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[Kirsch 95]

OMM: Finished Game of Thrones Season 1 in 3 days. Am planning to catch up to the rest before school starts. @Raki I think you were the first one who tried to convince me that GoT was worth it, but that was over a year ago  

 

@M.K. Casually avert your eyes...? That's what I do. Hating it without watching it is a bit unfair though. I don't know how it's like for your culture, but GoT does follow the Western high fantasy trend.

@Kid the Phantom Thief GoT is hardly a good source of education for the children. Even with a good historical base, the exaggerated amount of R18+ scenes isn't something I can justify. I found them to be generally shallow and surface, most nudity and sex having appeared in awkwardly cut and fitted scenes, but it does make it far easier to focus more on plot and world.

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On 8/27/2016 at 7:46 AM, Kid the Phantom Thief said:

 

The show isn't based on the politically correct modern society we live in, and you can't expect it to run like one. These things happened back then in the medieval and dark ages, and indeed still do to some extend; it only adds to the realism of the show. It might sometimes be a bit exaggerated? I don't know, but if you watch Game of Thrones for the nudity, you're a fool. You've got the whole internet for that kind of stuff.

You know marriages between cousins was a thing back then, as well as similar close-relative marriages, and sibling-relationships was commonplace in at least greek mythologies (just learned about it this week lol, a bunch of gods/titans married their sisters, just like the Targaryens), and no doubt in some societies as well (don't quote me on it).

Anyway, to leave these things out for the sake of a few sensitive souls such as yourself is silly, and it makes for a boring story. We want to watch something that's different from what we know and are used to, and it being historically accurate is a much-needed addition to shows these days. Then there is the fact that you focus only on these few aspects of the series, when in fact there is so much more to it! The different characters, factions, the relations between these and the intrigue and plotting all add together to make one hell of a story/world! The fact that there are dragons, 'zombies' and magical gods, what have you! Come on, don't tell me you wouldn't enjoy it? Best of all, everything feels real, like it could've happened in the real life if our world worked a bit differently.

 

So yes, it's silly you feel that way about GoT. I'm going to pull the old card of "but you're okay with gory stuff?!" (I know you're probably not alright with that, but take 'you' in the more general form), because frankly, how is that more acceptable than nudity and sex? To put it simply: it's not. They're both realities of life, so why be the fool who hides it away? That's a thing we're good at here in Scandinavia; we don't hide away these sensitive topics for the sake of sparing some innocent eyes and ears, but rather we 'embrace' (for the lack of a better word) it to inform people of the realities of life that is sex, nudity, even rape and gore. It's not that we approve it, or encourage it, but what better way to prevent horrible things from happening than educate people in it? If we stay ignorant, how will we know how to act in these situations?

 

There is just so much more to it than you think.

 

Just take Lord of the Rings, for example. That's a nice and cozy family film, right? No nudity, no sex. It's all good, yeah? Except thousands upon thousands of people are killed throughout the movies/books, the Shire is being seized and enslaved (only in the books). The Game of Thrones is similar, only it's on a much more personal and realistic level in the way it's being conveyed, not betraying the fact that these are people too.

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I'm really sorry KtPt. I really am but I'm gonna be a blunt (which I always state as I really am) ahole person for a bit so bear with me coz it's so effortful to always stick to niceness and politeness to internet people so I'm just gonna say what's in my mind (pun not-intented) uncensored.

 

Firstly, as the redditors/social media people on why they watch GoT, on the top of their list "b**bs and hot naked female characters" so it's not a foolish thing for them to watch the show over it.

 

Uhmm I just wanna say that GoT is definitely not historically accurate for the obvious reason that it's a fiction :V

 

As an allegory, yeah kinda but not even close. Yeah not really close, since it's only showing the nitpicked bad side (and an overexaggeration of it) of the Medieval Times which is not even related to one another. It's unrelated things that happened in the medieval times mixed in together to form the plot. Yeah, I know alot of Historians are praising it as "accurate" but if you actually see their interviews, they praise it for metaphorically portaying some stuffs in the medieval history accurately as one off scenes (like the wars) in the show and the book but as a whole picture, it was never stated as accurate.

 

Putting an example, let's say I put in a story that I theoterically formed on drawing inspiration from the Cold War, the Penguin Empire and the Persian Empire. My story goes like these there were like two empires called Penguina and Parsya and they had like these passive aggressive war with one another. There was no reported killings or anything but there was a constant show off of firearms and army between the two. Eventually, Parsya fell down because of Economic Crisis and inner turmoil making Penguina the victor of the war. (Did you like the story? :P) Anyways, historians would praise it as accurate like they'll say that Penguina is a depiction of Penguins in the Antarctica and Parsya as depiction of Persia and the war between them as the depiction of the Cold War itself but as a whole, it doesn't make sense since the Penguins and the Persian Empire never had a war between each other and the cold war happened between US and USSR.

 

So, you should definitely see the big picture of what happened in the Middle Ages before you say that it's Accurate as history. Firstly, it's called the Dark ages not because wars between Kingdoms were happening and it's like the end of the world but it's called like that mainly because the advancement of Humanity in Science, Medicine and etc etc was slowed down harshly by the Church and the most resulting deaths came from famine and widespread Diseases. Also, take note, the Pope was the most powerful person around those times and the Kings around those times are mostly under his command which I'm sure is not even portrayed in the Show. And there's the non-stop war and crusades between Muslims and the Church which contributed to the name of the Dark Ages.

 

As for Incest, marriages between cousins were a thing in Medieval Age (which even persists today) but it's mostly third/fourth/etc cousins. And for me personally, it's pretty blurry if it's incest when it's your second/third/etc cousin as far as genetics is concerned. As for sibling relationships, it's really rare but I'll give you the Egyptian pharaohs as an example but they're definitely not part of Medieval Age. :V And, please don't use the mythology as an argument since you are stating that GoT is "an accurate depiction of medieval history" and mythologies are definitely mytholgy.

Plus, I just wanna add that we are naturally repulsed in having a sexual/romantic relationship with our close relatives since Nature puts special barriers to that to prevent any sort of inbreeding which results in a lot of Genetic Disorders/Problem on the new born child.

Overall, George RR Martin reminds me of Herodutus and Homer. Wrote and told lots of nitpicked politically biased history and some even with added fairy tales on it.

Also, I would just watch an actual documentary about the Medieval Ages than watch a fantasy-ic interpretation of that era by a man, thank you very much.

Just to remind you. I only have general knowledge of European History, btw, so I ain't claiming myself as an expert but I can still give my opinion on this since I have some knowledge over this. But also, don't quote me on anything.

 

As for you implicating that I don't want the show to happen, I never said anything like that. I really don't care if you guys watch the show or not or if some of you guys loves nudity, gore, incest or rape whatever. If you watch the show, more power to you If you don't then, samething. I was just stating my opinion on the show so others can see two sides of the coin before watching it. I wasn't trying to stop you guys from watching it or being an activist here to stop the show. I respect your personal taste and you should respect mine too.

 

Yeah, sure dragons/zombies/magical gods. Those things don't really interests me whatsoever as much as you guys do. I like them to an extent coz they're kinda cool but like Nudity, when overused, it becomes like a selling mechanism in the show. Also, I heard that GoT is just a "footnote" of LotR so it becomes another reason on why I don't wanna watch it; Basically, a copy of LotR thus removing the uniqueness element from it. I really loved LotR not because of the candy eyed setting of the show (which I also liked) but because of Frodo and Sam. They were really both interesting characters.

 

I don't like Gore. I can take Gore to some degree but I don't like it. But even if I love it, it doesn't mean that I should like Nudity coz they are definitely still different to me as compared to you. It's a matter of opinion and/or personal taste which is different from person to person. It's like asking a person why do they not listen to rap as much as they listen to rock and reasoning out that they are the same that they are both music anyways.

 

Anyways, I'm not escaping from the harsh realities of life whatever you are saying. You sounded like a nudist activist and nihilist there for a second. It's like since we are naturally naked anyways on the inside of our clothes, we should all just get naked. As for gore, when was gore a reality of life? Violence is a fact of life in general but gore is not. Violence doesn't automatically equate gore. And, you can inform people about sex, gory violence and all that without having to visually depict them all the time on the show. It will all be the same if the show minimally portrays nudity in the show and for the other parts of it, you could just put a scene that happened afterwards; for example the aftermath of a rape, depict a girl (that is not nude) crying on the floor and some person seeing her and asking what happened. Then you know, the girl tells that she got raped and tells the story instead. As for violence, you don't need to add gore to it to inform people that there's a violent thing happening. People automatically understands scenes like when a sword is swung on someone and you hear the scream sound but you don't show the gore of what happened, we already understand someone was killed on those scenes.

 

Going to back to my "GoT is not accurate as history", it's never gonna happen again coz it never happened in the first place so there's nothing really to prevent whatsoever. Plus, even if it's true, it's already a well known establish fact to everyone who had gone to school that the past history was never peaceful so no need for people to watch GoT for the sake of preventing anything. If there's anything that need to be addressed right now, it's the terrorism/prelevant inequality between classes of people that's is still happening nowadays

 

And if what you are saying is true that alot of people watch GoT for historical information and to prevent it from happening again, then tell me, why don't I hear any people turning to activists who got touched by the story of GoT and formed a movmement preventing history from repeating itself? Heck. Those who I know who I watch don't really give a crap about history. Thing is, no one watches GoT for academic reasons and if you do, you're a silly-face coz GoT is a fictional piece. You watch documentaries and read academic books instead if you wanna learn something unadultered.

 

People watch it for entertainment and just admit that you watch it too for that reason and there's nothing wrong with it if you do. I was only voicing my opinion on my previous post as some sort of disclaimer for those people who wanna watch the show and might have the same strong invocation against nudity, gore and violence as I do coz you didn't put any of that. You just said said that it was the best without putting any warnings even not checking/forgetting the fact that the person you are talking to is a minor and the show that you are shoving to her is heavily rated for 18 and above only.

 

You didn't even think that there's a possibility that the person you are talking might not have any idea of what nudity/gore is or she might have a low tolerance towards gore/nudity. Now I'm not saying that she has no idea or have low tolerance towards it. (As I'm writing this, I read Kirsch' post so I guess not since Raki's the one who conviced her) But you know, you could end up introducing a new concept (not in a good way) to someone and end up traumatizing them.

 

But anyways, that's all I have to say. I really just replied to you in there to add a disclaimer to your post. Just next time, if the thing/show you're sharing/pushing is kinda controversional better put disclaimers on it.

 

(If you want to know why I disparage nudity, read my reply to Kenzi below. Just don't open the spoiler inside the spoiler.)

 

On 8/27/2016 at 3:18 PM, Kenzi said:

@M.K. I don’t think it’s fair to dismiss a show solely based on the fact that it incorporates explicit content (or even go so far as to say that you “hate” it), especially when you haven’t even given it a chance.

 

It’s a shame you generate this much animosity towards nudity and violence, because there are a ton of thought-provoking films and shows out there you’d be missing out on if you continue judging them through the same lens. 

 

 

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OMM: microaggressions :^)

I actually feel kinda bad for the presenters because this term is turning into a running gag. The seminar was just really hard to take seriously, hahahah.

 

OMM2: I’m really itchy :<

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As much as I wanna give it a try, I can't just push myself to watch something that will just makes me feel uncomfortable (or expectedly uncomfortable) throughout. As I said, it's for the reason of too much nudity and it portrays controversional topics (like I said incest and rape).

My hatred towards nudity and all the likes in publicly-available literature is more of deeply in-grained in me since I was young. I'm not disparaging it becoz majority of people loves nudity and all that. I'm no hipster or a person trying to be special. Anyways, I don't feel the need to explain myself to you or to KtPt or to anyone here but I kinda think I should so you can actually see through my lens, as you say. First of all, as I said, it really makes me feel really unconsciously uncomfortable watching things like these on shows or movies. I ain't pushing myself to feel uncomfortable towards it whatever. It just happens.

And then, a really big reason is I'm a gray-A. Not saying that all Asexuals dislikes public Nudity but really read on personal sides of other Asexuals. You'll see that some of them shares the same sentiment as me; that they also dislikes too much nudity on shows or movies coz of valid reasons. Altho, on another side of the spectrum, you have asexuals who aren't bothered but is not crazed over it either like most heteros or homos are, like @machine there who I believe is an Asexual too as an example (I'm sure she watches GoT).

 

So anyways, my actual logical reasoning against too much nudity on shows is that it's a cheap move. No matter what you tell me, it's a really really cheap move. It's nothing more than a plot device to magnetize young people, especially guys, to watch the show. Visual Nudity is an already tried and guaranteed business move that attracts alot of people. I mean just look at how many people watches/searches porn everyday and tell me that it doesn't work. And if you do not believe me that alot of people watches the show for the sake of nudity, then I shall direct you to some reddit threads for proof, if you want. I'm gonna be vulgar here a bit but most of them puts "sex, boobies and hot naked female characters" on the reasons why they watch the show. I'm really really certain that if there was no nudity or too much sexual tension and the male/female characters were less glamorous than they are, only actual  high fantasy fans would be watching it.

 

I have also some proof that it does happen that when there's a sudden drop of romance/sexual tension or the characters are not as 'hot' as the beforehand characters on the show, the show suffers alot of viewership losses. This is such a coincidence but happened on the current show that I'm watching, Dr Who, the lead character who's a really young guy who formed a lot of fan girls following coz they say he is 'hot' was replaced by a really old man and then the female supporting character who looks like a typical teenage looking girl, who's really flirty and added sexual/romantic tension to the show was replaced by a mature woman. After that replacement and the complete step away from romance and sexualization, it had a huge drop of viewers, in comparison to the last 6 years of the show's run before that. Also, it formed alot of hates towards the new lead and the supporting character.

 

So yeah, my hatred towards too much nudity on shows tends to be reasoned out. I really don't hate things for no reason. It just really pisses me off that, there are alot of shows there who actually invests heavily in developing good plot and characters and they don't use the 'add hot characters and nudity' lifeline, are completely beaten easily by shows that does the vice versa and I'm telling you that I've seen some couple of shows before who uses lots of nudity and toilet humor plot device and they always have crappy plot and one sided characters.

 

Also, I just wanna clear out that I said in my previous post that I'm fine with nudity and sex scenes as long as they are kept to a minimum and is pretty relevant to the genre. It's only those shows/movies who puts too much of it that I tend to hate.

 

On violence on the otherhand, I actually don't hate violence in shows/movies. In fact, I love some violence. It's just the gore that makes me a bit feel icky on the skin. (like I hate seeing blood oozing out, it makes me nausetic.)

 

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Btw, I'm not a fan of projecting likes, dislikes, hobbies and personal beliefs on someone coz hey that's what makes them the person they are and that's whats makes us unique from one another. I do recommend things that I find interesting to people but I always put disclaimer on things and I also don't call them stupid, idiot or put out a passive aggressive argument towards them and debate with them coz I completely respect other people's personal tastes.

 

It's one thing to debate with people (with respect and no personal attacks) over factual and general matters (like Global Warming, war and all that), it's another over personal matters coz there's nothing to learn and settle on arguments like that. You're just gonna piss off people for minding their businesses unless that's what you wanna do in the first place.

 

 

On 8/27/2016 at 7:59 PM, Traxex said:

 

 

Once you do something, you cant bring back what's done and gone.

 

Not all presidents are scared by media and critics. Some of them even able to made critics and media shut up. I don't like HRW by the way and I favored capital punishments for drugs, terrorism and planned murder. Religion and Human Rights cannot save someone from capital punishment if he/she is guilty.

 

Drug cartels and terrorists may have high-tech arsenal too.

 

Right here in the Phil, I'm kinda scared here that our President might get deposed from his position since almost every media outlet is attacking him and like the Church here too have a negative view towards him. Western Media and U.N. are starting to take notice and is portraying him as some sort of murder machine and as I said, he was already given alot of warnings. The people tho have a really really positive view towards him so I hope he doesn't get removed from position coz I have really high hopes in his leadership.
 
Actually yeah, since most drug lords are really rich, they tend to have private armies and maybe even weaponry you wouldn't think that they would have. As for terrorists, I don't really think so. They tend to use more practical weapons like poisonous gasses or home-made bombs or they steal tanks or weapons from armies which you'll hear in news sometimes. I mean the fact that they don't have really any big constant business going on that gives them stable income pretty much prevents them from acquiring high tech weapons. But I dunno, I'm just logicalizing things so I'm most likely wrong.

 

 

19 hours ago, Kjeldahl said:

 

 

May the Gods, both old and new bless you with many heirs that will bring glory to your house.

 

On my mind : Naruto anime is gonna end on 8th September. I dont know what to feel

What about me? D: Pardon me my Lord, that I hate the show that you love D: D: Please don't send me to hell.

 

@Kirsch - I think I have a really really low tolerance towards these stuff as compared to you so hats off to you madame that you are able to watch it. It just makes me unconsciously uncomfortable even the slightest of it for no reason at all. As for hating it, read my reply on Kenzi, if you wanna see through my own eyes and kinda get a bit of understanding of my side. (Just don't open the spoiler inside the spoiler :V)

 

Also, I have watched shows/movies like that before LotR being one of that which I freaking love. Actually you should be able to take LotR easily if you are able to watch GoT.

 

On My Mind #1: I'm really thinking of investing on Stock Market after my older Brother introduced me to the concept and he like urged me to invest as soon as possible to maximize things. It's just that I really wanna financially secure myself when I like reach the age where I feel like not working anymore and also in case of emergencies. I know it's a long shot to plan right now since I'm still really young but like being a drop out, altho I might still go back and get a degree someday, it's such a risky life and there's really big chances that I might fail miserably in life. Plus, eventho let's say that I kinda succeed, things can suddenly turn around at you and anyways, I'm such a risk taker. So like, it's still good to have that buffer money that is completely mine that I can just remit if really needed.

 

I mean I know I could just save up money in the bank instead but thing is, compared to that, investing your money in stocks will make it grow exponentially albeit really slow as time passes by with little maintenance as compared to just stagnating it in the bank. Altho, there's some risk to it but like it's really low.

 

To anyone reading this, I actually urge you to do the same. The concept of investing long term in stock market and maintaining your stocks is not that hard to get and to do as long as you know basic math. There's tons of articles and videos explaining it and as far as I know, you can legally invest around 18 or 21 depending on where you live but , you can ask your parent(s) or guardian(s) to invest for you if you are younger than the legal age. (Warren Buffet, a billionaire, invested a penny at age 11 and just reinvested and reinvested)

 

Thing is, it's way better than saving up money in the bank coz as I said, your money will grow with time thus completely removing the strain of saving up more money that you earned the hard way. You can just originally invest like 1000$ when you are 18 and never invest anything more than that and most likely when you reach 40-50, it would reach around a hundred thousand to a million unless you take out money from it when it was growing and not reinvest anything back or are just really unlucky and stupid. I recommend you to do it for the primary reason of long term commitment of saving money for emergencies and retirement not for other short term reasons like doubling your 1000$ in a month coz you'll mostly fail miserably. If things go well and you are patient, you wouldn't really need to worry about failing in life in terms of finance coz you have something to pull out from if things don't go well.

 

(It's not gambling btw as oppossed to what people say. :V It's hard to explain but Stocks/Share is a concept of ownership in Business. So like if I buy even 1 stock in Microsoft, I can legally say that I'm an owner of Microsoft to some degree.)

 

On My Mind #2: Captain Jack Harkness, you sexy man. Why did they remove you from the show? D: Anyways, just finished DW awhile ago and I can't wait for the new season which will be next year tho EDIT: All in all, Doctor who as a whole is really depressing. It portrays the life of an immortal being doomed to be the guardian of the universe. It really changed my view about immortality and death. It showed how it can also get tiring to live if you lived for a really really long time and how sad it is to see everyone you know and love die before you and how it's just gonna repeat over and over again if you are to live forever. So, I guess yeah, I affirm now that death is what basically makes life "beautiful"

 

Anyways anyways, I have enough motivation now to watch the classic who since I really loved the show and the Doctor. It has like over 700+ episodes from what I heard so just enough to get me by till next year. Yay! xD

 

 

On My Mind #3: Gahd. I have a dandruff infestation. My scalp is so itchy D:

 

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3 hours ago, M.K. said:

 

Right here in the Phil, I'm kinda scared here that our President might get deposed from his position since almost every media outlet is attacking him and like the Church here too have a negative view towards him. Western Media and U.N. are starting to take notice and is portraying him as some sort of murder machine and as I said, he was already given alot of warnings. The people tho have a really really positive view towards him so I hope he doesn't get removed from position coz I have really high hopes in his leadership.
 
Actually yeah, since most drug lords are really rich, they tend to have private armies and maybe even weaponry you wouldn't think that they would have. As for terrorists, I don't really think so. They tend to use more practical weapons like poisonous gasses or home-made bombs or they steal tanks or weapons from armies which you'll hear in news sometimes. I mean the fact that they don't have really any big constant business going on that gives them stable income pretty much prevents them from acquiring high tech weapons. But I dunno, I'm just logicalizing things so I'm most likely wrong.

 

 

No one can remove him from his position as Philippine citizens had positive view on him. Media and UN have weakness as they cannot interfere a nation's sovereign rights, and the latter'll attack them back.

 

In Indonesia, the police are allowed to shot drug dealers if they resist on the spot.

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6 hours ago, M.K. said:

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I'm really sorry KtPt. I really am but I'm gonna be a blunt (which I always state as I really am) ahole person for a bit so bear with me coz it's so effortful to always stick to niceness and politeness to internet people so I'm just gonna say what's in my mind (pun not-intented) uncensored.

 

Firstly, as the redditors/social media people on why they watch GoT, on the top of their list "b**bs and hot naked female characters" so it's not a foolish thing for them to watch the show over it.

 

Uhmm I just wanna say that GoT is definitely not historically accurate for the obvious reason that it's a fiction :V

 

As an allegory, yeah kinda but not even close. Yeah not really close, since it's only showing the nitpicked bad side (and an overexaggeration of it) of the Medieval Times which is not even related to one another. It's unrelated things that happened in the medieval times mixed in together to form the plot. Yeah, I know alot of Historians are praising it as "accurate" but if you actually see their interviews, they praise it for metaphorically portaying some stuffs in the medieval history accurately as one off scenes (like the wars) in the show and the book but as a whole picture, it was never stated as accurate.

 

Putting an example, let's say I put in a story that I theoterically formed on drawing inspiration from the Cold War, the Penguin Empire and the Persian Empire. My story goes like these there were like two empires called Penguina and Parsya and they had like these passive aggressive war with one another. There was no reported killings or anything but there was a constant show off of firearms and army between the two. Eventually, Parsya fell down because of Economic Crisis and inner turmoil making Penguina the victor of the war. (Did you like the story? :P) Anyways, historians would praise it as accurate like they'll say that Penguina is a depiction of Penguins in the Antarctica and Parsya as depiction of Persia and the war between them as the depiction of the Cold War itself but as a whole, it doesn't make sense since the Penguins and the Persian Empire never had a war between each other and the cold war happened between US and USSR.

 

So, you should definitely see the big picture of what happened in the Middle Ages before you say that it's Accurate as history. Firstly, it's called the Dark ages not because wars between Kingdoms were happening and it's like the end of the world but it's called like that mainly because the advancement of Humanity in Science, Medicine and etc etc was slowed down harshly by the Church and the most resulting deaths came from famine and widespread Diseases. Also, take note, the Pope was the most powerful person around those times and the Kings around those times are mostly under his command which I'm sure is not even portrayed in the Show. And there's the non-stop war and crusades between Muslims and the Church which contributed to the name of the Dark Ages.

 

As for Incest, marriages between cousins were a thing in Medieval Age (which even persists today) but it's mostly third/fourth/etc cousins. And for me personally, it's pretty blurry if it's incest when it's your second/third/etc cousin as far as genetics is concerned. As for sibling relationships, it's really rare but I'll give you the Egyptian pharaohs as an example but they're definitely not part of Medieval Age. :V And, please don't use the mythology as an argument since you are stating that GoT is "an accurate depiction of medieval history" and mythologies are definitely mytholgy.

Plus, I just wanna add that we are naturally repulsed in having a sexual/romantic relationship with our close relatives since Nature puts special barriers to that to prevent any sort of inbreeding which results in a lot of Genetic Disorders/Problem on the new born child.

Overall, George RR Martin reminds me of Herodutus and Homer. Wrote and told lots of nitpicked politically biased history and some even with added fairy tales on it.

Also, I would just watch an actual documentary about the Medieval Ages than watch a fantasy-ic interpretation of that era by a man, thank you very much.

Just to remind you. I only have general knowledge of European History, btw, so I ain't claiming myself as an expert but I can still give my opinion on this since I have some knowledge over this. But also, don't quote me on anything.

 

As for you implicating that I don't want the show to happen, I never said anything like that. I really don't care if you guys watch the show or not or if some of you guys loves nudity, gore, incest or rape whatever. If you watch the show, more power to you If you don't then, samething. I was just stating my opinion on the show so others can see two sides of the coin before watching it. I wasn't trying to stop you guys from watching it or being an activist here to stop the show. I respect your personal taste and you should respect mine too.

 

Yeah, sure dragons/zombies/magical gods. Those things don't really interests me whatsoever as much as you guys do. I like them to an extent coz they're kinda cool but like Nudity, when overused, it becomes like a selling mechanism in the show. Also, I heard that GoT is just a "footnote" of LotR so it becomes another reason on why I don't wanna watch it; Basically, a copy of LotR thus removing the uniqueness element from it. I really loved LotR not because of the candy eyed setting of the show (which I also liked) but because of Frodo and Sam. They were really both interesting characters.

 

I don't like Gore. I can take Gore to some degree but I don't like it. But even if I love it, it doesn't mean that I should like Nudity coz they are definitely still different to me as compared to you. It's a matter of opinion and/or personal taste which is different from person to person. It's like asking a person why do they not listen to rap as much as they listen to rock and reasoning out that they are the same that they are both music anyways.

 

Anyways, I'm not escaping from the harsh realities of life whatever you are saying. You sounded like a nudist activist and nihilist there for a second. It's like since we are naturally naked anyways on the inside of our clothes, we should all just get naked. As for gore, when was gore a reality of life? Violence is a fact of life in general but gore is not. Violence doesn't automatically equate gore. And, you can inform people about sex, gory violence and all that without having to visually depict them all the time on the show. It will all be the same if the show minimally portrays nudity in the show and for the other parts of it, you could just put a scene that happened afterwards; for example the aftermath of a rape, depict a girl (that is not nude) crying on the floor and some person seeing her and asking what happened. Then you know, the girl tells that she got raped and tells the story instead. As for violence, you don't need to add gore to it to inform people that there's a violent thing happening. People automatically understands scenes like when a sword is swung on someone and you hear the scream sound but you don't show the gore of what happened, we already understand someone was killed on those scenes.

 

Going to back to my "GoT is not accurate as history", it's never gonna happen again coz it never happened in the first place so there's nothing really to prevent whatsoever. Plus, even if it's true, it's already a well known establish fact to everyone who had gone to school that the past history was never peaceful so no need for people to watch GoT for the sake of preventing anything. If there's anything that need to be addressed right now, it's the terrorism/prelevant inequality between classes of people that's is still happening nowadays

 

And if what you are saying is true that alot of people watch GoT for historical information and to prevent it from happening again, then tell me, why don't I hear any people turning to activists who got touched by the story of GoT and formed a movmement preventing history from repeating itself? Heck. Those who I know who I watch don't really give a crap about history. Thing is, no one watches GoT for academic reasons and if you do, you're a silly-face coz GoT is a fictional piece. You watch documentaries and read academic books instead if you wanna learn something unadultered.

 

People watch it for entertainment and just admit that you watch it too for that reason and there's nothing wrong with it if you do. I was only voicing my opinion on my previous post as some sort of disclaimer for those people who wanna watch the show and might have the same strong invocation against nudity, gore and violence as I do coz you didn't put any of that. You just said said that it was the best without putting any warnings even not checking/forgetting the fact that the person you are talking to is a minor and the show that you are shoving to her is heavily rated for 18 and above only.

 

You didn't even think that there's a possibility that the person you are talking might not have any idea of what nudity/gore is or she might have a low tolerance towards gore/nudity. Now I'm not saying that she has no idea or have low tolerance towards it. (As I'm writing this, I read Kirsch' post so I guess not since Raki's the one who conviced her) But you know, you could end up introducing a new concept (not in a good way) to someone and end up traumatizing them.

 

But anyways, that's all I have to say. I really just replied to you in there to add a disclaimer to your post. Just next time, if the thing/show you're sharing/pushing is kinda controversional better put disclaimers on it.

 

(If you want to know why I disparage nudity, read my reply to Kenzi below. Just don't open the spoiler inside the spoiler.)

 

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As much as I wanna give it a try, I can't just push myself to watch something that will just makes me feel uncomfortable (or expectedly uncomfortable) throughout. As I said, it's for the reason of too much nudity and it portrays controversional topics (like I said incest and rape).

My hatred towards nudity and all the likes in publicly-available literature is more of deeply in-grained in me since I was young. I'm not disparaging it becoz majority of people loves nudity and all that. I'm no hipster or a person trying to be special. Anyways, I don't feel the need to explain myself to you or to KtPt or to anyone here but I kinda think I should so you can actually see through my lens, as you say. First of all, as I said, it really makes me feel really unconsciously uncomfortable watching things like these on shows or movies. I ain't pushing myself to feel uncomfortable towards it whatever. It just happens.

And then, a really big reason is I'm a gray-A. Not saying that all Asexuals dislikes public Nudity but really read on personal sides of other Asexuals. You'll see that some of them shares the same sentiment as me; that they also dislikes too much nudity on shows or movies coz of valid reasons. Altho, on another side of the spectrum, you have asexuals who aren't bothered but is not crazed over it either like most heteros or homos are, like @machine there who I believe is an Asexual too as an example (I'm sure she watches GoT).

 

So anyways, my actual logical reasoning against too much nudity on shows is that it's a cheap move. No matter what you tell me, it's a really really cheap move. It's nothing more than a plot device to magnetize young people, especially guys, to watch the show. Visual Nudity is an already tried and guaranteed business move that attracts alot of people. I mean just look at how many people watches/searches porn everyday and tell me that it doesn't work. And if you do not believe me that alot of people watches the show for the sake of nudity, then I shall direct you to some reddit threads for proof, if you want. I'm gonna be vulgar here a bit but most of them puts "sex, boobies and hot naked female characters" on the reasons why they watch the show. I'm really really certain that if there was no nudity or too much sexual tension and the male/female characters were less glamorous than they are, only actual  high fantasy fans would be watching it.

 

I have also some proof that it does happen that when there's a sudden drop of romance/sexual tension or the characters are not as 'hot' as the beforehand characters on the show, the show suffers alot of viewership losses. This is such a coincidence but happened on the current show that I'm watching, Dr Who, the lead character who's a really young guy who formed a lot of fan girls following coz they say he is 'hot' was replaced by a really old man and then the female supporting character who looks like a typical teenage looking girl, who's really flirty and added sexual/romantic tension to the show was replaced by a mature woman. After that replacement and the complete step away from romance and sexualization, it had a huge drop of viewers, in comparison to the last 6 years of the show's run before that. Also, it formed alot of hates towards the new lead and the supporting character.

 

So yeah, my hatred towards too much nudity on shows tends to be reasoned out. I really don't hate things for no reason. It just really pisses me off that, there are alot of shows there who actually invests heavily in developing good plot and characters and they don't use the 'add hot characters and nudity' lifeline, are completely beaten easily by shows that does the vice versa and I'm telling you that I've seen some couple of shows before who uses lots of nudity and toilet humor plot device and they always have crappy plot and one sided characters.

 

Also, I just wanna clear out that I said in my previous post that I'm fine with nudity and sex scenes as long as they are kept to a minimum and is pretty relevant to the genre. It's only those shows/movies who puts too much of it that I tend to hate.

 

On violence on the otherhand, I actually don't hate violence in shows/movies. In fact, I love some violence. It's just the gore that makes me a bit feel icky on the skin. (like I hate seeing blood oozing out, it makes me nausetic.)

 

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Btw, I'm not a fan of projecting likes, dislikes, hobbies and personal beliefs on someone coz hey that's what makes them the person they are and that's whats makes us unique from one another. I do recommend things that I find interesting to people but I always put disclaimer on things and I also don't call them stupid, idiot or put out a passive aggressive argument towards them and debate with them coz I completely respect other people's personal tastes.

 

It's one thing to debate with people (with respect and no personal attacks) over factual and general matters (like Global Warming, war and all that), it's another over personal matters coz there's nothing to learn and settle on arguments like that. You're just gonna piss off people for minding their businesses unless that's what you wanna do in the first place.

 

But I dunno, I'm just logicalizing things so I'm most likely wrong.

 

That is the best sentence I've heard in a while.

[Metantei Kiddo 147]

11 hours ago, Traxex said:

 

No one can remove him from his position as Philippine citizens had positive view on him. Media and UN have weakness as they cannot interfere a nation's sovereign rights, and the latter'll attack them back.

 

In Indonesia, the police are allowed to shot drug dealers if they resist on the spot.

Well I hope so but the fact that the media has been furiously antagonizing him, theres definitely a possibility that he will get deposed and theres nothing the people can do about it.

 

Well its like that here now. Before you can just run away with big chances of never getting caught again

9 hours ago, detConShin said:

That is the best sentence I've heard in a while.

What sentence there?

 

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On My Mind: I would rather live with certainty in my heart that every story is completely closed off in my past or will-be past, for the rest of my life, than live with regret over my own choices. Definitely, I do.

[Maltavite 61]

16 minutes ago, M.K. said:

Well I hope so but the fact that the media has been furiously antagonizing him, theres definitely a possibility that he will get deposed and theres nothing the people can do about it.

 

 

I don't think so as the media can't 'antagonizing' some country like Russia, Iran or et cetera as they'll counter antagonizing them with their own media if they did. The journalists do not have nerve to come to these countries and any media who antagonize Duterte will regret their decision.

[Akazora 293]

It's pretty great that I'll be able to watch this live since it falls right between my first and second classes of Thursday, but WHY IS THIS ABOUT THE 3DS AND NOT THE NX???

NINTENDO NO BAKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

(oh who am I kidding, I'm totally going to get hyped over this even if I know nothing of great import is going to be revealed)

 

[Raki 15]

OMM: I really like our new Caporales group shirts but the weird patch on it is kinda uncomfortable....

[Metantei Kiddo 147]

6 hours ago, Traxex said:

 

I don't think so as the media can't 'antagonizing' some country like Russia, Iran or et cetera as they'll counter antagonizing them with their own media if they did. The journalists do not have nerve to come to these countries and any media who antagonize Duterte will regret their decision.

Yeah. He's a bit like if you don't stop then I have no choice but to stop you kind of person but sometimes he never follows through coz he still really respects the law since he used to be a lawyer and it's so easy for him to get removed from position by the senate or the supreme court in here  if he starts acting like a complete dictator coz it's definitely against the law in here. So, he can't just do any "dictatorial" way to shut the media off. Plus, personally, to me, I would want him to respect the law coz it's the law goddamit.

 

His tactics is a bit more on using "words"/psychology to scare off his critics or anyone he wants to scare off. Basically, he plays mind games with them like there's this thing going on here, where there is this senator who is really critical of him since day one who recently, he started attacking relentlessly (after his warnings to stop attacking him) by revealing that that senator has some alleged involvement with syndicates (alleged=not yet proven) and he accused the senator of having an affair etc etc. The senator broke down after that (she's even portrayed crying by the media) and started accusing the president of being really really unfair towards her and that it's an attack on her dignity.

 

He's basically your worst nightmare to pick a war on if you care about your dignity, being respected and accepted by people. Coz on him, on the otherhand, he doesn't feel the need to be dignified.

 

As for Putin and his Russia, as far as the west is making him look like a devil, I've found no reason to think that he 100% is. He only does things for the interest of his own people so you can't really hate him. He is really really well loved by the Russians and anyone who did some research on history of Russia/USSR knows that when the soviet union collapsed, the country was almost in the brink of extinction for awhile but when Putin came in to power. He really rebuilt Russia and made it to what it is today. On the Crimean annexation, for example, if you are only skimming the news and you have a biased view against the Russians, you would think that they are the oppressors here. But if you actually do some bits of research, I know alot of people who is reading this might be surprised on this but most Crimeans wants Crimea to be part of Russia. So it's really not right for the west to care about this. I'm like "Hey, these are the guys who is pushing "democracy" on global scale yet they can't even respect the choice of the majority".

 

I'm not praising Putin here or anything but it's definitely not fair for anyone to view him as completely evil just because everyone you know says so without doing any sort of further investigation on what he actually did on his political career.

 

Anyways, I'm going in tangents haha.

 

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On My Mind: Hmmm.... I found out that Russia relies on oil trade to power it's economy that's really interesting. And then you have China and alot of other Asian economical powerhouses, on the otherhand, who relies on manufacturing. And then you have the Middle East with their oil too. I'm seeing some sort of big picture of what might be going on here. Holding other countries by their necks? CONSPIRACY CONSPIRACY

 

Nah. I'm probably just thinking too much. I'm paranoid and an overthinker sometimes. D:

 

On My Mind #2: Just heard that Putin supports Trump. :3 Also, I just wanna clear out that altho I don't really give that much crap on American Elections but I just wanna say that I don't like Trump but I wouldnt go far on saying that I hate him. I can see the rationality on some of his views but only some.

[Maltavite 61]

25 minutes ago, M.K. said:

Yeah. He's a bit like if you don't stop then I have no choice but to stop you kind of person but sometimes he never follows through coz he still really respects the law since he used to be a lawyer and it's so easy for him to get removed from position by the senate or the supreme court in here  if he starts acting like a complete dictator coz it's definitely against the law in here. So, he can't just do any "dictatorial" way to shut the media off. Plus, personally, to me, I would want him to respect the law coz it's the law goddamit.

 

His tactics is a bit more on using "words"/psychology to scare off his critics or anyone he wants to scare off. Basically, he plays mind games with them like there's this thing going on here, where there is this senator who is really critical of him since day one who recently, he started attacking relentlessly (after his warnings to stop attacking him) by revealing that that senator has some alleged involvement with syndicates (alleged=not yet proven) and he accused the senator of having an affair etc etc. The senator broke down after that (she's even portrayed crying by the media) and started accusing the president of being really really unfair towards her and that it's an attack on her dignity.

 

He's basically your worst nightmare to pick a war on if you care about your dignity, being respected and accepted by people. Coz on him, on the otherhand, he doesn't feel the need to be dignified.

 

As for Putin and his Russia, as far as the west is making him look like a devil, I've found no reason to think that he 100% is. He only does things for the interest of his own people so you can't really hate him. He is really really well loved by the Russians and anyone who did some research on history of Russia/USSR knows that when the soviet union collapsed, the country was almost in the brink of extinction for awhile but when Putin came in to power. He really rebuilt Russia and made it to what it is today. On the Crimean annexation, for example, if you are only skimming the news and you have a biased view against the Russians, you would think that they are the oppressors here. But if you actually do some bits of research, I know alot of people who is reading this might be surprised on this but most Crimeans wants Crimea to be part of Russia. So it's really not right for the west to care about this. I'm like "Hey, these are the guys who is pushing "democracy" on global scale yet they can't even respect the choice of the majority".

 

I'm not praising Putin here or anything but it's definitely not fair for anyone to view him as completely evil just because everyone you know says so without doing any sort of further investigation on what he actually did on his political career.

 

Anyways, I'm going in tangents haha.

 

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On My Mind: Hmmm.... I found out that Russia relies on oil trade to power it's economy that's really interesting. And then you have China and alot of other Asian economical powerhouses, on the otherhand, who relies on manufacturing. And then you have the Middle East with their oil too. I'm seeing some sort of big picture of what might be going on here. Holding other countries by their necks? CONSPIRACY CONSPIRACY

 

Nah. I'm probably just thinking too much. I'm paranoid and an overthinker sometimes. D:

 

On My Mind #2: Just heard that Putin supports Trump. :3 Also, I just wanna clear out that altho I don't really give that much crap on American Elections but I just wanna say that I don't like Trump but I wouldnt go far on saying that I hate him. I can see the rationality on some of his views but only some.

 

I had a friend from Russia who knew several Ukrainians and they said that they hated the current government.

 

By the way I decided to stop talking about politics because it's less interesting to talk about it here.

 

OMM: DoTA 2's new hero, Underlord was based on unused Pit Lord (according to my friend).

[Metantei Kiddo 147]

5 minutes ago, Traxex said:

 

I had a friend from Russia who knew several Ukrainians and they said that they hated the current government.

 

By the way I decided to stop talking about politics because it's less interesting to talk about it here.

 

OMM: DoTA 2's new hero, Underlord was based on unused Pit Lord (according to my friend).

Yeah, sorry that I went on another whole topic there. Anyone who've talked to me knows that I tend to go in tangents and overshare a lot

 

[phantomlady1101 59]

OMM: Hyde is love, Hyde is life.

[Ayuna Yume 6]

OMM: I really hope I can jump from the fourth floor of my school and still alive without any injuries...

OMM 2: The most pitiful 3 words IMO is 'Nothing Is Impossible'...I feel sorry for those who thinks it true...

[machine 52]

OMM 1: Persona 5's finally out! 

it won't be released in NA until February, but I've been looking forward to P5 since 2014 and knowing the wait's almost over is very   

spoilers maybe: I really like Goro's all out attack screen. What little we saw of his character seemed so chill and calm, for lack of a better way of putting it, but he has the biggest smile in his AOA. All the other characters are posing in their AOA screens, so I find it really interesting/amusing that the arguable most bland party member has the most dynamic AOA. And his phantom thief costume is ridiculous, but it's ridiculous in a good way

 

OMM 2: tfw new phone 

I'm going from an iphone 5c to a galaxy s6 and im very excited. Assuming the tracking's not off, it'll get here in a day or two, and 

this is the case I'm gonna get for it and I've never been so hyped to overpay for something 

 

[Akazora 293]

OMM:

DICKS OUT ?!

[Raki 15]

OMM: We learned a new step for Caporales but I keep tripping over my feet when doing the turning part

[Erza Scarlet 104]

all my life i thought i was a good singer.... until they made me sing Bohemian Rhapsody.

[Henry Gordan 20]

I got my laptop ready

[Raki 15]

OMM: Wow I can't believe I didn't procrastinate on my project this time. I'm glad I didn't because it's looking great.

[premiumemo 37]

OMM: The new biopic movie on MS Dhoni is pure awesome <3

[machine 52]

OMM 1: I wish we still had signatures 

OMM 2: tfw it's October and there's still a bunch of stuff you have to accomplish before the end of the year 

[premiumemo 37]

@machine signaturesssssss <3 oh my, i miss them now

[machine 52]

OMM: Quiet... so very quiet...

 

7 hours ago, Aadikudo said:

@machine signaturesssssss <3 oh my, i miss them now

 

Yup :c While the lack of them does make some older threads more readable since a handful of old users had huge signatures, I miss seeing what everyone had their's as. 

[Raki 15]

OMM: I wonder how Halloween's gonna go with all the idiots in clown costumes taking over the States....

[Metantei Kiddo 147]

11 hours ago, Raki said:

OMM: I wonder how Halloween's gonna go with all the idiots in clown costumes taking over the States....

Not an American but I expect Halloween costume parties with people cosplaying as Harley Quinn and/or the Joker :V

 

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On My Mind: Just finished Mr. Robot. It was freaking awfully average. And like, I thought it would really be good but it was bad. I mean it was marketed as a show about hacking and taking down Evil Corp but like what you would get is more the drama and the culture around it and the trying too hard inception-style thema which is awfully scripted and executed and doesn't cut right through and it's all over the place and like 5% of the show is only about the planning and hacking the Corporation. Midway around the first season, it was a drag watching it and I just finished 2 seasons for the reason that I already downloaded and I had no choice but to finish it. It's overhyped and overrated for me after watching it, probably rated high, coz it's a Freedom-oriented American show, no offense. On the otherhand, I started watching Sherlock and the first episode was a huge relief from Mr. Robot. It was really good. *fingers crossed* I hope the show won't let me down.