mess?

As far as we know, the "BG" is completely gone. a mysterious disappearance, right after the double murder. We don't know anything of Asaka's physical capabilities and how their skill compares to Rum, so making assumptions like "Rum effortlessly killed Amanda" is baseless.

As for Haneda's room, we have the clear fact that Tsutomu was involved in that case. Gosho even recently confirmed that Akai Tsutomu was a "Jeet Kune Do" practitioner, which we have seen utilizes many violent and brutal techniques(like the eye-jab technique that Akai demonstrated in the flashback[that touched a lot on Tsutomu's disappearance]). Since the room was left messy, and since Kohji somehow found an opening to leave a message(immediately after being forcefully fed with the drug), it means that something interrupted Rum's assassination and clean-up. Tsutomu mentioned that he "made enemies with horrible people"("people" most likely referring to the black organization). It makes a lot more sense to piece those two together, meaning that Tsutomu interfered with Kohji's assassination and fought against Rum with his Jeet Kune Do skills(ultimately leaving a "terrible mess"), which gave Kohji the opening to leave the message. The eye-jab demonstration could have been a foreshadowing to when Tsutomu used it against Rum(blinding his vision in one eye), which would force him to flee.

 

So yes,... I have reasons and facts to back-up my speculations.

[Chekhov MacGuffin 1089]

Please forgive me for quoting myself, but what I said about Muga Iori 4 months ago is relevant here.

 

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I just want to get this out of the way, but there is a negative 100% chance that Rum is...
#1 Going to be the fetch pet of a high school girl.
#2 Occupy a bottom-feeding plot role as the underling of a third wheel.

 

It's true that VermiAraide was a school nurse. Amuro is a waiter sometimes. But there comes a point where even undercover evil realistically dares not tread because they become too ridiculous to be taken seriously. Somewhere on the far side of that line is Muga Iori: the side character grunt of a side character wench trying to usurp a side character's side character girlfriend position.

[gg1998 3]

4 hours ago, MeiTanteixX said:

Amanda: Clean room, mysterious death(drug) --> Follows BO's M.O.

Haneda: Messy room, mysterious death(drug) + dying message --> Contradicts the M.O.

It's common sense that Haneda was killed last because of all the errors that wasn't dealt with, contrary to Amanda's murder. You wouldn't just leave a crime scene messy, and then clean the second crime scene.

 

As far as we know, the "BG" is completely gone. a mysterious disappearance, right after the double murder. We don't know anything of Asaka's physical capabilities and how their skill compares to Rum, so making assumptions like "Rum effortlessly killed Amanda" is baseless.

As for Haneda's room, we have the clear fact that Tsutomu was involved in that case. Gosho even recently confirmed that Akai Tsutomu was a "Jeet Kune Do" practitioner, which we have seen utilizes many violent and brutal techniques(like the eye-jab technique that Akai demonstrated in the flashback[that touched a lot on Tsutomu's disappearance]). Since the room was left messy, and since Kohji somehow found an opening to leave a message(immediately after being forcefully fed with the drug), it means that something interrupted Rum's assassination and clean-up. Tsutomu mentioned that he "made enemies with horrible people"("people" most likely referring to the black organization). It makes a lot more sense to piece those two together, meaning that Tsutomu interfered with Kohji's assassination and fought against Rum with his Jeet Kune Do skills(ultimately leaving a "terrible mess"), which gave Kohji the opening to leave the message. The eye-jab demonstration could have been a foreshadowing to when Tsutomu used it against Rum(blinding his vision in one eye), which would force him to flee.

 

So yes,... I have reasons and facts to back-up my speculations.

Where does the evidence come from?

1) Why despite having a bodyguard Amanda's assassination was smooth while Haneda's being messy?

2)Your theory fails to answer it, you just clung on to the posthoc fallacy plus the illogical association fallacy, "That Haneda's room was messy, he left a dying message. So He was the last to be killed, because the cleanup wasn't done."

3)Here you miserably ignore the point that Haneda's room being messy doesn't mean Haneda was murdered in later point of time than Amanda's murder. It means something more, Rum was able to circumvent the Amanda's bodyguard but wasn't able to kill Haneda without making a mess.

4) So how could Rum was able to easily dodge Asaka but wasn't so lucky with Haneda's murder?

5) Only option is Rum posed as someone very close to Amanda to get the access to her and circumventing Asaka.

6) Haneda had a prior acquaintance with Amanda, it was there to be exploited by Rum.

7) When we were introduced to the case we're being primed by Conan to think that Haneda's case was just a collateral issue not the real deal. 

8) You just being another primed person is trying desperately to think Haneda murder as collateral damage you don't consider that it could have been the part of the plan.

9) Rumi showed a triggering response when someone mentioned about being hurt enough to use a prosthetic.

10) Rumi also thinks that there would be people interested in her and they won't be the one who had learnt recently about her from the news.

11) Rumi also showed considerable fighting skills, so for me the person who clashed with Rum was Rumi and Akai senior clashed with somebody else, like probably when he was investigating Rum while being in the CIA.

[Chekhov MacGuffin 1089]

@gg1998, you are asking some very specific questions of @MeiTanteixX we don't have the information to answer. Right now we are in the "nice story" stage of making inferences about the plot because we have some info, but not enough specifics to rule things out. The best we can do is come up with simple ideas that are consistent with the evidence. @MeiTanteixX's version of events is quite reasonable and pretty consistent with what we know, although it is hardly the only reasonable tale that can be spun. You should at least be able to acknowledge that much.

 

@gg1998, in my opinion you are premature in most of your arguments. You jump to conclusions like "Rum posed as someone very close to Amanda to get the access to her and circumventing Asaka" and think "Rum was able to easily dodge Asaka but wasn't so lucky with Haneda's murder" is illogical, but you haven't really justified any of that with evidence from the storyline that we know. We simply don't know who was where at what times and thus who was defended and who was undefended when things went down. The evidence of a good argument is that it constantly refers back to the source material.

 

Finally, the personal attacks you are making (e.g. "you miserably ignore the point", "You just being another primed person is trying desperately to think Haneda murder as collateral damage you don't consider that it could have been the part of the plan.") are unnecessarily demeaning. Cut that out. You can be civil with someone you disagree with.

[gg1998 3]

Fine, all I said was that he's ignoring such possibilities. It's nothing of an attack, though he called my theory baseless, despite it being just a theory.

Fine I'll relent.

Though I never dis-acknowledged theory, but the fact remains it's still theory, I only want to get my theory which is also consistent with the source material. Now asking direct questions like "How Rum is a sure shot disguiser ?" is also the same issue which you have pointed out. 

But why the interpretation that Haneda's murder was a last minute decision and a collateral damage is consistent with the story but Haneda's murder being a part of the bigger plan(Amanda's murder) is not?

Can you elaborate on that?

[DCUniverseAficionado 252]

23 hours ago, gg1998 said:

But why the interpretation that Haneda's murder was a last minute decision and a collateral damage is consistent with the story but Haneda's murder being a part of the bigger plan(Amanda's murder) is not?

Can you elaborate on that?

 

Perhaps you can tell us why you think it being part of the plan is more likely than it not being part of the plan.

 

As far as we know, Amanda was the one with the connections that made the BO want her out of the picture. Are you saying Koji had such connections, as well? Or did Amanda being a big fan of his, and the fact that, at the time, they ended up in the same hotel, lead to the BO making his elimination part of their plan (in other words, he was killed because of association to their main target and, also, proximity at the time they planned to assassinate her)?

[gg1998 3]

5 minutes ago, DCUniverseAficionado said:

 

Perhaps you can tell us why you think it being part of the plan is more likely than it not being part of the plan.

 

As far as we know, Amanda was the one with the connections that made the BO want her out of the picture. Are you saying Koji had such connections, as well? Or did Amanda being a big fan of his, and the fact that, at the time, they ended up in the same hotel, lead to the BO making his elimination part of their plan (in other words, he was killed because of association to their main target and, also, proximity at the time they planned to assassinate her)?

All I'm saying that there's a possibility of Haneda's murder being necessary for smoothly murdering Amanda.

• If we look at the things Amanda was wary that someone is after her, that's why she got a Bodyguard.
• Amanda was staying in a Hotel in USA, so it's highly unlikely that someone just comes in and murders her. If anyone wanted to murder her, they would have to pose as her visitor.
• But Amanda was wary and she won't let anyone in, without proper scrutiny.
• Suddenly her old acquaintance Haneda Koji comes up and stayed in the same Hotel.
• She trusted Haneda Kojhi.
• It's fairly easy for someone to pose as Haneda and then hand her the poisoned stuff. As she trusted Haneda , the culprit didn't even need to force it.
• But if the real Koji comes up then the whole plan is going to fail.
• That's why Koji was murdered so that whole thing remain underneath.
• This also explains that why the BG, wasn't able to stop the killer.

[Chekhov MacGuffin 1089]

14 hours ago, gg1998 said:

But why the interpretation that Haneda's murder was a last minute decision and a collateral damage is consistent with the story but Haneda's murder being a part of the bigger plan(Amanda's murder) is not?

Can you elaborate on that?

I don't know who is saying only one of those two is consistent, because it wasn't me.

 

Based on the website's testimony and the BO's MO, I do think Haneda Kohji's murder was either unplanned or planned but badly botched. In past BO cases that were part of the current timeline, the drug was a tool of last resort. Gin only dosed Shinichi at Tropical Land because a gunshot might have attracted nearby police. Gin approved Pisco's use of the drug if it was needed, but the main version of the plan was to drop a chandelier on the target's head and make it look like an accident. If the drug was used seventeen years ago when there was presumably even less data to support its efficacy than there is currently, that suggests circumstances were not ideal for Kohji's killer - assuming they were BO (and so far only BO have used the drug to kill).

Second, we lack a motive for Kohji's murder. Based on what Conan said, Amanda Hughes could have been a target because of her standing and connections to American law enforcement. Her murder was executed "cleanly" (exact method is unknown) which suggests prior intent and planning. All we know about Haneda Kohji now is that he was a shogi champion who many people thought could obtain all seven titles, and was decent at chess too apparently. Prior victims of the BO tend to be political inconveniences, spies, related to operatives, accomplices, or tools related to the research programs. Kohji doesn't seem to fall into any of those categories (for now), except that Amanda was his fan, which doesn't seem like a good reason to kill him on its own. If there isn't an obvious motive, then it becomes logical to assume that his murder was premeditated because it was convenient (e.g. to get him out of the way somehow) or it was not premeditated at all and he was killed because of an unexpected circumstance at the crime scene (e.g. he became a witness). Either way, the execution was messy, which is uncharacteristic for the BO and probably relates to Rum's screw-up.

Finally, looking at the big picture, in regular non-arc cases by Gosho, a messy crime scene where a dying message is left is by the victim is usually indicative of the murderer not being done cleanly, one that went wrong halfway, or one that was unplanned. Cases like this include The Antique Collector Murder Case, Alpine Hut in the Snowy Mountain Murder Case, Megure's Sealed Secret (Sonoko's close call specifically), The Secret Rushed Omission, The Lay Down and Wash Your Face Case, The Shadow Approaching Haibara's Secret (state of crime scene hut), and Taii's Owner Attack case (Kind of, no dying message but is a spur of the moment attack that resulted in damages to a table.
 

My best guess is that some member of the Black Organization murdered Haneda - because he is on the poisoned-with-APTX list - but that was not an intended or desirable method. Currently I am more inclined to think that Kohji's murder was not planned, rather than it being planned for convenience, but that is mostly based on my hunches about the evidence and my general observation that everyone but Gin seems to like killing the fewest people possible on missions. I can't really say one way or the other.

[gg1998 3]

1 minute ago, Chekhov MacGuffin said:

I don't know who is saying only one of those two is consistent, because it wasn't me.

 

Based on the website's testimony and the BO's MO, I do think Haneda Kohji's murder was either unplanned or planned but badly botched. In past BO cases that were part of the current timeline, the drug was a tool of last resort. Gin only dosed Shinichi at Tropical Land because a gunshot might have attracted nearby police. Gin approved Pisco's use of the drug if it was needed, but the main version of the plan was to drop a chandelier on the target's head and make it look like an accident. If the drug was used seventeen years ago when there was presumably even less data to support its efficacy than there is currently, that suggests circumstances were not ideal for Kohji's killer - assuming they were BO (and so far only BO have used the drug to kill).

Second, we lack a motive for Kohji's murder. Based on what Conan said, Amanda Hughes could have been a target because of her standing and connections to American law enforcement. Her murder was executed "cleanly" (exact method is unknown) which suggests prior intent and planning. All we know about Haneda Kohji now is that he was a shogi champion who many people thought could obtain all seven titles, and was decent at chess too apparently. Prior victims of the BO tend to be political inconveniences, spies, related to operatives, accomplices, or tools related to the research programs. Kohji doesn't seem to fall into any of those categories (for now), except that Amanda was his fan, which doesn't seem like a good reason to kill him on its own. If there isn't an obvious motive, then it becomes logical to assume that his murder was premeditated because it was convenient (e.g. to get him out of the way somehow) or it was not premeditated at all and he was killed because of an unexpected circumstance at the crime scene (e.g. he became a witness). Either way, the execution was messy, which is uncharacteristic for the BO and probably relates to Rum's screw-up.

Finally, looking at the big picture, in regular non-arc cases by Gosho, a messy crime scene where a dying message is left is by the victim is usually indicative of the murderer not being done cleanly, one that went wrong halfway, or one that was unplanned. Cases like this include The Antique Collector Murder Case, Alpine Hut in the Snowy Mountain Murder Case, Megure's Sealed Secret (Sonoko's close call specifically), The Secret Rushed Omission, The Lay Down and Wash Your Face Case, The Shadow Approaching Haibara's Secret (state of crime scene hut), and Taii's Owner Attack case (Kind of, no dying message but is a spur of the moment attack that resulted in damages to a table.
 

My best guess is that some member of the Black Organization murdered Haneda - because he is on the poisoned-with-APTX list - but that was not an intended or desirable method. Currently I am more inclined to think that Kohji's murder was not planned, rather than it being planned for convenience, but that is mostly based on my hunches about the evidence and my general observation that everyone but Gin seems to like killing the fewest people possible on missions. I can't really say one way or the other.

What do you think of these reasons?

All I'm saying that there's a possibility of Haneda's murder being necessary for smoothly murdering Amanda.

• If we look at the things Amanda was wary that someone is after her, that's why she got a Bodyguard.
• Amanda was staying in a Hotel in USA, so it's highly unlikely that someone just comes in and murders her. If anyone wanted to murder her, they would have to pose as her visitor.
• But Amanda was wary and she won't let anyone in, without proper scrutiny.
• Suddenly her old acquaintance Haneda Koji comes up and stayed in the same Hotel.
• She trusted Haneda Kojhi.
• It's fairly easy for someone to pose as Haneda and then hand her the poisoned stuff. As she trusted Haneda , the culprit didn't even need to force it.
• But if the real Koji comes up then the whole plan is going to fail.
• That's why Koji was murdered so that whole thing remain underneath.
• This also explains that why the BG, wasn't able to stop the killer.

 

[Chekhov MacGuffin 1089]

2 minutes ago, gg1998 said:

What do you think of these reasons?

All I'm saying that there's a possibility of Haneda's murder being necessary for smoothly murdering Amanda.

• If we look at the things Amanda was wary that someone is after her, that's why she got a Bodyguard.
• Amanda was staying in a Hotel in USA, so it's highly unlikely that someone just comes in and murders her. If anyone wanted to murder her, they would have to pose as her visitor.
• But Amanda was wary and she won't let anyone in, without proper scrutiny.
• Suddenly her old acquaintance Haneda Koji comes up and stayed in the same Hotel.
• She trusted Haneda Kojhi.
• It's fairly easy for someone to pose as Haneda and then hand her the poisoned stuff. As she trusted Haneda , the culprit didn't even need to force it.
• But if the real Koji comes up then the whole plan is going to fail.
• That's why Koji was murdered so that whole thing remain underneath.
• This also explains that why the BG, wasn't able to stop the killer.

 

 

That's a fine interpretation of events. But as I said several replies up, that is but one version of many potential stories that could be told. Here's one I came up with just now. Amanda is a Kohji fan, so she wanted to watch him play the American chess tournament. She checked into the hotel where the tournament was taking place in a room adjacent to Kohji's, maybe even one of those family rooms which has an adjoining door. Perhaps the killer, let's assume Rum because why not, it's his arc, stayed in the hotel as a chess competitor because the BO figured that Kohji would draw Amanda out. Rum could move without much scrutiny because as a chess player, he was scheduled and expected to be there. He doesn't even need a disguise if he knows how to exploit a time to act in where he can move without scrutiny. So sometime during the tourni, Rum sleeping-drugged the bodyguard with the intent to frame him/her, duplicated the Amanda's room key card, made sure the coast was clear, and went to Amanda's room to kill her. Unfortuntly Kohji next door heard something amiss and poked his head in, thus necessitating his murder. That part didn't go well and Kohji had time to leave a dying message. Maybe Rum got distracted for a bit because his eye got poked. Regardless Rum vanished back into the tournament like nothing happened (he could call in Vermouth to disguise as him while he relays her moves) and the bodyguard was left as the main suspect, so they took pictures/grabbed clues desperately in hopes their name would be cleared and revenge for Kohji and Amanda would be had one day and then ran for it. The end.

[gg1998 3]

36 minutes ago, Chekhov MacGuffin said:

 

That's a fine interpretation of events. But as I said several replies up, that is but one version of many potential stories that could be told. Here's one I came up with just now. Amanda is a Kohji fan, so she wanted to watch him play the American chess tournament. She checked into the hotel where the tournament was taking place in a room adjacent to Kohji's, maybe even one of those family rooms which has an adjoining door. Perhaps the killer, let's assume Rum because why not, it's his arc, stayed in the hotel as a chess competitor because the BO figured that Kohji would draw Amanda out. Rum could move without much scrutiny because as a chess player, he was scheduled and expected to be there. He doesn't even need a disguise if he knows how to exploit a time to act in where he can move without scrutiny. So sometime during the tourni, Rum sleeping-drugged the bodyguard with the intent to frame him/her, duplicated the Amanda's room key card, made sure the coast was clear, and went to Amanda's room to kill her. Unfortuntly Kohji next door heard something amiss and poked his head in, thus necessitating his murder. That part didn't go well and Kohji had time to leave a dying message. Maybe Rum got distracted for a bit because his eye got poked. Regardless Rum vanished back into the tournament like nothing happened (he could call in Vermouth to disguise as him while he relays her moves) and the bodyguard was left as the main suspect, so they took pictures/grabbed clues desperately in hopes their name would be cleared and revenge for Kohji and Amanda would be had one day and then ran for it. The end.

That's what I was intending, it's fine interpretation without contradicting the real plot-line. But let's say if someone comes up to your reply and calls your interpretation baseless what would you do? Because they're hell bent on their speculations that they would go as far as calling your theory baseless despite their's being unconfirmed.

[Chekhov MacGuffin 1089]

18 minutes ago, gg1998 said:

That's what I was intending, it's fine interpretation without contradicting the real plot-line. But let's say if someone comes up to your reply and calls your interpretation baseless what would you do? Because they're hell bent on their speculations that they would go as far as calling your theory baseless despite their's being unconfirmed.

Well, going back to what I said before, I think you were holding certain assumptions to be true that are currently not supported one way or the other, and you were getting called out for that. Two of ones I noticed is that you insisted several times that disguise was involved, and that Amanda's bodyguard was effective and certain to be a major obstacle for Amanda's killer. That's why in the story version I came up with on the spot above, I purposefully presented a viable option where disguise was not necessary and the bodyguard was easily dealt with.