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| − | == Re: Questionable deletion in pilgrim == | + | ==Re:Do we know the boundaries of the next season yet? == |
| − | No worries. :) --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 23:06, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
| + | Not yet, to my knowledge. --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] ([[User talk:Skyechan|talk]]) 16:52, 16 April 2016 (CEST) |
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| − | == Vote please! ==
| + | :We do know, I think. I mean post was made when Season 26 didn't end yet so I'm assuming they meant S26's. --[[User:Intervencion|Intervencion]] ([[User talk:Intervencion|talk]]) 10:09, 12 February 2019 (UTC) |
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| − | http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/Talk:Anime#Seasons --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 23:34, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
| + | == Pictures in Galleries == |
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| + | I understand what you mean, but if you don't mind I have an idea. In the episode pages that have galleries to display pictures from the episodes, how about I create a gallery page for the romantic couples for Shinichi and Ran and Heiji and Kazuha. However don't worry, I won't do anything until I hear what you think first. --[[User:Sbrady538|Sbrady538]] ([[User talk:Sbrady538|talk]]) 23:00, 24 April 2016 (CEST) |
| − | The Electronic Notebook Map is supposed to be Electronic Noteback Map Profile because all Gadgets article have Rectangle pictures that has "Profile" at the end of the name of the gadget. So I'm saying this that it wasn't a wrong name and I just want to ask you to go to [[The Kidnapping Location Case]] and create a picture of a square shape of Electronic Notebook Map with no "Profile" name at the end of the named gadget. Um... do you kind of understand? I'm just stating the fact.
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| − | :I moved it back to the profile name. I don't have a 100x100 image of the map prepared right now. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 18:30, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::Oh well sorry. But they will be 100 px soon it future.
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| − | == One more thing ==
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| − | There's one more thing I like to ask you. Can you go to [[Detective Chiba]] article and change the Officer Chiba Profile into Detective Chiba Profile?
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| − | == Apologies ==
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| − | Right, sorry about that. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 16:56, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
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| − | You're very welcome. And I'm still sorry about in the past that we had conflicts. Sometimes I was wrong. Just fixing it really in my caring way. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 00:43, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Apologies == | + | I've talk about [[Superintendent General Hakuba]] and [[Minor law enforcement#Toshio Moroboshi|Toshio Moroboshi]] background appearance in "Trivia". What do you think? --[[Special:Contributions/79.16.7.86|79.16.7.86]] 17:05, 5 May 2016 (CEST) |
| − | I'm sorry.
| + | :I don't have access to the movies/episodes right now, so I can't double check, but this is how I would decide. A character can only reoccur if they are the same character as the person from a prior appearance. A character is more than their appearance, they are also a personality who does certain things. Some characters like [[Azusa]] went through several character designs because the animators were forgetful, but she was always the same person: the main waitress at the Poirot who voiced by the same woman. On the other hand, certain background people may look the same because the animators recycled old designs rather than bothering to create new ones, but the characters are not meant to be the same people. These lookalikes are pure filler. A character is really only the same one if they have the same position and behave substantially similar to their previous appearances. It's a bit of a judgment call. I can tell you what I think for these two cases when I have access to somewhere I can watch the movies/episodes. I can tell you right now without seeing anything that I am very skeptical of Toshio Moroboshi, a character developed specifically for movie 6, showing up 2 movies earlier. That would be a violation of [[Wikipedia:causality|causality]]. It would be okay to mention in trivia that someone who looks like Toshio appeared two movies earlier in trivia, but I would not list it in his appearances page or recurring character page. The first is airing an interesting speculation, the second is declaring a fact. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 20:43, 5 May 2016 (CEST) |
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| − | == Relationships == | + | == Picture previews are messing up again == |
| − | Okay, then what about the rest of the characters? Do you want them to be changed to subheaders of characters name in relationship analysis?
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| − | :It depends on how many characters listed there are. Take [[Ran]], which has five people listed with only one or two under each heading. That doesn't really need subheaders at this point. You can put them there, but it doesn't matter much to navigation. [[Conan]] on the other hand has a ton of them, so subheaders work well there. From a mod perspective, I wouldn't revert you if you changed every character's relationships to subheaders, but I would if you tried to change, say, Conan, to bullet points. It's kind of a judgement call. Use your time where you think it is the most needed. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 21:37, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Toru Amuro ==
| + | It seems picture thumbnails on other pages are still messing up. Also it seems one of the [[User:Jimmy-kud0-tv2/Non-Canon_BO_images#Movie_20_Spys|guidebooks released this year had bad information]], which resulted in me uploading M20's Aquavit and Riesling's photos in the wrong file names. I tried to fix it by simply moving both of those existing images to temporary names and then uploading new pictures to the original file names, but that didn't seem to work and they are still showing the original pictures. I have uploaded the same correct image twice to each file name. The 116 size image is the correct male Aquavit image, and the 123 size image is the correct female Riesling image. If you do manage to fix it, then the image file names will need to be switched back to their original positions on a bunch of pages (like M20) that that one anon edited after he/she noticed that they were incorrect (example:Riesling character box has Aquavit file name so right name with picture). In addition I have also uploaded cleaner (less light reflection) versions of the volume 90 keyhole and detective that also haven't updated to the newest version on the pages they display on. --[[User:Jimmy-kud0-tv2|Jimmy-kud0-tv2]] ([[User talk:Jimmy-kud0-tv2|talk]]) 16:50, 22 August 2016 (CEST) |
| − | Question, is Amuro really important character? --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 22:40, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :Well I'm about to put in the characters article of character chart. Should I do that? | + | |- |
| | + | | style="vertical-align: top"|[[File:Riesling.jpg|thumb|150px|top|File name for female Riesling]] |
| | + | | style="vertical-align: top"|[[File:Aquavit.jpg|thumb|150px|top|File name for male Aquavit]] |
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| − | == Re: Police Insignias == | + | :This is something Maurice will have to do. I've tried the Wikipedia technique of forcing an update by appending ?action=purge to the end of a image, and while it works at first, it doesn't seem to stick. I think there is a maintenance cycle where Wiki purges its cache and then recreates the thumbnails. This isn't something in my league as far as I know. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 21:54, 22 August 2016 (CEST) |
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| − | Thanks! I did run across it in my research -- I'm currently compiling a combination General/Culture police page and the various ranks we canonly know of for the characters. Hopefully I'll have it up soon. Also, if there's a good place on the individual pages to add a picture, I'll look into it next. [[User:Ocianne|Ocianne]] 15:19, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
| + | ::DCW burecratas should check this out ^. Cached images is an issue for me too. --[[User:Intervencion|Intervencion]] ([[User talk:Intervencion|talk]]) 10:09, 12 February 2019 (UTC) |
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| − | == Vermouth appearances == | + | == Thumbnail errors == |
| − | Well, I procrastinated for a LONG time with making an appearance page for Vermouth due to the complication of her multiple disguises, but I finally created something of a rough draft to work with. The article is located '''[[Vermouth Appearances|here]]'''. I'll fill out the Anime section at a later date, but I was wondering if you had any suggestions for better organizing the list. If you could take a look at it when you get a chance and tell me your thoughts, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thank you! :) --[[User:Jigsaw|Jigsaw]] 17:50, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::Oops… I’m rather late in responding to your response, but thank you very much! I'm slightly preoccupied with other stuff right now (both DCW and real life), so no need to rush with this. I look forward to hearing your thoughts, however! Thanks again, Chekhov. =) --[[User:Jigsaw|Jigsaw]] 04:13, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Drama 2 ==
| + | It seems that the thumbnail errors only occur if the image uploaded has to be resized on the wiki's end. If an image is uploaded already at the size that one wants to display (pixel wise) then the image will still display correctly on the page it is linked to. For example, the person who tried uploading multiple versions of the Case photo for [[The Death God Jinnai Murder Case]] was not able to get it to display correctly because the Info Crimebox resizes the photo to a standard size of 290px. However I just reuploaded the image at 290px and it displays correctly on the page! I guess that will be the only way around the thumbnail issues until the problem is fixed. --[[User:Jimmy-kud0-tv2|Jimmy-kud0-tv2]] ([[User talk:Jimmy-kud0-tv2|talk]]) 01:58, 15 September 2016 (CEST) |
| − | That's the point. It was rectangle shape of actor and actress's name so I change them into anime temporary and make a square shape of the actual name later. Ok no anime but of course those pictures will be changed into right names of actors and actresses.
| + | :My understanding is that when a page calls for a resized image the wiki software does something like... |
| − | --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 19:57, 3 November 2011 (UTC) | + | :Originally-sized uploaded image --> function that resizes image --> save resize in the cache --> display resize from the cache when a wiki page calls for the image at that size |
| | + | :It only has to run this once and then can call the image from the cache after that, unless a new size is called for. The problem seems to be in step 2 or 3. I'm not sure which. I would not be surprised if it had something to do with the related problem we had where the image and the cached copies were not being updated when a new image was uploaded. You should PM Maurice with these findings. Good idea on the workaround for now. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 18:50, 15 September 2016 (CEST) |
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| − | == Timeline Detail == | + | == Can you fix the Thumbnail errors == |
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| − | Since you're the mod who created the page, I figured I'd ask your opinion regarding how much detail in-storyline events merit for the timeline, especially for complicated buildups like the Vermouth arc. Should it err on 'this event happened', or 'this event happened in this summarized way and these things play into later events down the timeline'? --[[User:Ocianne|Ocianne]] 05:31, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
| + | The Thumbnail errors still ongoing and not yet fixed. Can you fix the Thumbnail errors. --[[User:Mohammedalkhater|Mohammedalkhater]] ([[User talk:Mohammedalkhater|talk]]) 02:33, 15 September 2016 (CEST) |
| − | :That helped a bit, thanks. I went with 'simple and straightforward, but hitting the high points' as much as seemed possible.--[[User:Ocianne|Ocianne]] 01:43, 10 November 2011 (UTC) | + | :I can't fix it. The thumbnails not showing up are caused by a malfunction of the wiki software that builds and maintains the pages. That is something the owner of the software, Maurice, must fix. I don't have the database source code, I'm just a mod. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 18:32, 15 September 2016 (CEST) |
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| − | == RE: Battle of the Haunted Warehouse's Treasure == | + | == Soft redirects == |
| − | No worries. It's understandable when you consider the unusual combination of characters that I added to the article. Gotta love random flashbacks. =P --[[User:Jigsaw|Jigsaw]] 04:19, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::P.S. I was just about to suggest archiving some of your talk page. Guess you were one step ahead of me. Sorry for the multiple talk page notifications by the way. Last one, I promise. =P --[[User:Jigsaw|Jigsaw]] 04:21, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Other Culture Page ==
| + | Given that the Anime still hasn't even touched on the Haneda Kouji case yet, nor have they even gotten to the Envelope case, I'm wondering if things like the identity of the Middle Bro, Father Akai, and Shukichi's mention of Kouji need to have spoiler soft redirects similar to the one seen on the page: "[[Bourbon]]". An then reverting some of the Akai family pages so that they link to those soft redirects rather than directly linking to those pages, so that the Anime only people don't get way too much information for just clicking on a single link. --[[User:Jimmy-kud0-tv2|Jimmy-kud0-tv2]] ([[User talk:Jimmy-kud0-tv2|talk]]) 22:37, 24 September 2016 (CEST) |
| − | Icka found this link earlier and I wanted to share it with you. http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Detective_Conan Perhaps we'll get to work on a page like this at some point in the future? ^^; --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 06:00, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
| + | :I have not seen people complain too much, but your idea sounds proactive and kind. I support it. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 05:36, 25 September 2016 (CEST) |
| | + | ::Did this got implemented? --[[User:Intervencion|Intervencion]] ([[User talk:Intervencion|talk]]) 10:09, 12 February 2019 (UTC) |
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| − | == Pictures in Akai's Truck == | + | == The Black Chronicle == |
| − | Noticed you removed a line regarding it. I can't double-check at the moment, but I think the pictures in question might appear in the truck in the opening of episode 345? Hope this helps! --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 11:33, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Sorry ==
| + | You asked someone in the DCTP chat box for the source of the Agasa and Miyano family meet time line thing, I've scanned all 4 pages now. Just a note, since the comment from Agasa about meeting them is actually pointing to the spot between 25 and 27 years ago, then shouldn't it be ~26 years ago that they met ? I kept seeing people say "27 years" in the chat box. --[[User:Jimmy-kud0-tv2|Jimmy-kud0-tv2]] ([[User talk:Jimmy-kud0-tv2|talk]]) 02:03, 6 January 2017 (CET) |
| − | Okay. Sorry about that --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 17:38, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Thank you ==
| + | Imgur link with slightly higher definition : http://imgur.com/a/4ycqK |
| − | Thank you for explaining things for me. :) The edit conflicts were indeed confusing. Thankfully I saved all my work on Microsoft Word prior to adding it here. --[[User:Jigsaw|Jigsaw]] 17:48, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Mistake ==
| + | [[File:Black Chronicle timeline1.jpg|250px]][[File:Black Chronicle timeline2.jpg|250px]][[File:Black Chronicle timeline3.jpg|250px]][[File:Black Chronicle timeline4.jpg|250px]] |
| − | Oh okay, sorry. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 23:36, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Curiosity ==
| + | :I noticed that !27 discrepancy too, so I was making an attempt to translate to confirm the events, which I am very slow at. I'll continue doing what I can. |
| − | Not sure how many people will see the talk pages so thought I'd ask you since we're both pretty much up to date on stuff. Do you have any ideas where one of the editors got Shizuka and Makoto's English names (Melinda Hartwell? Taylor Somerset?) from? I'm pretty sure nothing with them was ever dubbed but I wanted to double-check to see if I'm missing something. It looks like that information was added by our anonymous IP person so I highly doubt it's legitimacy. But that said, thought I'd double-check anyway because otherwise the info needs to be removed as soon as possible. :/ --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 14:14, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Appreciate == | + | == Chikara name == |
| − | Thank you for deleting the other Ryoma article. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 22:08, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ==Re: Redirects==
| + | I noticed that you said that the source of his name has bothered you. It seems his name appears in episode 785 (air date July 18, 2015) even though it did not appear in the manga version of the same scene (opening the sealed move envelope). if we want to take that as confirmation that it is indeed his name going forward.--[[User:Jimmy-kud0-tv2|Jimmy-kud0-tv2]] ([[User talk:Jimmy-kud0-tv2|talk]]) 02:53, 27 April 2017 (CEST) |
| − | No worries. I'm just glad to see the character list looks a bit more manageable now. --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 03:24, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ==Re: Volume 75 Edit==
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| − | Yaiba does appear, as a character on the TV during that particular scene. I'm not sure how we should handle listing the character now though. Ryusuke Higo appeared on the TV during this scene as well and this is simply mentioned under the recurring characters page. --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 02:19, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
| + | :Fuji found it, it was left out of the online translation. --[[User:Jimmy-kud0-tv2|Jimmy-kud0-tv2]] ([[User talk:Jimmy-kud0-tv2|talk]]) 04:32, 27 April 2017 (CEST) |
| − | == Re: Reverting Vandalism ==
| + | [[File:Chikara speaks his name circled.jpg|200px|thumb|left|]] |
| − | Got it. Thanks anyway. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 19:25, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :You're very welcome, Ms. MacGuffin. I always check the recent changes, and I always don't want anything stupid on DCW. I'm like a security guard and I respect to Aoyama-sensei very much. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 20:44, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
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| − | That is a good call indeed! Thank you! :)
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| − | --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 04:01, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Hold on ==
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| − | What about Shinichi, Conan, Ran, and Kogoro? Shinichi and Ran's age are 16-17, Conan's age 6-7, and Kogoro's age is 37-38. That's why I changed "38" into 37-38. I mean thats still fine right? I mean yes it's true. She did turn into 38. I understand the source. But it can still be fine to leave as 37-38 meaning she did change into 38. Yusaku and Kogoro has 37-38 on it.
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| − | --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 21:08, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :(Sigh) All right. If you say so.
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| − | I try. :) I always appreciate a second pair of eyes to catch my own typos, especially when it's a large body of text. Hope you don't mind the minor edits I made in the Relationships sections. --[[User:Ocianne|Ocianne]] 23:52, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == RE: MK Special 6 picture ==
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| − | When I created the images for the live-action series I figured out that having the smaller image sizes prevents squishing, pixelation, and other oddities from automatic resizing in the wiki. Personally I would not use the image the person chose for 6 as it is way too dark, but I don't have access to the raw episode yet, so I simply resized the image to match previous uploads. --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 17:06, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Report ==
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| − | This IP 182.5.106.28 is messing up the wiki. Don't even know why Masumi Sera is taken out of Character articles. Can you stop him or her! This IP is also deleting parts in [[Masumi Sera]] article.
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| − | --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 16:22, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :Whew! Thank you!
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| − | I'm not familiar with editing formats, so I'd like to make this request for you to personally handle. In the handedness article, you should include a very important detail into Akai's shooting in Chapter 504. Akai was using a right handed Bolt Action Rifle. This important because left handed people either order a left handed Bolt Action or hold them like a right handed person; the use of the Bolt is extremely awkward and difficult if a right handed Bolt Action is held lefty style, and vice versa. It could be a slip up on Aoyama's part, but it's worth mentioning since all we have is reasoning to draw Akai's hand on; it's possible this is meant to show us Akai is faking his left handedness and overplayed his part in this shooting.
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| − | Also, for the article in general, may I recommend a more detailed description of each person's movements with their hands? I noticed you discounted the possibility of Akai using a right cross against the bus jacker in Chapter 289, left out the fact that Akai was searching the fruit basket and had just occupied his right hand in Chapter 601 (unless your contention is that Akai knew right away that it was directly under the apple) and should also point out he started this search with his right hand, you left out when Gin used his phone with his right hand in Chapter 603 because he placed it in a right pocket due to the fact that at that time he needed his left hand for the laptop that was showing him the contents of the vans, and you put his assassination of Pisco in Chapter 242 as "Unavoidable," when this itself is an assumption; there are people in the world who can use a body part that's in extreme pain without drugs, so it deserves a mention if nothing else. Also, I think pointing out Vodka's watch changing hands as a continuity error in Chapter 383 is wrong because you already pointed out Aoyama erroneously had watches on dominant hands before that in the same section; it seems redundant and it's clearly Aoyama cleaning up his prior mistake. That's just what I noticed, and there may be more. - 71.126.239.180
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| − | :Hi 71.126.239.180, the the handedness article is actually a personal reference page because its a bit too specific to be a real article, but I welcome any and all corrections and additions. I looked into it, (read visiting [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Detective_Conan#Accuracy_International_Arctic_Warfare imfdb]) and the Accuracy International Arctic Warfare that Akai is using is indeed right handed, which I will make a note of. I think it is likely to be a slip up on Aoyama's part (lefties drawn/pictured using righty rifles happens a lot, so I've been told), because it would be the height of foolishness for Akai to handicap himself by using his off dominant hand on a one-try-only precision shot from 700 yards. Akai has been shown to prefer his left hand in other tense short-notice-to-react situations, like the scene with Vermouth.
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| − | :Regarding the other part or your request, sure I can make it more detailed, but that will take a bit of time.
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| − | :*289 was definitely a left handed strike because that was the hand Akai was swinging around to hit (this is from the manga, you can see the movement lines). If you are saying he was bringing his right hand around, that is unlikely; he was facing nearly backwards from the robber and squatting at the time meaning the rotation needed for a fluid hit with the right is impossible.
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| − | :*In 601, I do think he was expecting a bomb under the fruit (he thinks as much in the next panel!), and that he was freeing his left hand to grab it. It was someone else's gift, so it isn't exactly polite to set fruit down wherever, which he would have had to do if he was using his left handed only.
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| − | :*In 603, Gin actually has two radios in this scene which I should have clarified. I am assuming you are talking about the first radio (page 4) that he uses to talk to the motorcycle trio using his right hand. It's hard to tell from the art but it could be a radio connected to the dash with a cord because it has no antenna, so I will make a note that it could be unavoidable if it is corded, it would hang up on the right side of Gin on the dash. I don't see where he put it in his pocket. Gin likes to keep his hands in his pockets whenever he isn't doing anything with them, so I am not going to risk wrongly interpreting it as he put the radio in the pocket versus setting the radio down in his lap or something like that. This is especially the case if it is a corded radio.
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| − | :*I put the assassination with Pisco as unavoidable because Gin had an injury that limited the actions he could take with one of his hands. The inability to grip and stabilize properly because of gross tissue damage, Conan's tranq in his system, and general pain might throw his aim (Pisco might try to run for it.) if he tried to use his right hand. He would have used his left anyway, but because the option of using his right was limited, I listed it as unavoidable.
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| − | :*I plan to keep the note about Vodka's watch because it was an important clue in determining Vodka's handedness for sure - as a contrast to Gin, and I think it is important to note the point of transition.
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| − | :[[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 15:19, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
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| − | ::It looks more like he's sideways to me, and if it is that's how you gear up a left outward chop, a left elbow, a right cross, and maybe a few other attacks. And you actually just made a new point for me. When you strike, you're supposed to put your whole body behind it. This could be another error by Aoyama, but it looks like more power would be given to a right handed attack with only minute accuracy errors; a right handed attack would be fine as long Akai's style isn't Krav Maga.
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| − | ::The point I was trying to make with the fruit basket is that it's one thing to know/expect to find a bomb, it's another to know exactly where it's located. You're right, setting the apple down randomly would be rude, but the point I'm making is that Akai got lucky and the first fruit he pulled was directly over the bomb. What if it wasn't? What would his next move have been? And how does this effect the article? That's all I'm saying: taking the bomb should be an Unavoidable, not a Miscellaneous, and taking the fruit is tough to call.
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| − | ::No, I was talking about the second device Gin used to talk with Vermouth, and I assumed it was his cell phone. The pocket was my mistake, I was looking at a darker scanlation and thought the seat was empty, and with his hand in his pocket I assumed he was reaching for it in there. However, my general point still remains the same: these moments belong in Unavoidable. On a few of these early pages a laptop or similar device that was feeding him the scans of the vans was on his lap, which, according to page 6, had him inputting commands of some kind (my guess would be moving between, and perhaps opening, the scans). The device he used to communicate with Vermouth is unavoidable due to where he placed it, and the device from page 4 can be considered unavoidable (regardless of any cord) since he was keeping his left hand ready to use the same laptop, and this laptop is an additional reason to suggest that even if the second was on his lap close to his left hand he would use his right hand. Additionally, putting the first device into his right hand can be attributed to the gear shift, so this is an additional moment that I think is better suited to Unavoidable.
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| − | ::Fair enough. However, how about including this little description? Your reasoning's sound, but since the possibility of this being optional is still real without concrete evidence from Aoyama, I think this deserves noting. | |
| − | ::And the Vodka note was just an aesthetic suggestion. Like I said, including the previous note and this one makes the point sound redundant, but that's not necessarily a bad thing for a wiki.
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| − | ::Final notes on the shoot out. We don't actually know which hand Akai made the all important, one chance shot with; nobody saw how he held the rifle until after he made that shot. For fairness to bolt actions, they're famously considered more accurate than semi-automatics. For the scene (and this could be a manga's limitations), Aoyama made Akai's final shots look like they were fired from a semi-automatic, so another possible artistic blunder is worth noting somewhere. And as a word of wisdom, nothing that can be used as evidence in a mystery story should ever be chalked up as an artistic blunder before the truth it is/could be evidence for is revealed or the creator and/or staff says so.
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| − | ::Also, while I'm here, may I make one more request? A friend and I went over this series and this wiki, and I just noticed that a single idea we had was absent from the most logical of places on the site. Does a section or article concerning the possibility of a traitor in the FBI exist somewhere? - 71.126.239.180
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| − | :::Regarding Akai's strike, again Akai is squatting while facing away. He is in the middle of what clearly is going to be a left hand outside chop to the hijacker, so he must have been facing even more backwards when he started the attack. Since he was facing away from the robber and squatting, he didn't have much option for the attack.
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| − | :::He would have pushed the apple off to the side and grabbed another fruit.
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| − | :::I did list Vermouth's radio in grey which equates to no clear handedness. The reason I put it in the radio section instead of unavoidable is because Gin may have made a choice to set it down to his right in the first place instead of say, in his pocket. As we did not see the initial setup, its indeterminable, but not necessarily unavoidable. The first radio is considered handed, because he switched hands while holding it, meaning using it was not unduly handedness restrictive.
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| − | :::It is unlikely Akai switched hands. Switching hands would mean switching the side of the cheekpiece, adjusting the positioning of the scope from a cross eye configuration to a same side eye configuration, and then taking the time after that to recenter on the target because Akai dropped his form. It takes too long. I doubt Akai would even be able to fire back on Gin if he did all of that.
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| − | :::Regarding a traitor in the FBI, I think it is strongly unlikely for multiple reasons. The scope of the FBI I am considering is the group in Japan that we have witnessed. Other FBI I am not concerned about because they are not a part of the story so far.
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| − | :::*If there was a traitor in the FBI, Rena's holding location would have been known and thus there was no need for Vermouth to interrogate the child and act like she had found out new information - who would she need to fool when she is reporting it too her fellow Black Org members?
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| − | :::*Gin would not needed to deduce which van Rena was being held in. Sure, the Black Org could have followed all three at first to keep up appearances, but it was clear Gin did not initially know which van Hidemi was in and then deduced it on his own when he heard from Vermouth that Akai that was following the second van - a bluff.
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| − | :::*Conan appeared in front of the whole assembly of FBI during the strategy meeting of Red and Black. If a traitor has witnessed that, Conan would have been investigated if not killed ("accidentally" if that was the case) soon after Red vs. Black. If Conan was investigated, this would have likely led to the uncovering of Haibara Ai, as the people connected to Conan would be investigated. She could easily be spotted by someone tailing Conan to school while studying his movement routine for example.
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| − | :::The FBI traitor theory is not particularly common, nor is it is not supported by evidence so far. The wiki itself operates with an inclusion standard of strong and reasonable evidence for a theory to be included (See the [[Akai faked his death theory]] for example) unless it is particularly common and this one is not. If you want to create a personal user page of the theory with details and then ask on the main forum if it acceptable for inclusion, be my guest. That is what I did for the three theory pages that I wrote.
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| − | ::::My stance on the fruit, however, remains. Had it not been under the apple, Akai would have used his left hand for the next fruit while putting the apple aside, and had that one hidden the bomb his right hand would have pulled the bomb up (at the same time, if he needed to move another, then we're back to his left hand holding the bomb). As such, I say it remains as follows: the right hand was his choice (and your theory on why is as valid as mine) and the left hand holding the bomb was Unavoidable as a result of the previous choice, but this was not an effort used for the bomb but an effort used for a search.
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| − | ::::I'll agree with Gin's radios if you just include the laptop in your description - this last device was absent once again from the description, so it'd be a little premature to give total agreement.
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| − | ::::As for the traitor, allow me to speak my mind on this subject:
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| − | ::::- If there is a traitor, they don't want him/her compromised due to the value of having someone keeping tabs on the FBI. As such, Rena and Conan need to be something the Black Organization learns in its own time - if either (particularly Rena - after the DJ case Conan and the people around him are already sitting on the edge of a boiling pot) dies or is found prematurely, the traitor's existence is revealed and all value of having him/her in the FBI is gone; the traitor can only be exposed when in a position to destroy all files on the Organization, kill all agents connected to the case, and end their investigation permanently: since we're talking about the FBI, that means the traitor's in until death.
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| − | ::::- You're acting off the assumption every agent who initially knew Rena's location at the end of this case are the only suspects - I'm a fan of the idea Camel's the traitor for this reason (among others - my friend falls more into the James Black idea using the above point with others).
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| − | ::::- Twice in the Clash of Red and Black arc, Gin talked about an informant - the first was in Chapter 603, where the informant seemed to be unable to give him anything on the FBI's movements but did give Gin a back up plan he didn't want to use; the second was in Chapter 607 where the Gin knew the details of the investigation Camel was caught in. These aren't necessarily the same informant, but it does mean they had someone(s) watching the FBI even after they reclaimed Rena.
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| − | ::::- Speaking of Rena, Gin seemed almost certain that Akai would come alone to meet with her. Additionally, when Scar Akai appeared, Gin's first thought in Chapter 700 was "Kir screwed me," not "Akai cheated death." He completely disregarded the idea that Rena was tricked just like the rest of them and instead said she and Akai were co-conspiring. - 71.126.239.180
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| − | :::::I am not going to change anything about the fruit since we have moved into the realm of the the hypothetical. The list concerns what has actually happened as best as can be reconstructed.
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| − | :::::Can you explain again how the laptop has relevance to which hand Gin would choose for either radio that the position of said radio doesn't explain?
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| − | :::::Regarding the potential traitor, Gin's first informant was Vermouth looking for Akai's car. The second was someone they sent into the hospital. Gosho was being intentionally vague about the whole informant thing because he was actively encouraging the idea Camel was a BO spy up until he revealed that he was working with Akai on a secret plan instead. It is in the same vein as James Black making Akai sound like Gin in his first appearance.
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| − | :::::I think Camel and James Black are both loyal FBI. Haibara has been in the presence of both Camel and James Black; she had no reaction. Also, Akai trusts both of them, and he has a pretty decent sense for Org and not Org - he seemed to already have a hunch about Kir before Conan told him his end of things (recall his initial quote about bait 596.4 - she can't be "bait" sent deep into the Org if she is loyal to the Org after all).
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| − | :::::Besides, I don't know why you are assuming that having a spy in the FBI means the Black Org must act in an all (move only when able to destroy all info/agents/etc.,) or nothing fashion. Why can't the Black Org coincidentally be present for some function because, say, they were assassinating someone in the area? Or maybe someone else started investigating Kogoro for an incidental reason, like following up Gin's residual suspicions in the DJ case, and then finding Conan suspicious and encountering Haibara Ai. It is extremely easy for someone clever to create a series of plausible convenient reasons to act on info from a spy often without compromising him. For someone as important as Shiho, it is probable that action would be taken against her if there is easy opportunity to. They could arrange an accident: one of Agasa's inventions explodes, sabotage the beetle so there is a car crash, fire, hit and run...
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| − | :::::Regarding the red shirts case, Gin had that spiel about how he was excited to kill Akai again and had Chianti and Korn set up to kill him, so saying he was unconcerned with Akai being alive does not match with the manga. The reason Gin disregarded Rena being tricked is because there is no conceivable way Akai could have survived without Rena doing something tricky - she shot his on camera point blank and Gin and the Org monitored her the whole time. He doesn't know how exactly she could manage, but Gin doesn't have to because its pretty easy to make that deduction.
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| − | :::::There is no evidence I have seen for a spy in the FBI, and any vague suggestions, like Gin's informant line, can be adequately explained without resorting to postulating spies. Also there exists counterclaims (discussed earlier) that suggest there isn't one. Until there is some action or knowledge shown by Org that cannot be adequately explained without resorting to a spy, I personally will not postulate or base any theories on their existence because I think that is invalid and risky deductive logic.
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| − | Your saying he put the device to his right by a free choice, I'm saying he put the device to his right because he needed his left for the laptop, and your assessment failed to make mention to this laptop and its impact on Gin's choices.
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| − | Where did you pull out Vermouth and Kusuda? Their roles in the unfurling of the series have passed, and we're talking about someone else entirely now. It is possible that Vermouth was the second informant in Chapter 607, but she was part of the initial plan in 603, so she can't be the informant Gin was talking about since this person was a back up plan.
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| − | We don't really know how much Akai trusts them. We know he trusted Camel to deliver Rena and that he trusted James with knowledge of the meeting, but not much else. He actively distanced himself in the DJ case and his involvement with the rest of the FBI has been minimal in an "as needed" capacity in every other instance. We also have to remember Akai's alluded to having certain connections, so the fact is he could have been 100% sure Rena was clean well before the Clash of Red and Black arc even started.
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| − | :*Vermouth's info on Akai’s whereabouts was "extra"; the core of Gin’s plan was Vodka, Chianti, and Korn with the thermographers.
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| − | :*Vodka was wondering why the informant was delayed, and Vermouth was delayed because she could not find Akai at first.
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| − | :*Vermouth initially had not found Akai, so the informant had no information (not gotten anything).
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| − | :*Gin was not counting on Vermouth's info because the opponent was Akai, and Gin had correctly predicted Akai anticipated being searched for and would make it difficult for the BO to find him.
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| − | :The reason why Gosho was being exceptionally vague here is because he wants everyone to think Camel might be a spy. It was part of the mystery.
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| − | :The second informant is the one Vodka mentioned sending into the hospital after Kusuda ceased contact in 599.2. Of course this informant was made out to be Camel when he appeared later. Later it was revealed that Akai called Camel in, not Vodka.
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| − | :They can kill Kir at any time. Maybe she was caught contacting someone? How would the FBI find out this wasn’t true? If I use your logic that they are keeping a traitor around to spread misinformation, they have already failed in controlling her, which should be their number one prerogative. She informed the FBI that a new agent called Bourbon was activated and doing something. While I do believe Bourbon’s mission to find Sherry was misinformation, the secrecy of Bourbon’s actions was compromised so that the FBI is now aware of him and may take action to capture him should they find him. It would be one thing if Bourbon was a made-up agent to distract the FBI, but Vermouth’s most recent appearance indicates clearly Bourbon is a real person with a real mission and most likely a solo one at that, making him highly vulnerable. Unless the Org was willing to sacrifice a codenamed agent to drive into the FBI a steel wedge of their own, the info leak doesn’t make sense.
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| − | :Espionage-wise, it is easier to get new infiltrators into the Organization when someone is in there already and passing recent info about structure and operations and such. The informant need not be informed of new infiltrators either; separated cells are pretty common so one agent can’t reveal the other under duress should one be discovered. The Organization would have to be willing to risk this.
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| − | :*Basic morals mean the FBI and Akai himself would not sacrifice anyone as a body double for Akai, which means only the genuine Akai would show up. The FBI’s reaction to the death corroborates this deduction.
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| − | :*Sorry, I made the assumption that you knew a forehead protector is not physically viable. There is no feasible way to block a headshot point blank from a Colt M1911. I don’t know how much you know about bullet resistant vest products, but getting shot with a bullet while wearing one is like taking a heavy hammer blow. Broken ribs happen. Now consider that Akai was wearing his normal hat and thus has limited blocking material that can be put under there. (Metal alone isn't enough because it doesn't cushion the blow, and thin enough metal is not sufficient to block) Getting shot at point blank to the forehead even with the thickest protector Akai could have worn without being suspicious would have at minimum knocked him out so he couldn’t escape the bomb or be taken away by an accomplice, but mostly likely would have caved in his skull and killed him then and there. As long as Akai is shot in the head with a live bullet, Gin can fairly safely assume he would die. Kir would have to be in on it then because she must have conspired to use a non-live bullet if Akai is still alive.
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| − | Finally, if it was as simple as Vermouth being the backup, what was the security against the possibility of something like Conan's plan of using Agasa or they didn't move her? Everything they did up until that point had a main reason and a countermeasure: the Columbine would either tip off the FBI (initial) or kill some of them (counter), the mass of patients both allowed the delivery men to skate around security (main) and got a new informant inside (counter, and thanks for pointing this one out for me before you could argue it away), and all the bombs would either force them to move her so they could snatch her (main) or finish off Rena and seal her lips forever (counter). Gin's final plan, however, hinges on the idea that the FBI actually takes her out of the hospital in a van and don't use them as a feint to just draw their attention away from another vehicle or the hospital. Even with the informant in the hospital, this is hardly protection as proven when Conan and the gang used the Empty Fort Strategy in the Red Wall case: if the FBI withdraws everyone but three or four people (pretense of a clean up of the hospital) and they transfer her to a new room, then the informant tells them the FBI withdrew and Rena is gone.
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| − | Thanks again for doing most of the work for me. This has been very useful. I now know how to get you to let the truth out in place of your stupid biases and conceit all the sock puppetting built up in you - I gave the old fashioned means a final try, but that's clearly not going to help anymore unless I further your own conclusions. Next time you hear from me I'll be using a different IP. Later, dumbass.
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| − | == Question ==
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| − | On the new opening of Detective Conan, the Miss Mystery. Conan's voice sounds little different. Is that Minami Takayama's voice or is it someone else that's replacing her? Or am I mishearing because Conan's voice sounds little squeaky or not that squeaky or I don't know if I'm mishearing things am I? --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 16:41, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :I hope Minami Takayama doesn't retire because I LOVED her voice very much!
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| − | ::Thank goodness!
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| − | == IP deleting things ==
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| − | This IP 182.9.104.47 is back again. This is the third time!
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| − | :I fixed back of Masumi Sera article. Seriously, this IP makes me so mad! --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 04:29, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::Sure.
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| − | Another one, this 182.4.79.10 is deleting stuff on manga.
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| − | :Anyway I fixed back.
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| − | ::The IP 39.211.63.192 is doing it again. I tried sending message to this IP but it didn't work! Seriously isn't there anyway to stop this guy? Anyway I'm going to bed.
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| − | :::Ok got it.
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| − | ::::This IP 112.215.66.52 is back again. Can you create protection again? --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 00:50, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :::::Never mind.
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| − | ::::::Understood.
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| − | == Re: Deletion Vandal ==
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| − | Yes, page protection would be the best way at the moment. But yeah, forget warning repeat offenders, just block their IPs right off the bat. They know better. (Besides, this person's reasoning they left behind was simply that they don't like Sera. ...Umm...wha?) --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 23:31, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :It was in the hidden text for one of the edits for Volume 73: "Why do you create theme you have to stop create the two characters sera masumi and tooru amuro i don't like the two characters who ideas to make the 2 characters sera masumi and tooru amuro in the first place please change volume 73 i don't want sera masumi appear in that keyhole and the front cover please you have to change the picture" http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/index.php?title=Volume_73&diff=56102&oldid=56101 --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 11:18, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
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| − | Please protect the page.. this is too good to be destroyed by some annoying fans....Thanks-Sutefu-chan
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| − | == Re: Help with tables ==
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| − | I'll help ya out. :) I'll let you know when it's ready. --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 03:45, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
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| − | : You're all set! Check out the [[Detective_Conan_Wiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]] to see how to work the table. --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 04:28, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :: Fixed up! You can now type whatever file name is needed. :) Whenever you wanna use the table go as follows:<br>
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| − | {{BeginTable MKTheft}}
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| − | {{MKTheftItem|<image file name>|<item name>|<short description>|<episode/chapter>|<details>}}
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| − | As you figured out, just add another
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| − | in between whenever you need another item. :) --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 17:54, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == Clearlefts ==
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| − | Yeah Ok I got it, but the section names were like in the middle and I'm trying to make the section names to the left if I put clearleft under the info and the picture. I mean you're sure it's ok to put the section names in the middle or messy, something like that? --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 23:46, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :Maybe clear is ok? Not clearleft? Or maybe that still messes up the format, right?
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| − | ::Ok, ok, ok. Got it. Don't make big space, subheaders in the middle is ok. Got it.
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| − | == Tooru Amuro fanwork ==
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| − | I already did reverted the picture back to the manga version but don't know why you reverted again. I knew that was a fanwork because the actual anime of Tooru Amuro will be broadcast in the future.
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| − | :Yes I know what you mean, some users' computer screen on wiki doesn't show the picture when someone changed it. That happens to me too. But you know, when someone changed the picture, it takes time to show up. For example, when someone upload the picture, it doesn't show on my screen, when I waited for extra time, it actually shows up. It takes time.
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| − | == Re: Haibara profile pic ==
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| − | It's true. But the latter, somehow, it kinda bothers me... mind if I crop it? --[[User:Kora|Officer Kaoko]] 23:54, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :: I cropped it, and it looked much better. What do you think? :) --[[User:Kora|Officer Kaoko]] 23:59, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == Re: Squished pictures ==
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| − | I don't know about the other pictures, but I was uploading images based on ...*checks manual of style* apparently the old style which was 640 x 480 for TV episode images. I don't really see any compression issues on my end for the episode images I've uploaded. I haven't looked at other users' pictures. I am responsible for the following episode images thus far: Episode images for Eps. 3-49, Ep. 205-206, Ep. 354-355, Ep. 513-514, Ep. 646-647, and Magic Kaito Eps. 1-6. With the exception of MK Eps. 4-6 and Ep. 646-647, these images come via my DVDs. My images to me don't look too distorted or compressed but again (although I do need to redo MK Ep. 1; bad...chroma? I think is the word I'm looking for which is why the white looks kinda strange in that image), I haven't looked at what other users are uploading. Hope this clarifies a few things? --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 16:10, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :I think it's better to upload a picture of a long rectangle picture shape. In old episodes, it looks like a 640 x 480 rectangle shapes but in the current time, we're going to upload a long rectangle shapes of tv episode images. As my request, I like to put another thing in manual of style about that we can upload image into 704 x 396 rectangle pictures in tv episodes (in current episodes). --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 17:22, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
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| − | ::Yeah, now you're talking! Long rectangle pictures! :)
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| − | :::Shall we change the Manual of Style for TV episode images past...er, whenever the Conan episodes switched to HD (not sure what number) should be 640 x whatever? (640 would remain constant, but height can change according to whatever the original source of the image was. i.e. 864 x 480 on the episode's video becomes 640 x 362.) --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 03:51, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
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| − | ::::My opinion is 640 x whatever because you upload 640 x 360. So lets pick that!
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| − | :::::We could do both sizes depending on how convenient or the well resolved the image is. I've uploaded in several different sizes for different reasons. Does it really matter in the long run? [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 04:07, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::Don't really know, but I'm really sure it will be great to put 640 x whatever in manual of style since it's a different ratio like you said. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 04:11, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::I'm open to keeping it flexible myself, as long as the aspect ratio is correct for whatever size it is. I am never consistent with my uploading size because there are various things I might crop - like subs, or it depends on my source. (One episode picture I uploaded is actually from a Conan wallpaper for instance) [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 04:15, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::::Well if it's different number of resolution, it has to look exactly like a long rectangle shape. That's all I could say, I guess. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 04:18, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::::My vote is for the 640 x whatever correct aspect ratio for the Manual of Style edit. --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 11:24, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == Mistake ==
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| − | My deepest apologies, for removing the details under Masumi Sera in Bourbon article. I removed because it's like someone didn't finished and no period at the end. How stupid of me, sorry. Of course you're right. Three of them are answering the phone while Vermouth is calling. I just knew that from the start. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 01:12, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == Desperate request ==
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| − | Will you accept my request if you hear me? I'm very nervous to say this. This one puts me down real bad and you might refuse. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 19:51, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :Um hello, can I talk to you for a sec?
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| − | ::You haven't said anything about the request yet, I was waiting for you to say something... :P [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 19:59, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :::Ok I'm really nervous about it. You can merge any episodes except one thing. Will you promise to do that?
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| − | ::::I'm waiting for your answer please? Will you promise me one thing?
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| − | :::::Until I have a better idea of what you are talking about I won't promise anything. If it is about [[Murderer, Shinichi Kudo]], I'm merging them because they are one continuous case, like [[Red vs Black]] and [[Desperate Revival]].
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| − | ::::::Hey, that's cruel, you know. I found one thing that you might do wrong. If I say it, you'll just do it. I can tell. You know long time ago, we had arguments but I don't want to make an argument. Since you don't care. Then I won't tell you. And it's not the Murderer, Shinichi Kudo arc, it's another episode that I find and I don't want you to merge into one.
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| − | :::::::Do you want me to say it or no?
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| − | ::::::::Like I said, I am not going to promise anything until I find out what it is you want me to promise. It is up to you to decide whether telling me what is on your mind will achieve the results you want or not. If you think not telling me about something will mean I won't bother with it, that is your decision to make. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 20:25, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::::All right, nevermind. But if you did find one what I found that you're about to merge, I will tell you to stop so I can make a best explanation.
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| − | ::::::::::Fair enough. If you would like to know my merge policy I think it would better explained by examples... [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 20:51, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::::::'''Not Merged'''
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| − | ::::::::::*[[The Victim is Shinichi Kudo]], [[Inubushi Castle, The Ablazed Demon Dog]]
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| − | ::::::::::*[[Roller Coaster Murder Case]], [[Company President's Daughter Kidnapping Case]]
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| − | ::::::::::*[[A Dangerous Party of Two]], [[The Mansion of Death and the Red Wall]]
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| − | ::::::::::'''Merged cases'''
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| − | ::::::::::*[[The Crisis Beckoned by the Red Omen]]
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| − | ::::::::::*[[Red vs Black]]
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| − | ::::::::::*[[Desperate Revival]]
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| − | ::::::::::'''Unusual Split'''
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| − | ::::::::::*[[Kobayashi-sensei's Love]], [[The Kirin's Horn That Vanished into the Dark]]
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| − | == That can't be! ==
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| − | That's the one. Not the Victim is Shinichi Kudo and Inubushi Castle! That one has to be two separate articles. Because the Inubushi title splits into 3 part names. That one has to be REALLY into 2 seperate articles. And what?! Not the roller coaster and kidnapping company president. That one has to separate also. And one more is the rest of them in the list in "not merges". Also the mansion of death and the red wall, that one makes 4 part names. That policy is so wrong! Who invented that kind of policy? Was it you or Maurice? Those are the three articles in the "not merges" list not to be merged.
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| − | :That's why I listed them as NOT merged, as in not going to be merged ever. :X [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 21:12, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
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| − | ::TT_TT Thank you very much!
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| − | :::lol, I am sorry to have confused you. They were two separate cases even in the manga, although one was clearly a setup for the next case. One of the criteria I use for merge or not merge is if the next case's guy drops dead in the resolution of the first case. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 21:23, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
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| − | ::::Oh and one more thing, I've add another thing to your list you can merge and wait hold on....I think the strange family request and ran's suspicions doesn't have to be merged because the strange family request has part 1 and part 2. I already watched it and I'm really sure that one can be seperate articles.
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| − | :::::Yeah the Furinkazan article has to be merged all right.
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| − | == Request ==
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| − | Can you make [[Naoki Uemura]] redirect to [[List of minor recurring manga characters]] please? --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 15:32, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :Thank you.
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| − | ::One more please? Redirect [[Goro]] the cat to [[List of minor recurring manga characters]]? --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 15:14, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == Understand ==
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| − | I understand. And yes your very welcome. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 19:18, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
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| − | ==Re: Delinking names ==
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| − | Nevermind, I suppose you're right. I wasn't aware we were intending on creating pages for every single voice actor and actress ever appearing in the show, just considering how many there are. ._.;; --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 01:08, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
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| − | : Sure; I'm in the process of trying to get the info for the other episodes up to where I currently am on my rewatch, so it'd help if I don't have to go back a third time. ^^; --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 01:54, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == IP is back ==
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| − | This IP 112.215.66.78 is doing it again. He never gives up does he? He removes stuff on manga volume 73, 74, and 75.
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| − | == "Shiranpuri derp" ==
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| − | Best filename ever. [[User:CarpetCrawler|<span style="color:#660066">'''''Carpet'''''</span><span style="color:#000033">'''''Crawler'''''</span>]][[User_talk:CarpetCrawler|<span style="color:#990033"><sup>'''''message me'''''</sup></span>]] 15:26, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == Kid Takagi Request ==
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| − | I'd be honoured - but to speed the process up, do you know whereabouts in the Episode it is? E.g Near the end about the 20th minute? Only if you need it urgently - I've only just started the gallery so I won't be able to give it to you immediately unless you can give me a rough estimate of when the Frame appears. But if you can wait, I can get it to you eventually [[User:Hstar|Hstar]] 20:24, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == Questions and Permission ==
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| − | Chekhov MacGuffin, I want to ask you something. Is it okay to delete the chapter titles under the main case title? Here's what I'm talking about. For example:
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| − | ===Kogoro Detective Agency Hostage Crisis (Manga: [[Volume 73#Bomber's Request|771]]-[[Volume 74#Bomber's Request|774]], Anime: [[Hostage Situation at the Mouri Detective Agency|648 - 650]])===
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| − | (This is the main title case with manga chapter numbers and anime episode numbers)
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| − | ====Let's hear your brilliant deduction! (771)====
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| − | (Delete "Let's hear your brilliant deduction! (771)")
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| − | This is the thing I want to ask you. I want to make it compare to Subaru Okiya's plot overview because Sera's plot overview have manga chapter numbers in sub-sub-section. I want to delete the manga numbers sub sub section and put the rest of the story pieces into one whole story under the main case title with the manga chapter numbers and the anime episode numbers. Is that okay?
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| − | What I'm saying if the anime finally reaches the story, we can just take the manga chapter number sub-sub section out of it.
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| − | --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 22:07, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :Thanks just want to ask. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 02:34, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == Appreciate ==
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| − | Thank you for your kind words. I cared about this wiki very much. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 22:55, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == Sorry about that ==
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| − | Right, sorry about that. Old habits actually. Yes I come back later. My apologies. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 01:07, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == Heist infobox ==
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| − | If it's a heist infobox by Kaitou Kid, can you change the color from orange to light blue?
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| − | {{KidHeist|name = Heist|image = |description =
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| − | == How to use this new Heist Box ==
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| − | Excuse me, can you show me how to use this new Heist Box? --[[User:Noki25valenz|<font color="0000CD">Ectvalenz</font color>]]
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| − | :Thank you for the information :)
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| − | That means all of this
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| − | {{KidHeist|name = Blue Birthday|image = Blue Birthday Anime.jpg|description =
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| − | * India's largest sapphire}}
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| − | will be changed to this
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| − | | image = Blue Birthday.png
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| − | | thief = [[Kaitou Kid]], [[Snake]]
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| − | | thief-label = Thieves
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| − | | target = Blue Birthday
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| − | | owner = India
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| − | | location = Indian Treasure Exhibit
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| − | | date = Same day as [[Aoko Nakamori]]'s birthday
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| − | | notice = Text of notice<br />Goes here
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| − | | description = Blue Birthday is India's largest sapphire
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| − | Ok :)
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| − | One more thing, when will I use this Heist Box?
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| − | == One more IP to block ==
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| − | I found one more IP 115.108.96.134 that replaces [[The Dark Footprint]] into spamming link. Check out on http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/index.php?title=The_Dark_Footprint&diff=prev&oldid=65214
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| − | --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 20:04, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == Sorry ==
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| − | Sorry, sorry, my bad. Forgive me. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 21:38, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == Re: Characters introduced versus characters subsection ==
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| − | Fair enough, thanks for the heads up! --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 21:18, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == Masumi Sera's connection to Shuichi Akai speculation ==
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| − | Out of curiosity, now that the connection is confirmed, what would you like to do with that section of the speculation on [[Masumi Sera]] and [[Shuichi Akai]]'s pages? You wrote the speculation, if I'm not mistaken, and I didn't want to remove your research without bringing the matter to you first. :) --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 23:59, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == If Bourbon is revealed ==
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| − | If Bourbon is revealed, do we really have to change the person's name into Bourbon? I think it would be better to make a Bourbon link redirect to someone. You know I was thinking like this, if Subaru Okiya is Bourbon, then we don't have to change the name of Subaru Okiya into display of Bourbon in all episode articles because the new readers might look at episode articles in chronological order. If the reader looks at Conan vs Double Code Mystery when Subaru Okiya is Bourbon label it, that would spoil the whole thing. Here's a good idea: in the previous episode articles before Bourbon's revealed, let's leave as regular names. After Bourbon's revealed, we will keep making as Bourbon display in the cast section in the future episode articles. So what do you say? Do you kind of get it about my idea? --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 03:06, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :I guess that will be that. I'm sure this idea is great that we are not going to make a display of "Bourbon" in the previous articles of the cast section. And of course my favorite character is Sango Yokomizo. Because he's very nice policeman and I love how he interrogates people by getting close to people's face. You know I thought your favorite character is Subaru Okiya (because of your display account on DCTP). --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 04:39, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == Didn't know ==
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| − | Sorry about that. Well I just check the IP that's located in Thailand several times, that is why I thought it could be the same user. But I guess there's a lot of users in Thailand of different locations. Alrighty, I won't do that again. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 05:39, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :Okay I understand, but really, I can't remember. I'll try to be more careful next time.
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| − | ::This is the first time demanding the IP for just one edit contribution. I'm sure of it. Again, I'll repeat again: I'll try to be more careful and think right.
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| − | == Sherry's soliloquy ==
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| − | Hello,
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| − | I don't really know if I understood this thing's concept, but if you need to see old (and now unavailable) parts of a website, perhaps the Internet Archive Wayback Machine can help you ?
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| − | (Sorry for my very bad English, and sorry if it wasn't what you needed) --[[User:Maxdefolsch|Maxdefolsch]] 16:17, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :I feel sort of stupid for not thinking of that... :( Well, I got all the pictures, but I will certainly try an archive in the future. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 18:03, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == Ask ==
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| − | May I revert the picture of Minae with the cap on I uploaded, please? For permission? --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 01:48, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :I revert it now, because I like the picture of Minae wearing a baseball cap better.
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| − | == Question ==
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| − | If Subaru Okiya is revealed to be Shuichi Akai, can we leave the article of Subaru Okiya? --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 17:46, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :That is the plan as far as I know. Basically we have an article for his disguise because a lot of stuff happened. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 20:57, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
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| − | ::Okay good. Thank you. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 21:05, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == FYI ==
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| − | I love what I'm seeing on the handedness complaint. I told you before, I was an IP that previously clashed with you. I don't have that proxy any longer, but you can look me up: 113.192.1.99. I also love how you ran away from a challenge. But without a doubt, my favorite is the fact that you're randomly accusing people of being me sock puppetting and being guilty of a serious offense that makes them not worth your time any further, when you yourself were sock puppeting on Mangafox. By the way, if you still can't decipher my code: start with a Caesar Square. I'm reverting the edit since it's wrong, neither my various proxies nor my natural IP match out to 71.126.239.180 (and just to help you out, my natural IP is 66.87.125.212). If you want to track me down, try actually working at it instead of assuming anyone who questions you must be me.[[Special:Contributions/94.229.86.105|94.229.86.105]] 22:05, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
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| − | ==As you wish==
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| − | I'll work on it. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 18:36, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
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| − | ==Understand==
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| − | I understand. I'll watch over it. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 19:58, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == Heist pictures ==
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| − | You agreed right?! Yes I don't want the pictures to be stretched out funny.<br>
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| − | I don't understand though; the screencaps are taken from my DVDs. They're not stretched. This is what the image looks like before I shrunk the width to 640px. http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg555/skyedream75/vlcsnap-2012-07-14-16h25m46s9.png 720x480. And as I said, this is from the actual DVD footage. I don't see how shrinking the image to 640x427 (using the constrain proportions setting on Photoshop) destroys the ratio. It keeps it and then maintains the width set by other images. --[[User:Skyechan|Skyechan]] 20:29, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :Sorry couldn't help it. I was a little angry.
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| − | == Sorry ==
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| − | Alright. I'm really sorry. Please don't ban me. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 14:28, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == Ask ==
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| − | Umm can I change the detail of Someda Kamiyo of "Was with Genta when he saw the thief" into "Witness"? Umm please? Of course he says he didn't see the thief which is actually he is the thief. He could still be called witness if he did see anything or not and of course the fact can still be said that he is with Genta when he saw the thief in the plot story. So is that okay? I'm more satisfied as that. And that's why I want to ask you for permission. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 21:23, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :You don't have to ask me for permission to edit the people section because I edited it. Just make the change, and if I don't like it, we'll civilly discuss it until we reach a mutually agreeable solution -- which is how it is supposed to work. I don't mind "witness". [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 21:55, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
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| − | ::Thank you.
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| − | == Question ==
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| − | What are you going to edit about Kaitou Kid? Curious though.
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| − | :Since August is going to be mostly Kaitou Kid related anime episodes, I have set up a topic on the forum to pick a Kaitou Kid themed article for featured article, and I am going to change the featured song (I randomly picked one from movie three), and the "did you know" section to Magic Kaito trivia. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 22:01, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
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| − | ::Oh okay.
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| − | == Edit conflict ==
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| − | I'm so sorry, just had to add u at the end of "Kaito" Kid.
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| − | == Spider ==
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| − | WHAT?!!!! That's Spider?!!! I thought it was Kazumi Sanada in shady figure of the magazine! Cannot believe it!
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| − | :I saw his image in an earlier episode preview, and thought he was a lady, so I didn't post the image because I wasn't sure if it was someone else, or the animators decided to make Jody Hopper from the Red Tear look really ugly. :X [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 17:16, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
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| − | ::Heck NO WAY! That ain't Jody Hopper! :X Jody Hopper is supposed to be cute girl.
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| − | == Upload picture == | + | == Hideous Anime Aggregate Site Watermarks? == |
| − | Can you go to [[The Secret of the Red Tear]] and upload the picture of Spider in Characters introduced section?
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| − | == Nothing ==
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| − | Sorry it's nothing. Sorry.
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| − | :Yeah yeah. I'm cool, I'm cool. No worries.
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| − | == Question ==
| + | Hey Chekhov, it's been a while. Glad to see the place is still up and running! Quick question for you. I noticed a strange category while reading the [[Masumi Sera]] page. <nowiki>[[Category:This page has images with hideous anime aggregate site watermarks]]</nowiki>. There are a few pages that have this category. Do you know anything about it? --[[User:Jigsaw|Jigsaw]] ([[User talk:Jigsaw|talk]]) 05:26, 14 August 2017 (CEST) |
| − | Is haunted house a crime or type of incident? No, right? --[[User:S261157|S261157]] 21:37, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
| + | :No Chekhov, but DCW images should be watermarkless. TV watermarks are accepted but let's say a watermark with the name of the anime site on it moving around that's something DCW don't want. I'll check out that category someday and see if there's anything to do. --[[User:Intervencion|Intervencion]] ([[User talk:Intervencion|talk]]) 10:09, 12 February 2019 (UTC) |
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| − | == No no no == | + | == Delete image == |
| − | No no no no PLEASE!!!! Stope please I beg you! I understand! But please, this is what I want. TT_TT
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| − | Okay I'm sorry! Please give me a chance! I promise! I'll stop! Please!
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| − | :No. Go cool your head for a week and take a break. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 21:50, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
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| − | ::No please, I don't want be blocked for a week. I swear to you! I'll stop. I want to work on wiki everyday.
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| − | :::No. You need to stop and think about your behavior here. If you were in my position and trying to do the right thing, how would you feel about someone who when asked to explain told you he had no good reasons for doing it his way other than he thinks it is good, then ignored you, deleted your messages, and went about undoing your changes. Also this person has done this to you several times before? You'd be frustrated and want to stop him, right? Also I'd like to point out if you attempt to evade the block using IP addresses I will ban those and your main account for longer. Just take a break, find another wiki to play with for a week, or something like that. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 22:05, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == ??? ==
| + | So I made the mistake of relying on Google translations for a minor character I saw listed in the credits of an episode. As it turns out, the translation was flawed and the character in question has no name. Would you mind deleting this file for me when you get a chance? Thanks! --[[User:Jigsaw|Jigsaw]] ([[User talk:Jigsaw|talk]]) 05:01, 28 August 2017 (CEST) |
| − | Huh?
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| − | :I'm just putting categories down vertically. What are you talking about?
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| − | ::Well maybe it's just a coincidence. There's nothing wrong about it.
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| − | :::So you think I'm S261157? Just because of that Sogeking user? | |
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| − | == Misunderstood ==
| + | [[File:Kanshiki.jpg]] |
| − | Excuse me, I'm Neutron4869 and I believe you are making a mistake. I don't quite understand of what's going on about this S261157 person who removes the description of the people section. I removed it because I thought it was fine when I read the manga that only says the name and the age few weeks ago. But since you undo it, then okay. My mistake. This is my request: Can you unblock my Neutron4869 account? I'm telling you this that you are accusing the wrong person. --[[User:Neutron|Neutron]] 9:19, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :Sorry, but I am not keen on unblocking it right now because I still think you are S261157. I alerted the other mods to your account from the first edit you made. When I originally blocked S261157, I made a profile of his behavior, the types of edits he likes to make, when and where he likes to make them, and when various events occurred -- because I expected S261157 to sockpuppet and I needed a reference to compare user behavior to. You matched up suspicious with regards to all of them and the removal of the suspect information was the tipping point. Your account is not blocked on the main forum, so if you could private message there, I will give some more details which you can dispute if you like. I don't want to block uninvolved people by mistake of course. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 15:58, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
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| − | ::Perhaps you're being too suspicious right now. I know it's hard to believe it, but it's not what you think. I would really appreciate if you unblock my old account. Just because someone removes the description of the people section doesn't always mean it's this S261157 person. I'm being honest to you right now. I'm not him. This is very unfortunate for me since this S261157 made these sneaky things and the new users gets blocked just because of the similar edits. Also, I made a little mistake. So, can you please unblock my old account? --[[User:Neutron|Neutron]] 16:37, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :::Sorry, as I said before I still think you are S261157. You have the option of discussing it with me by private message because this is a sensitive issue. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 16:46, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == Can't find messenger on DCW forum ==
| + | :Was this ever deleted? --[[User:Intervencion|Intervencion]] ([[User talk:Intervencion|talk]]) 10:09, 12 February 2019 (UTC) |
| − | Chekhov, I can't find the messenger on the forum to talk to you in private. How do I find messenger to talk you in private? --[[User:Neutron|Neutron]] 23:59, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
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| − | :In the upper right by your picture, if you click your name it will list the messenger. Alternately, you click the profile of the person you want to message and it will list "send me a message" on the left. [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 00:17, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
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| − | == Don't you remember == | + | == Problem with blocking an Italian IP == |
| − | Don't you remember my name? Yong? It's me.
| + | Hi, I want to point out that two years ago you blocked an Italian IP, but the block had the unfortunate effect of also preventing me from editing this wiki, even though my IP is completely different to that of the person you wanted to block. I tried writing from other computers, from two different Italian regions, but all of them were blocked. The ban was meant to last one year, but aftet that you prolonged it for one more year, .until it finally expired yesterday. If you ever need to block an Italian IP again, I hope that you can find a way of doing it without other unregistered users being involuntarily affected by the ban. --[[Special:Contributions/185.93.230.10|185.93.230.10]] 14:54, 9 March 2018 (CET)-- |
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| − | == Wrong person == | + | == Episodes 536, 627-628, 652-655 & 602== |
| − | I was surprised that this S261167 person shares the same location, but it's true. I live in the same location. You have block the wrong person and I must finish my gallery. | + | Hi Chekhov! |
| | + | I have a problem with the Voice Cast of some episodes (in occurence episode 536, 627-628, 652-655 and 602). I posted it also on Skyechan's talkpage but she (or he?) didn't answer me. It (because I don't know Skyechan's identity) said it helped me fix it on episode 651 but it didn't work on these three. Thanks for helping (if you can). |
| | + | [[User:Nakamura|Nakamura]]. |
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| − | ==Confession and a deal== | + | ===== Normal Characters ===== |
| − | Okay fine, you got me, I am S261157 and listen. Please listen to me. Okay listen up, here's a deal. I wanted all things to start over. Of course I screwed up and argue stuff, making conflicts. Listen, if you can just change the block settings into one week for me not to edit the wiki, I will not evade the block. If I did evade the block, you can change the block settings into one year. I worked really hard on the wiki for two whole years and this isn't how I should get. I regret all my lies and sneaky things and all my actions. But you have to trust me on this one. Change the block settings into one week and I will not edit the wiki for a week by evading the block. If I did evade, you can change the block settings. I just want to get my chance back to edit the wiki. And look don't worry, I changed myself and I won't edit war ever again with you. I just didn't know how things were find out and I learned my lesson. You're the moderator and I underestimate you. So do we have a deal? I want to earn the trust back. I regret all my actions for evading the block.
| + | I'm thinking of creating pages for each normal characters and other minor law enforcement characters. I know I'll first need approval. I saw they put pages for normal characters in Conanwiki.org. Do you think it's appropriate? |
| − | :I am sorry about all those things. But please. Just test me, I want my block settings to a week. I just want one more chance. I suggest for you to test me if I'm not evading or not for a week. When you change the block settings to week of S261157, block the Holmes51 account infinite. Just test me.
| + | :Go ahead :P Wiki's moto is "be bold" as in don't feel shy to create something. Recurrent characters is better to have pages, but it doesn't hurt to have really minor characters to have its page. --[[User:Intervencion|Intervencion]] ([[User talk:Intervencion|talk]]) 10:09, 12 February 2019 (UTC) |
| − | ::You have to trust me, please. I won't screw up again. One year is impossible for me! I love editing this wiki. If someone learned a lesson, you have to give them one more chance. Look, I know I am so ashame to myself. Just give me one week of ban. Please! | |
| − | :::Okay, how about one month. That's my final offer. Look I was wrong and I won't do it again. Honest.
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| − | ::::Whoa whoa whoa hold on, six months!? I said week of banning
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| − | :::::Oh oh ok ok ok, alright I got it. If the other mods agree, then you set to one week on banning. Alright I got ya.
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| − | == By accident for forgetting == | + | == Dark Blizzard soliloquy images all wrong == |
| − | Chekhov, please forgive me! I edit the magic kaito special 9 by forgetting the topic ban! Please, then can you ban me for a week then if that's my punishment? Not six months?! I didn't mean to break your rule, and I'm so sorry! It was an accident really! Honest! I totally forgot! --[[User:S261157|S261157]]
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| − | :Wait you said no editing special episodes but everything else where there aren't people boxes is ok. That's what you said right? Magic Kaito special 9 has no people boxes. So is it still breaking the rules?
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| − | == Corrections ==
| + | Can you delete all the soliloquy images starting from 2019-02-18? I have no idea where Dark Blizzard is taking them from but they’re not the original pictures, maybe they’re compressed or something I don’t know nor do I care. I have saved all of the original pictures but the wiki is stupid and is telling me “this is a duplicate” when I try to replace Dark’s ones (I may be doing something wrong idk). They’re not duplicates, Dark’s are missing a lot of metadata, have different colors, and different file sizes. So can you just go ahead and delete all these so I can upload the originals? A few of his dates are wrong too but that’s besides the point. |
| − | In [[Shinichi Kudo's Childhood Adventure]], Can you switch Kisaki Eri into Eri Kisaki and add "u" at the end of Kaito in Toichi Kuroba as Kaito Kid? --[[User:S261157|S261157]]
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| − | == Re: Ran saves Ai image ==
| + | https://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/File:SherrysSoliloquy2019-02-18.JPG |
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| − | Hm... Actually I think that one has accurate scale, since it is a full screenshot of the scene. And full screenshots tend to have that kind of scale (even though it doesn't look very nice to the eyes). For example, if you compare it to the images with Shinichi and Ran on the same page and some other full screenshots, you'll see that the scales are approximately the same after re-sizing to the same pixel but still keep the ratio (even when the original sizes are different):
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| − | <div class="left">[[File:Ran saves Ai.jpg|left|200px]]</div>
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| − | <div class="left">[[File:Shinichi and Ran.jpg|left|200px]]</div>
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| − | <div class="left">[[File:Shinichi Confesses.jpg|left|200px]]</div>
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| − | <div class="left">[[File:EP622-623 Gallery 2.jpg|left|200px]]</div>
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| − | <div class="left">[[File:MK8 building check.PNG|left|200px]]</div>
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| − | <div class="left">[[File:Hakuba as Sherlock Holmes.jpg|left|200px]]</div>
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| − | <div class="left">[[File:MK8 Paul's performance.PNG|left|200px]]</div>
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| − | <div class="left">[[File:MK8 Jody used Flamethrower! It's Super Effective!.PNG|left|200px]]</div>
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| − | I think the reason why other images look more "balanced" is either because they're not a full screenshot (e.g. cropped) or because they were sketched in size without maintaining the original ratio. - [[User:Black Demon|Black Demon]]
| + | https://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/File:SherrysSoliloquy2019-03-01.JPG |
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| − | :I'll upload the new one into a right aspect ratio picture. Leave it to me. --[[User:S261157|S261157]] | + | https://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/File:SherrysSoliloquy2019-03-08.JPG |
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| − | ::But it is in right aspect ratio - [[User:Black Demon|Black Demon]] | + | https://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/File:SherrysSoliloquy2019-03-15.JPG |
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| − | :::OK, then I'll leave it to S261157 to upload the new version - [[User:Black Demon|Black Demon]] | + | https://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/File:SherrysSoliloquy2019-04-18.JPG |
| − | ::::Thanks for the tip ^^ [[User:Black Demon|Black Demon]]
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| − | == Speaking about the Anokata article... ==
| + | https://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/File:SherrysSoliloquy2019-04-27.JPG |
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| − | Some months ago there was an interview of Gosho that mentioned some facts about the Boss' identity, not sure if you have read it yet (I posted that somewhere in the forum).
| + | https://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/File:SherrysSoliloquy2019-05-12.JPG |
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| − | Gosho said that The Boss is "a person who has appeared with his/her ''full name''" (translated by Mina from DCTP if I'm not mistaken, it was posted at the [http://www.dctp.ws/Latest/ConanNews.htm DCTP Spoiler Cbox] (the one used for translations) during the Mystery Train Case, you can read it there in an archive). However, I can't read much of Japanese so I'm not sure how to understand the phrase "has appeared" here. Is it safe to say that The Boss has been featured in person ?
| + | https://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/File:SherrysSoliloquy2019-06-15.JPG |
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| − | This is the orginal Japanese Q&A:
| + | https://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/File:SherrysSoliloquy2019-06-21.JPG |
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| − | －－コナンに登場する犯罪組織の黒幕は、男ですか、女ですか
| + | : Sorry. Well the page looked abandoned. Deleted them for you. The older ones were taken from external source. The last 2 were taken from official Conatsu website and yeah they aren't compressed. Do tell me if any change is required. Since you uploaded new version of the first one, it was kept that way. Thank You. [[User:Dark Blizzard|Dark Blizzard]] ([[User talk:Dark Blizzard|talk]]) 18:30, 24 June 2019 (UTC) |
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| − | 「それは言えない。でも、今までにフルネームで登場している人です」
| + | :: You’re right your last 2 uploads are good. I tried replacing the other ones and most seem to be fixed, but I don’t think you deleted your 03-01, 03-08, and 03-15 versions? Those are still wrong despite my attempt to replace them. 04-27 too actually. |
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| − | The page itself: http://sankei.jp.msn.com/life/news/120630/bdy12063007000000-n1.htm (That part's in page 4)
| + | :: As far as the rest of the page goes I stopped reading Conan a few years ago and my upkeeping of the page has been dwindling ever since. I still follow the Conatsu site to always save the images because I know those disappear rather quickly and I don’t want them to be lost. I delay updating the wiki though just because I’m lazy I guess.--[[User:ALAKTORN|ALAKTORN]] ([[User talk:ALAKTORN|talk]]) 02:11, 25 June 2019 (UTC) |
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| − | But the only problem here is that no one is sure whether this interview is real or not, which is the reason why I never included it here. So what do you think, should we add it or not ?
| + | ::: If you mean that it still shows the old version, it's fine. It is a common problem with the wiki's caching system. It will show the right image after a few days. And, I will be updating that page if it goes outdated for weeks. In that case, just tell me if anything is wrong. [[User:Dark Blizzard|Dark Blizzard]] ([[User talk:Dark Blizzard|talk]]) 05:29, 25 June 2019 (UTC) |
