Talk:Black Organization Appearances

Episodes

That list of episodes is a little outdated and incorrect at some points. I'll get to work soon on fixing it. And of course, any help is appreciated. CarpetCrawler^{message me} 04:20, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good. I just wanted to get rid of the Appearances paragraph on the Black Organization page. --Maurice 05:38, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Appearances of Gin, Vodka, Vermouth, etc...

So, should we make separate pages for the appearances of B.O. members, or should we list them here? The only problem with listing them here is that I'm not sure that would work, unless we were to do a template like B.O. Appearances or something like that. What does everyone else suggest? CarpetCrawler^{message me} 22:50, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Who matters ?

I would like to fill this Appearances page but I don't know exactly which members I have to consider.

I'm pretty sure I should include :

• Gin
• Vodka
• Vermouth / Chris Vineyard / Sharon Vineyard / Scar Akai
• Chianti
• Korn
• Bourbon / Tooru Amuro / Scar Akai
• Kir / Hidemi Hondou / Rena Mizunashi
• Tequila
• Pisco / Kenzou Masuyama
• Calvados
• Atsushi Miyano
• Elena Miyano
• Rikumichi Kusuda
• Ethan Hondou

And I'm not sure about :

• Ki'ichiro Numabuchi
• Rye / Shuichi Akai
• Akemi Miyano / Masami Hirota
• Sherry / Shiho Miyano

What do you guys think about it ?

I'd cast my vote for considering Numabuchi, Akemi, and Sherry as an adult only as Black Org, but I'd leave Akai off. Chekhov MacGuffin ^talk 16:51, 24 April 2013 (PDT)

That's what I planned to do at first, but then I realized : why include, say, Kir and her father, and not Akai ? After all, they are/were all undercover agents who worked actively for the Organization (we can imagine what Akai must have done to earn his codename). Besides that, are my other choices OK ? Maxdefolsch (talk) 19:18, 24 April 2013 (PDT)

Perhaps we only count those people who are/were still inside the BO at the time? (Flashbacks and backgrounds included).

For example, Akemi had never officially left the org until the time of her death, and every flashback/background regarding her is (of course) about her time inside the org, so we should consider all of her appearances as BO.

For Sherry, we only consider the flashbacks/backgrounds of her since she was still inside the org at the moment; however, her appearances as Haibara and even her adult form in Haido Hotel and Gunma are not counted because she's not a member anymore.

Therefore, we don't count Numabuchi and Akai's real-person appearances, but maybe flashbacks and the like can be considered.

About Kir, since she's still inside the BO for now, I say we include her appearances so far. Should she betray/leave the org in the future, we'll stop counting at that point.

This is only my personal opinion though. I wouldn't mind if anyone included every one of them at all. --- BLACK DEMON | Reply 19:50, 24 April 2013 (PDT)

Hey, that seems like a good idea. I think I'll do that, unless someone has an objection. Maxdefolsch (talk) 03:14, 25 April 2013 (PDT)

It is okay to include people who at the time of the episode weren't revealed as a member of BO, yes? It would make more sense that way. People who come to this page should be vary of spoilers anyway and it would make it more useful as a rewatch list for episodes with BO. --88.196.239.80 14:53, 19 October 2013 (PDT)

I think a lot of those are already in there. I noticed Vermouth's disguised appearances are there as well as Amuro's. Haibara and Akai are exempted because they aren't acting BO. What is missing? Chekhov MacGuffin ^talk 16:15, 20 October 2013 (PDT)

Edit, Ah, I was looking at the manga chapters. The anime chapters are pretty much Black Org as Black Org only. I think you would be within bounds to add the disguised episodes, provided you mark those episodes disguise (or whatever other descriptor fits) like the way it is done in the manga section. Chekhov MacGuffin ^talk 16:19, 20 October 2013 (PDT)

AFAIK most of Amuro's appearances are missing. I've also located some minor "Araide" appearances that are missing. Now while Araide is no doubt a disguise, can the same be said for Amuro (he's not marked as disguised for the manga chapters)? And how interested are people in disguised and background tags? --88.196.239.80 17:08, 20 October 2013 (PDT)

The appearances sections often fall behind in updates, so Amuro not being up to date is not surprising. Amuro not being marked as a disguise makes sense. I'd say the tags are important. We are rigorous about them on other appearance pages, and in this case they are the only differentiators between episodes where the BO shows up vs getting discussed as a sidelight to another case. Practically, if someone wants to do a rewatch of the BO eps and used this list to pick what to watch, they would focus on the big clash ones, which are mostly the eps that aren't marked background or disguise. Chekhov MacGuffin ^talk 17:36, 20 October 2013 (PDT)