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17 years ago [[Kohji Haneda]] and [[Amanda Hughes]] were found dead in their hotel rooms. Kohji had managed to leave a mysterious dying message that may indicate that a member of the [[Black Organization]] was involved.
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{{nihongo|'''Case from 17 years ago'''|十七年前の事例|Jū nana-nen mae no jirei}} is the case in which [[Kohji Haneda]] and [[Amanda Hughes]] were found dead in their hotel rooms. Kohji had managed to leave a mysterious dying message that may indicate that a member of the [[Black Organization]] was involved.
  
 
== Cast ==
 
== Cast ==
 
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Kohji Haneda, a shogi player, went to the US to participate in a chess competition at the Juke Hotel, however the day before the match he was found murdered in his hotel room. According to a website with numerous photos of the crime scene, his room was a total mess which was chalked up to a struggle between Kohji and his assailant. The website reported that the cause of his death remains unclear, but Haibara recalls his name was on the APTX 4869 victims list. On the same day in a different hotel room Amanda Hughes, a wealthy person who has contacts with both the FBI and CIA, was found murdered and the cause of her death is also unclear.
 
Kohji Haneda, a shogi player, went to the US to participate in a chess competition at the Juke Hotel, however the day before the match he was found murdered in his hotel room. According to a website with numerous photos of the crime scene, his room was a total mess which was chalked up to a struggle between Kohji and his assailant. The website reported that the cause of his death remains unclear, but Haibara recalls his name was on the APTX 4869 victims list. On the same day in a different hotel room Amanda Hughes, a wealthy person who has contacts with both the FBI and CIA, was found murdered and the cause of her death is also unclear.
  
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Amanda had been a fan of Kohji's and had been in contact with him in the past. She had visited his hotel room some time before the murder, her fingerprints were found on the door handle, sofa, tea cups, knife, and fork. After the murder there were tea cups, plates, and a hand mirror found smashed on the floor of Kohji's room. Several defensive wounds were found on Kohji's arms and his palm was bruised from gripping a pair of scissors very tightly. There were some bruises on his face as well. In Kouji's room, the sink in the bathroom was even left running. Amanda's own room, on the other hand, was neat and tidy, as though nothing had happened. It is not known who was murdered first.
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Amanda had been a fan of Kohji's and had been in contact with him in the past. She had visited his hotel room some time before the murder, her fingerprints were found on the door handle, sofa, tea cups, knife, and fork. After the murder there were tea cups, plates, and a hand mirror found smashed on the floor of Kohji's room. Several defensive wounds were found on Kohji's arms and his palm was bruised from gripping a pair of scissors very tightly. There were some bruises on his face as well. In Amanda's room, the sink in the bathroom was even left running. It is not known who was murdered first.
  
 
On the day of the murders Amanda's bodyguard, who she called "Asaka", disappeared. Currently Asaka is the prime suspect in both murders. Neither relatives or acquaintances of Amanda know when Asaka was hired on as her bodyguard. It is currently unknown whether Asaka is a given name or a surname. If it were a given name then it would be likely that Asaka would be female, however if it were a surname then it would not be possible to determine the gender. At some point Asaka was seen holding a hand mirror, which leads Gaito Hotta to believe that Asaka is a woman. As a bodyguard, it is thought that Asaka is skilled at bringing down opponents.
 
On the day of the murders Amanda's bodyguard, who she called "Asaka", disappeared. Currently Asaka is the prime suspect in both murders. Neither relatives or acquaintances of Amanda know when Asaka was hired on as her bodyguard. It is currently unknown whether Asaka is a given name or a surname. If it were a given name then it would be likely that Asaka would be female, however if it were a surname then it would not be possible to determine the gender. At some point Asaka was seen holding a hand mirror, which leads Gaito Hotta to believe that Asaka is a woman. As a bodyguard, it is thought that Asaka is skilled at bringing down opponents.
  
 
Rumi Wakasa has had a flashback of meeting Kohji. During this flashback, Kohji was in possession of a Bishop (Kaku) shogi piece and says a shogi proverb related to the piece. Rumi's flashback also includes Kohji's body after the murder. Currently, Rumi seems to be in possession of the Bishop shogi piece. She has carried the piece with her in her back pocket, as well as placing it face down on her desk near her laptop, showing its promoted side (Ryuma). She remembers Kohji has being a fool and, when Conan asked her what she was doing, she had difficulty to come back to her senses, which means this flashback really marked her.
 
Rumi Wakasa has had a flashback of meeting Kohji. During this flashback, Kohji was in possession of a Bishop (Kaku) shogi piece and says a shogi proverb related to the piece. Rumi's flashback also includes Kohji's body after the murder. Currently, Rumi seems to be in possession of the Bishop shogi piece. She has carried the piece with her in her back pocket, as well as placing it face down on her desk near her laptop, showing its promoted side (Ryuma). She remembers Kohji has being a fool and, when Conan asked her what she was doing, she had difficulty to come back to her senses, which means this flashback really marked her.
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Kohji kept the Bishop shogi piece as a good luck charm, which was missing at the crime scene of the murder. It was thought by the police the murderer took it.
  
 
Tsutomu Akai was either involved in the case or its aftermath. As a result, he made enemies with some really bad people (Black Organization) and sent a message to his family telling them to move to Japan for safety. Since then Tsutomu has not been seen, leading many to believe that he is dead. However, his body has never been found and his death is thus unconfirmed.
 
Tsutomu Akai was either involved in the case or its aftermath. As a result, he made enemies with some really bad people (Black Organization) and sent a message to his family telling them to move to Japan for safety. Since then Tsutomu has not been seen, leading many to believe that he is dead. However, his body has never been found and his death is thus unconfirmed.
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Gaito Hotta had obtained information that states that Asaka had been seen holding a hand mirror to claim that Asaka was a woman. However it is unclear whether this is first or second-hand information. Mary thinks that this information was "boring", seemingly expecting to know more information about Asaka from the so-called "soul detective" Gaito.
 
Gaito Hotta had obtained information that states that Asaka had been seen holding a hand mirror to claim that Asaka was a woman. However it is unclear whether this is first or second-hand information. Mary thinks that this information was "boring", seemingly expecting to know more information about Asaka from the so-called "soul detective" Gaito.
  
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A woman whose name, {{nihongo|Rumi Wakasa|若狭留美|Wakasa Rumi}}, bears similar spelling to the dying message of the Kohji case appears at Conan's school. When Hyoue Kuroda learns of this person's appearance on the news, he seems to make a connection between her and the Kohji case and implies that he might know her by saying "that's not like that person at all" when he was told she was going camping.
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A woman whose name, Rumi Wakasa, bears similar spelling to the dying message of the Kohji case appears at Conan's school. When Hyoue Kuroda learns of this person's appearance on the news, he seems to make a connection between her and the Kohji case and implies that he might know her by saying "that's not like that person at all" when he was told she was going camping. She also keeps Kohji's good luck charm, the Bishop shogi piece inside her back pocket.
  
 
Currently the list of people who know about the case are as follows: Conan, Haibara, Agasa, Shuichi, Masumi, Mary, Kogoro, Gin, Vodka, Bourbon, Vermouth, Kuroda, and Rumi. Shukichi seems to be aware of Kohji's death, but it is unclear what he knows, or what his connection to Kohji is, since he is called a 'non-biological brother'.
 
Currently the list of people who know about the case are as follows: Conan, Haibara, Agasa, Shuichi, Masumi, Mary, Kogoro, Gin, Vodka, Bourbon, Vermouth, Kuroda, and Rumi. Shukichi seems to be aware of Kohji's death, but it is unclear what he knows, or what his connection to Kohji is, since he is called a 'non-biological brother'.
  
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== Dying message ==
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== Dying message from Haneda ==
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After the murder there were tea cups, plates, and a hand mirror found smashed on the floor of Kohji's room. The mirror had writing on it that Haibara recognized as saying "PUT ON MASCARA", however it had been broken so that only "P T O N" remained. Kohji's palm was bruised from gripping a pair of scissors very tightly. The sink in Amanda's bathroom was even left running. It seems as if Kohji was attacked in the bathroom and turned the sink on, then ran water over the mirror to use the scissors to cut the mirror up, although it's unclear how he managed to do that during such circumstances. With the letters "P T O N" removed, the message remaining is "U MASCARA", which can be arranged to make "ASACA RUM". Though this is a way to decipher the dying message, it's unknown if this is the correct way to interpret the message, or that it was originally created by Kohji, or if the message was altered at all by someone.
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After the murder there were tea cups, plates, and a hand mirror found smashed on the floor of Kohji's room. The mirror had writing on it that Haibara recognized as saying "PUT ON MASCARA", however it had been broken so that only "P T O N" remained. Kohji's palm was bruised from gripping a pair of scissors very tightly. The sink in Kohji's bathroom was even left running. It seems as if Kohji was attacked in the bathroom and turned the sink on, then ran water over the mirror to use the scissors to cut the mirror up, although it's unclear how he managed to do that during such circumstances. With the letters "P T O N" removed, the message remaining is "U MASCARA", which can be arranged to make "ASACA RUM". Though this is a way to decipher the dying message, it's unknown if this is the correct way to interpret the message, or that it was originally created by Kohji, or if the message was altered at all by someone. In fact, Kohji left the dying message even if he is suffering "bone-melting" pain. It is theorized that the Bishop shogi piece in Rumi's possession may also be a part of the dying message, that she removed from the scene. There is a slight bruise in the palm of the hand that Kohji held the scissors, the piece may have originally been there: actually, Haneda gave it to her.
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It is theorized that the Bishop shogi piece in Rumi's possession may also be a part of the dying message, that she removed from the scene. There is a slight bruise in the palm of the hand that Kohji held the scissors, the piece may have originally been there.
 
  
 
The Black Organization is aware of the dying message. Because of the "ASACA RUM" interpretation they seem to be chasing any references to ASACA that they find.
 
The Black Organization is aware of the dying message. Because of the "ASACA RUM" interpretation they seem to be chasing any references to ASACA that they find.
  
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Some time after, Subaru discussed the dying message with [[Yusaku Kudo|Yusaku]], and both arrived at the conclusion that the message might only form one word: "CARASUMA", which refers to [[Renya Karasuma]], a multi-millionaire who is supposed to have been dead for at least forty years, and who might be the Black Organization's head.
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Some time after, Subaru discussed the dying message with [[Yusaku Kudo|Yusaku]], and both arrived at the conclusion that the message might only form one word: "CARASUMA", which refers to [[Renya Karasuma]], a multi-millionaire who is supposed to have been dead for at least twenty years, and who might be the Black Organization's head.
  
 
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| style="vertical-align: top"|[[File:broken mirror letters.jpg|thumb|left|x150px|Broken mirror dying message.]]
 
| style="vertical-align: top"|[[File:broken mirror letters.jpg|thumb|left|x150px|Broken mirror dying message.]]
 
| style="vertical-align: top"|[[File:scissors and bruise.jpg|thumb|left|x150px|Gripping the scissors tightly.]]
 
| style="vertical-align: top"|[[File:scissors and bruise.jpg|thumb|left|x150px|Gripping the scissors tightly.]]
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| style="vertical-align: top"|[[File:Conan messy room.jpg|thumb|left|x150px|The water was left running in Amada's room.]]
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| style="vertical-align: top"|[[File:running bathroom tap.jpg|thumb|left|x150px|The water was left running in Kohji's bathroom.]]
 
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== Dying message from Amanda ==
  
 
== APTX connection ==
 
== APTX connection ==
 
Even though the cause of death is unclear in both cases, only Kohji's name appeared on the [[List of Black Organization related characters#APTX 4869 Victims|APTX 4869 victims list]]. However it is interesting to note that Kohji's name appeared two names below Shinichi's name on the list. Haibara thinks that the person who compiled the victims list may not have compiled it chronologically, but rather in some other fashion, like blood type.
 
Even though the cause of death is unclear in both cases, only Kohji's name appeared on the [[List of Black Organization related characters#APTX 4869 Victims|APTX 4869 victims list]]. However it is interesting to note that Kohji's name appeared two names below Shinichi's name on the list. Haibara thinks that the person who compiled the victims list may not have compiled it chronologically, but rather in some other fashion, like blood type.
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In [[Volume 104|Chess Tournament Murder Case]], it is fully revealed that both of them were killed by APTX4869.
  
 
Since Haibara states that the drug she worked on was created from the burnt remains from the data left behind by her parents, she says that its possible that Kohji was made to ingest an early prototype made by her parents. Haibara hasn't mentioned whether Amanda Hughes' name is on the list or not.
 
Since Haibara states that the drug she worked on was created from the burnt remains from the data left behind by her parents, she says that its possible that Kohji was made to ingest an early prototype made by her parents. Haibara hasn't mentioned whether Amanda Hughes' name is on the list or not.
  
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Rumi, who we now know was present 17 years ago, is currently in possession of the APTX victims list.
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Rumi, who we now know was present seventeen years ago, is currently in possession of the APTX victims list.
 
[[File:APTX 4869 victim list 2.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Partial list of APTX 4869 victims.]]
 
[[File:APTX 4869 victim list 2.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Partial list of APTX 4869 victims.]]
 
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== Anime changes ==
 
== Anime changes ==
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* Given that the Romanized spelling of Asaca and Rum in the dying message is important, it seems relevant to note that the Romanized spelling of "Kohji" was changed for the anime version to "Kouji". <!--Arguably varying versions of Romanization could explain the reason why the dying message of the case uses a C rather than a K since both make the same sound. -->
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* Given that the Romanized spelling of Asaca and Rum in the dying message is important, it seems relevant to note that the Romanized spelling of "Kohji" was changed for the anime version to "Kouji".<!--Arguably varying versions of Romanization could explain the reason why the dying message of the case uses a C rather than a K since both make the same sound.-->
  
 
== Speculation ==
 
== Speculation ==
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A mysterious individual, the uploader, is in possession of detailed crime scene photographs and case information. This includes pictures of Kohji's dying message hand mirror broken on the ground prior to Asaka removing a hand mirror from the scene. This unknown uploader posts this information online, seemingly asking for the case to be solved.
 
A mysterious individual, the uploader, is in possession of detailed crime scene photographs and case information. This includes pictures of Kohji's dying message hand mirror broken on the ground prior to Asaka removing a hand mirror from the scene. This unknown uploader posts this information online, seemingly asking for the case to be solved.
  
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Information about the case was online at the time Okiya and Conan solved the "The Clenched Scissors and the Clipped Letters" case, but was removed by the beginning of the "Soul Detective Murder Case". The reason why the information was deleted and the identity of the one doing the takedowns --perhaps the uploader themselves or another force who wishes to scrub the essential details of Kohji's case from the internet-- is still uncertain.
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Information about the case was online at the time Okiya and Conan solved the "The Clenched Scissors and the Clipped Letters" case, but was removed by the beginning of the "Soul Detective Murder Case". The reason why the information was deleted and the identity of the one doing the takedowns (perhaps the uploader themselves or another force who wishes to scrub the essential details of Kohji's case from the internet) is still uncertain.
  
 
It should be noted that current Police Superintendent [[Hyoue Kuroda]] has access to the information on the website and seems to see some sort of connection to Elementary teacher [[Rumi Wakasa]]. Some fans speculate that it is possible that Rumi is the one uploading the information to the site due to her name being a close letter scramble of the dying message ASAKA RUM and her method of approaching Conan.
 
It should be noted that current Police Superintendent [[Hyoue Kuroda]] has access to the information on the website and seems to see some sort of connection to Elementary teacher [[Rumi Wakasa]]. Some fans speculate that it is possible that Rumi is the one uploading the information to the site due to her name being a close letter scramble of the dying message ASAKA RUM and her method of approaching Conan.
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* [[Rumi Wakasa]]
 
* [[Rumi Wakasa]]
 
* [[List of Black Organization related characters]]
 
* [[List of Black Organization related characters]]
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* [[Hyoue Kuroda]]
  
 
{{APTX 4869}}
 
{{APTX 4869}}

Latest revision as of 16:27, 14 April 2023

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Conan reads about the case online.

Case from 17 years ago (十七年前の事例 Jū nana-nen mae no jirei?) is the case in which Kohji Haneda and Amanda Hughes were found dead in their hotel rooms. Kohji had managed to leave a mysterious dying message that may indicate that a member of the Black Organization was involved.

Cast

Description

Kohji Haneda, a shogi player, went to the US to participate in a chess competition at the Juke Hotel, however the day before the match he was found murdered in his hotel room. According to a website with numerous photos of the crime scene, his room was a total mess which was chalked up to a struggle between Kohji and his assailant. The website reported that the cause of his death remains unclear, but Haibara recalls his name was on the APTX 4869 victims list. On the same day in a different hotel room Amanda Hughes, a wealthy person who has contacts with both the FBI and CIA, was found murdered and the cause of her death is also unclear.

Amanda had been a fan of Kohji's and had been in contact with him in the past. She had visited his hotel room some time before the murder, her fingerprints were found on the door handle, sofa, tea cups, knife, and fork. After the murder there were tea cups, plates, and a hand mirror found smashed on the floor of Kohji's room. Several defensive wounds were found on Kohji's arms and his palm was bruised from gripping a pair of scissors very tightly. There were some bruises on his face as well. In Amanda's room, the sink in the bathroom was even left running. It is not known who was murdered first.

On the day of the murders Amanda's bodyguard, who she called "Asaka", disappeared. Currently Asaka is the prime suspect in both murders. Neither relatives or acquaintances of Amanda know when Asaka was hired on as her bodyguard. It is currently unknown whether Asaka is a given name or a surname. If it were a given name then it would be likely that Asaka would be female, however if it were a surname then it would not be possible to determine the gender. At some point Asaka was seen holding a hand mirror, which leads Gaito Hotta to believe that Asaka is a woman. As a bodyguard, it is thought that Asaka is skilled at bringing down opponents.

Rumi Wakasa has had a flashback of meeting Kohji. During this flashback, Kohji was in possession of a Bishop (Kaku) shogi piece and says a shogi proverb related to the piece. Rumi's flashback also includes Kohji's body after the murder. Currently, Rumi seems to be in possession of the Bishop shogi piece. She has carried the piece with her in her back pocket, as well as placing it face down on her desk near her laptop, showing its promoted side (Ryuma). She remembers Kohji has being a fool and, when Conan asked her what she was doing, she had difficulty to come back to her senses, which means this flashback really marked her.

Kohji kept the Bishop shogi piece as a good luck charm, which was missing at the crime scene of the murder. It was thought by the police the murderer took it.

Tsutomu Akai was either involved in the case or its aftermath. As a result, he made enemies with some really bad people (Black Organization) and sent a message to his family telling them to move to Japan for safety. Since then Tsutomu has not been seen, leading many to believe that he is dead. However, his body has never been found and his death is thus unconfirmed.

Gin comments that this case is a job in which Rum screwed up, clarifying that Rum was present, or at least involved some way or another, and that things did not happen according to plan back then.

Aftermath

Kuroda connects Rumi to the Kohji case.

Mary Sera took her family to Japan as instructed by her husband's text. Mary also gave birth to Masumi around that time. Shuichi Akai then left his family to study abroad in the United States with the intention of obtaining a green card and joining the FBI to find out what happened to his father. Shukichi Akai eventually leaves the family as well, changing his family name to Haneda. He also claims to be a non-blood brother of Kohji and possesses his fan that has his motto.

When Conan learns that the case involved APTX, he finds information about the case that had been uploaded to the internet. Even when it gets taken down the person who uploaded it tries to re-upload it. Conan thinks that it's almost if they are saying "Please help me solve this mystery!".

Gaito Hotta had obtained information that states that Asaka had been seen holding a hand mirror to claim that Asaka was a woman. However it is unclear whether this is first or second-hand information. Mary thinks that this information was "boring", seemingly expecting to know more information about Asaka from the so-called "soul detective" Gaito.

A woman whose name, Rumi Wakasa, bears similar spelling to the dying message of the Kohji case appears at Conan's school. When Hyoue Kuroda learns of this person's appearance on the news, he seems to make a connection between her and the Kohji case and implies that he might know her by saying "that's not like that person at all" when he was told she was going camping. She also keeps Kohji's good luck charm, the Bishop shogi piece inside her back pocket.

Currently the list of people who know about the case are as follows: Conan, Haibara, Agasa, Shuichi, Masumi, Mary, Kogoro, Gin, Vodka, Bourbon, Vermouth, Kuroda, and Rumi. Shukichi seems to be aware of Kohji's death, but it is unclear what he knows, or what his connection to Kohji is, since he is called a 'non-biological brother'.

Dying message from Haneda

After the murder there were tea cups, plates, and a hand mirror found smashed on the floor of Kohji's room. The mirror had writing on it that Haibara recognized as saying "PUT ON MASCARA", however it had been broken so that only "P T O N" remained. Kohji's palm was bruised from gripping a pair of scissors very tightly. The sink in Kohji's bathroom was even left running. It seems as if Kohji was attacked in the bathroom and turned the sink on, then ran water over the mirror to use the scissors to cut the mirror up, although it's unclear how he managed to do that during such circumstances. With the letters "P T O N" removed, the message remaining is "U MASCARA", which can be arranged to make "ASACA RUM". Though this is a way to decipher the dying message, it's unknown if this is the correct way to interpret the message, or that it was originally created by Kohji, or if the message was altered at all by someone. In fact, Kohji left the dying message even if he is suffering "bone-melting" pain. It is theorized that the Bishop shogi piece in Rumi's possession may also be a part of the dying message, that she removed from the scene. There is a slight bruise in the palm of the hand that Kohji held the scissors, the piece may have originally been there: actually, Haneda gave it to her.

The Black Organization is aware of the dying message. Because of the "ASACA RUM" interpretation they seem to be chasing any references to ASACA that they find.

Some time after, Subaru discussed the dying message with Yusaku, and both arrived at the conclusion that the message might only form one word: "CARASUMA", which refers to Renya Karasuma, a multi-millionaire who is supposed to have been dead for at least twenty years, and who might be the Black Organization's head.

Broken mirror dying message.
Gripping the scissors tightly.
The water was left running in Kohji's bathroom.

Dying message from Amanda

APTX connection

Even though the cause of death is unclear in both cases, only Kohji's name appeared on the APTX 4869 victims list. However it is interesting to note that Kohji's name appeared two names below Shinichi's name on the list. Haibara thinks that the person who compiled the victims list may not have compiled it chronologically, but rather in some other fashion, like blood type.

In Chess Tournament Murder Case, it is fully revealed that both of them were killed by APTX4869.

Since Haibara states that the drug she worked on was created from the burnt remains from the data left behind by her parents, she says that its possible that Kohji was made to ingest an early prototype made by her parents. Haibara hasn't mentioned whether Amanda Hughes' name is on the list or not.

Rumi, who we now know was present seventeen years ago, is currently in possession of the APTX victims list.

Partial list of APTX 4869 victims.

Motive

The motive for the murders is unknown. In Kohji Haneda's case, Haibara suggest it might have been because he was close to Amanda Hughes. If that's true, then that means that Amanda was the main target, possibly because of her connections to the FBI and the CIA.

Anime changes

  • Given that the Romanized spelling of Asaca and Rum in the dying message is important, it seems relevant to note that the Romanized spelling of "Kohji" was changed for the anime version to "Kouji".

Speculation

Asaka's identity

Conan suspects that Asaka is Rum, based on that the missing letters from the mirror spells out ASACA RUM. Conan also suspected that Mary is Asaka, by thinking that Asaka is a strong woman.

The one putting the case online

A mysterious individual, the uploader, is in possession of detailed crime scene photographs and case information. This includes pictures of Kohji's dying message hand mirror broken on the ground prior to Asaka removing a hand mirror from the scene. This unknown uploader posts this information online, seemingly asking for the case to be solved.

Information about the case was online at the time Okiya and Conan solved the "The Clenched Scissors and the Clipped Letters" case, but was removed by the beginning of the "Soul Detective Murder Case". The reason why the information was deleted and the identity of the one doing the takedowns (perhaps the uploader themselves or another force who wishes to scrub the essential details of Kohji's case from the internet) is still uncertain.

It should be noted that current Police Superintendent Hyoue Kuroda has access to the information on the website and seems to see some sort of connection to Elementary teacher Rumi Wakasa. Some fans speculate that it is possible that Rumi is the one uploading the information to the site due to her name being a close letter scramble of the dying message ASAKA RUM and her method of approaching Conan.

Alternate interpretations of the mirror

Kohji's palm bruise

In the picture of Kohji's hand, there are several bruises on the fingers and one on the center of his palm. These are presumed to be from holding the scissors tightly. Kohji's method of holding the scissors is unclear, but the bruises are consistent with looping one's thumb and index finger through the two rings so the rings as close to the base of the fingers. If the blade is angled across the palm and the other three fingers folded over, it makes a defensive-like pose. This grip does not explain the bruise in the hollow of his palm. If a defensive grip was used, then the bruise must have been caused by an item secreted in Kohji's palm he was gripping along with the scissors, holding the scissors another way, or another force altogether. It may also be of concern that despite supposedly gripping the scissors tightly in life, after Kohji was killed and the body photographed, the scissors were elsewhere nearby and Kohji's hand opened.

See also

v • d • e
APTX 4869
Developers Atsushi Miyano • Elena Miyano • Shiho Miyano
Victims Shinichi Kudo • Kohji Haneda • Amanda Hughes • Mary Sera • Shiho Miyano
Antidotes Prototype antidote • Baijiu
Related Articles Silver Bullet • Victim list • Case from 17 years ago • Black Organization
v • d • e
Black Organization
High ranking The Boss • Rum • Gin • Vermouth
Other agents Vodka • Kir (undercover) • Chianti • Korn • Bourbon (undercover)
Deceased agents Akemi Miyano • Tequila • Kenzo Masuyama/Pisco • Atsushi Miyano • Elena Miyano • Calvados • Rikumichi Kusuda • Ethan Hondou (undercover) • Hiromitsu Morofushi/Scotch (undercover)
Former agents Shiho Miyano/Sherry (Ai Haibara) • Shuichi Akai/Dai Moroboshi/Rye (undercover) • Ki'ichiro Numabuchi
Extended canon Yoshiaki Hara (movie only) • Irish (movie only) • Masaaki Okakura (movie only) • Arrack (special manga only) • Generic (special manga only) • Blackbeard (special manga only) • Kate Lauren (playstation only) • Curaçao (movie only) • Stout (movie only) • Aquavit (movie only) • Leona Bucholz/Riesling (movie only) • Man in bar (tv special only) • Pinga (movie only)
Related articles Black Organization timeline • APTX 4869 • Nanatsu no Ko • Scar Akai • List of Black Organization related characters • Vermouth timeline • Suguru Itakura • Kohji Haneda case • Karasuma Group • "The Criminal" • Night Baron • Crow
Manga Roller Coaster Murder Case • ¥1,000,000,000 Robbery • Bullet-Train Bombing • Game Convention Case • Missing Older Brother Case • Murdered Professor Case • Hotel Party Murder Case • Bus Hijacking Case • Kaitou Kid and the Murder • Escalator Message Case • Golden Apple Case • Footsteps of Darkness • Meeting with Vodka • Four Porsches Case • Bathroom Murder Case • Halloween Party Case • Black Organization vs. FBI • Mysterious Job Case • Kir Transport Case • Foreign Suspect Case • Department Store Bomber Case • Online Client • Mystery Train • Tennis Meetup • A Shrine to Remember • Elementary Teacher Assault • Scarlet Showdown • Girls Band Murder Case • Soul Detective Murder Case • A song named ASACA • Missing Maria Higashio Case • Sisters' Birthday Party Murder Case • Yusaku Kudo's TV Show Case • FBI Serial Murder Case • Akemi Miyano's Time Capsule • Chess Tournament Murder Case
Anime Roller Coaster Murder Case • Game Company Murder Case • The Black Organization: One Billion Yen Robbery Case • The Girl from the Black Organization and the University Professor Murder Case • Reunion with the Black Organization • The Gathering of the Detectives! Shinichi Kudo vs. Kaitou Kid • The Mysterious Passenger • The Secret Rushed Omission • Shinichi Kudo's New York Case • On the Trail of a Silent Witness • Contact with the Black Organization • The Four Porsches • Hidden Bathroom Secret • Head-to-Head Match with the Black Organization: A Dual Mystery on a Full Moon Night • Black Impact! The Moment the Black Organization Reaches Out • The Shadow of the Black Organization • Clash of Red and Black • The Crisis Beckoned by the Red Omen • Detectives' Nocturne • The Jet-Black Mystery Train • Conan in a Locked Room • Jodie's Memories and the Cherry Blossom Viewing Trap • The Scarlet Return • The Shadow Approaching Amuro (TV original) • The Unfriendly Girls Band • The Spirit Detective's Murder • The Betrayal's Stage • Search for Maria-chan! • The Birthday Party of Divine Punishment • Yusaku Kudo's Detective Show • The Black Organization's Scheme • Akemi Miyano's Time Capsule
Movies and Specials Countdown to Heaven • Time Travel of the Silver Sky • Black History • The Raven Chaser • Shinichi Kudo Returns! Confrontation with the Black Organization • The Darkest Nightmare • Black Iron Submarine
Special Manga The Wish Put on the Airship • The Black Organization...Revealed • Protect the Luxury Liner from the Virus
Playstation Remembrance Treasure Case
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Rum arc topics
Main interest Renya Karasuma • Rum • Case from 17 years ago
Potential suspects Hyoue Kuroda • Rumi Wakasa • Kanenori Wakita
Connections Kohji Haneda • Amanda Hughes • Tsutomu Akai • Asaka
Related Articles APTX 4869 • APTX 4869 Victim list • Rum arc timeline
Cases of interest The Scarlet Return • Three First Discoverers • Just Like a 17 Years Old Crime Scene • Soul Detective Murder Case • The Stage of Betrayal • Mystery of the Burning Tent • Search for Maria-chan! • The 36-Cell Perfect Game • The Spark That Fell on the Ranch • Yusaku Kudo's Detective Show • The Black Organization's Scheme • Akemi Miyano's Time Capsule • Kaitou Kid and the Siren Splash • Chess Tournament Murder Case

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