User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin

Re: Questionable deletion in pilgrim

No worries. :) --Skyechan 23:06, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Vote please!

http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/Talk:Anime#Seasons --Skyechan 23:34, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Gadgets

The Electronic Notebook Map is supposed to be Electronic Noteback Map Profile because all Gadgets article have Rectangle pictures that has "Profile" at the end of the name of the gadget. So I'm saying this that it wasn't a wrong name and I just want to ask you to go to The Kidnapping Location Case and create a picture of a square shape of Electronic Notebook Map with no "Profile" name at the end of the named gadget. Um... do you kind of understand? I'm just stating the fact.

I moved it back to the profile name. I don't have a 100x100 image of the map prepared right now. Chekhov MacGuffin ^talk 18:30, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh well sorry. But they will be 100 px soon it future.

One more thing

There's one more thing I like to ask you. Can you go to Detective Chiba article and change the Officer Chiba Profile into Detective Chiba Profile?

Apologies

Right, sorry about that. --S261157 16:56, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

You're very welcome. And I'm still sorry about in the past that we had conflicts. Sometimes I was wrong. Just fixing it really in my caring way. --S261157 00:43, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Apologies

I'm sorry.

Relationships

Okay, then what about the rest of the characters? Do you want them to be changed to subheaders of characters name in relationship analysis?

It depends on how many characters listed there are. Take Ran, which has five people listed with only one or two under each heading. That doesn't really need subheaders at this point. You can put them there, but it doesn't matter much to navigation. Conan on the other hand has a ton of them, so subheaders work well there. From a mod perspective, I wouldn't revert you if you changed every character's relationships to subheaders, but I would if you tried to change, say, Conan, to bullet points. It's kind of a judgement call. Use your time where you think it is the most needed. Chekhov MacGuffin ^talk 21:37, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Toru Amuro

Question, is Amuro really important character? --S261157 22:40, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Well I'm about to put in the characters article of character chart. Should I do that?

Re: Police Insignias

Thanks! I did run across it in my research -- I'm currently compiling a combination General/Culture police page and the various ranks we canonly know of for the characters. Hopefully I'll have it up soon. Also, if there's a good place on the individual pages to add a picture, I'll look into it next. Ocianne 15:19, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Vermouth appearances

Well, I procrastinated for a LONG time with making an appearance page for Vermouth due to the complication of her multiple disguises, but I finally created something of a rough draft to work with. The article is located here. I'll fill out the Anime section at a later date, but I was wondering if you had any suggestions for better organizing the list. If you could take a look at it when you get a chance and tell me your thoughts, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thank you! :) --Jigsaw 17:50, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Oops… I’m rather late in responding to your response, but thank you very much! I'm slightly preoccupied with other stuff right now (both DCW and real life), so no need to rush with this. I look forward to hearing your thoughts, however! Thanks again, Chekhov. =) --Jigsaw 04:13, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Drama 2

That's the point. It was rectangle shape of actor and actress's name so I change them into anime temporary and make a square shape of the actual name later. Ok no anime but of course those pictures will be changed into right names of actors and actresses. --S261157 19:57, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Timeline Detail

Since you're the mod who created the page, I figured I'd ask your opinion regarding how much detail in-storyline events merit for the timeline, especially for complicated buildups like the Vermouth arc. Should it err on 'this event happened', or 'this event happened in this summarized way and these things play into later events down the timeline'? --Ocianne 05:31, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

That helped a bit, thanks. I went with 'simple and straightforward, but hitting the high points' as much as seemed possible.--Ocianne 01:43, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

RE: Battle of the Haunted Warehouse's Treasure

No worries. It's understandable when you consider the unusual combination of characters that I added to the article. Gotta love random flashbacks. =P --Jigsaw 04:19, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

P.S. I was just about to suggest archiving some of your talk page. Guess you were one step ahead of me. Sorry for the multiple talk page notifications by the way. Last one, I promise. =P --Jigsaw 04:21, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Other Culture Page

Icka found this link earlier and I wanted to share it with you. http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Detective_Conan Perhaps we'll get to work on a page like this at some point in the future? ^^; --Skyechan 06:00, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Pictures in Akai's Truck

Noticed you removed a line regarding it. I can't double-check at the moment, but I think the pictures in question might appear in the truck in the opening of episode 345? Hope this helps! --Skyechan 11:33, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry

Okay. Sorry about that --S261157 17:38, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for explaining things for me. :) The edit conflicts were indeed confusing. Thankfully I saved all my work on Microsoft Word prior to adding it here. --Jigsaw 17:48, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Mistake

Oh okay, sorry. --S261157 23:36, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Curiosity

Not sure how many people will see the talk pages so thought I'd ask you since we're both pretty much up to date on stuff. Do you have any ideas where one of the editors got Shizuka and Makoto's English names (Melinda Hartwell? Taylor Somerset?) from? I'm pretty sure nothing with them was ever dubbed but I wanted to double-check to see if I'm missing something. It looks like that information was added by our anonymous IP person so I highly doubt it's legitimacy. But that said, thought I'd double-check anyway because otherwise the info needs to be removed as soon as possible. :/ --Skyechan 14:14, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Appreciate

Thank you for deleting the other Ryoma article. --S261157 22:08, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Re: Redirects

No worries. I'm just glad to see the character list looks a bit more manageable now. --Skyechan 03:24, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Re: Volume 75 Edit

Yaiba does appear, as a character on the TV during that particular scene. I'm not sure how we should handle listing the character now though. Ryusuke Higo appeared on the TV during this scene as well and this is simply mentioned under the recurring characters page. --Skyechan 02:19, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Re: Reverting Vandalism

Got it. Thanks anyway. --S261157 19:25, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

You're very welcome, Ms. MacGuffin. I always check the recent changes, and I always don't want anything stupid on DCW. I'm like a security guard and I respect to Aoyama-sensei very much. --S261157 20:44, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Appreciate

That is a good call indeed! Thank you! :) --S261157 04:01, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Hold on

What about Shinichi, Conan, Ran, and Kogoro? Shinichi and Ran's age are 16-17, Conan's age 6-7, and Kogoro's age is 37-38. That's why I changed "38" into 37-38. I mean thats still fine right? I mean yes it's true. She did turn into 38. I understand the source. But it can still be fine to leave as 37-38 meaning she did change into 38. Yusaku and Kogoro has 37-38 on it. --S261157 21:08, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

(Sigh) All right. If you say so.

Re: Thanks

I try. :) I always appreciate a second pair of eyes to catch my own typos, especially when it's a large body of text. Hope you don't mind the minor edits I made in the Relationships sections. --Ocianne 23:52, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

RE: MK Special 6 picture

When I created the images for the live-action series I figured out that having the smaller image sizes prevents squishing, pixelation, and other oddities from automatic resizing in the wiki. Personally I would not use the image the person chose for 6 as it is way too dark, but I don't have access to the raw episode yet, so I simply resized the image to match previous uploads. --Skyechan 17:06, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Report

This IP 182.5.106.28 is messing up the wiki. Don't even know why Masumi Sera is taken out of Character articles. Can you stop him or her! This IP is also deleting parts in Masumi Sera article. --S261157 16:22, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Whew! Thank you!

Handedness Article

I'm not familiar with editing formats, so I'd like to make this request for you to personally handle. In the handedness article, you should include a very important detail into Akai's shooting in Chapter 504. Akai was using a right handed Bolt Action Rifle. This important because left handed people either order a left handed Bolt Action or hold them like a right handed person; the use of the Bolt is extremely awkward and difficult if a right handed Bolt Action is held lefty style, and vice versa. It could be a slip up on Aoyama's part, but it's worth mentioning since all we have is reasoning to draw Akai's hand on; it's possible this is meant to show us Akai is faking his left handedness and overplayed his part in this shooting.

Also, for the article in general, may I recommend a more detailed description of each person's movements with their hands? I noticed you discounted the possibility of Akai using a right cross against the bus jacker in Chapter 289, left out the fact that Akai was searching the fruit basket and had just occupied his right hand in Chapter 601 (unless your contention is that Akai knew right away that it was directly under the apple) and should also point out he started this search with his right hand, you left out when Gin used his phone with his right hand in Chapter 603 because he placed it in a right pocket due to the fact that at that time he needed his left hand for the laptop that was showing him the contents of the vans, and you put his assassination of Pisco in Chapter 242 as "Unavoidable," when this itself is an assumption; there are people in the world who can use a body part that's in extreme pain without drugs, so it deserves a mention if nothing else. Also, I think pointing out Vodka's watch changing hands as a continuity error in Chapter 383 is wrong because you already pointed out Aoyama erroneously had watches on dominant hands before that in the same section; it seems redundant and it's clearly Aoyama cleaning up his prior mistake. That's just what I noticed, and there may be more. - 71.126.239.180

Hi 71.126.239.180, the the handedness article is actually a personal reference page because its a bit too specific to be a real article, but I welcome any and all corrections and additions. I looked into it, (read visiting imfdb) and the Accuracy International Arctic Warfare that Akai is using is indeed right handed, which I will make a note of. I think it is likely to be a slip up on Aoyama's part (lefties drawn/pictured using righty rifles happens a lot, so I've been told), because it would be the height of foolishness for Akai to handicap himself by using his off dominant hand on a one-try-only precision shot from 700 yards. Akai has been shown to prefer his left hand in other tense short-notice-to-react situations, like the scene with Vermouth.

Regarding the other part or your request, sure I can make it more detailed, but that will take a bit of time.

• 289 was definitely a left handed strike because that was the hand Akai was swinging around to hit (this is from the manga, you can see the movement lines). If you are saying he was bringing his right hand around, that is unlikely; he was facing nearly backwards from the robber and squatting at the time meaning the rotation needed for a fluid hit with the right is impossible.

• In 601, I do think he was expecting a bomb under the fruit (he thinks as much in the next panel!), and that he was freeing his left hand to grab it. It was someone else's gift, so it isn't exactly polite to set fruit down wherever, which he would have had to do if he was using his left handed only.

• In 603, Gin actually has two radios in this scene which I should have clarified. I am assuming you are talking about the first radio (page 4) that he uses to talk to the motorcycle trio using his right hand. It's hard to tell from the art but it could be a radio connected to the dash with a cord because it has no antenna, so I will make a note that it could be unavoidable if it is corded, it would hang up on the right side of Gin on the dash. I don't see where he put it in his pocket. Gin likes to keep his hands in his pockets whenever he isn't doing anything with them, so I am not going to risk wrongly interpreting it as he put the radio in the pocket versus setting the radio down in his lap or something like that. This is especially the case if it is a corded radio.

• I put the assassination with Pisco as unavoidable because Gin had an injury that limited the actions he could take with one of his hands. The inability to grip and stabilize properly because of gross tissue damage, Conan's tranq in his system, and general pain might throw his aim (Pisco might try to run for it.) if he tried to use his right hand. He would have used his left anyway, but because the option of using his right was limited, I listed it as unavoidable.

• I plan to keep the note about Vodka's watch because it was an important clue in determining Vodka's handedness for sure - as a contrast to Gin, and I think it is important to note the point of transition.

Chekhov MacGuffin ^talk 15:19, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

It looks more like he's sideways to me, and if it is that's how you gear up a left outward chop, a left elbow, a right cross, and maybe a few other attacks. And you actually just made a new point for me. When you strike, you're supposed to put your whole body behind it. This could be another error by Aoyama, but it looks like more power would be given to a right handed attack with only minute accuracy errors; a right handed attack would be fine as long Akai's style isn't Krav Maga.

The point I was trying to make with the fruit basket is that it's one thing to know/expect to find a bomb, it's another to know exactly where it's located. You're right, setting the apple down randomly would be rude, but the point I'm making is that Akai got lucky and the first fruit he pulled was directly over the bomb. What if it wasn't? What would his next move have been? And how does this effect the article? That's all I'm saying: taking the bomb should be an Unavoidable, not a Miscellaneous, and taking the fruit is tough to call.

No, I was talking about the second device Gin used to talk with Vermouth, and I assumed it was his cell phone. The pocket was my mistake, I was looking at a darker scanlation and thought the seat was empty, and with his hand in his pocket I assumed he was reaching for it in there. However, my general point still remains the same: these moments belong in Unavoidable. On a few of these early pages a laptop or similar device that was feeding him the scans of the vans was on his lap, which, according to page 6, had him inputting commands of some kind (my guess would be moving between, and perhaps opening, the scans). The device he used to communicate with Vermouth is unavoidable due to where he placed it, and the device from page 4 can be considered unavoidable (regardless of any cord) since he was keeping his left hand ready to use the same laptop, and this laptop is an additional reason to suggest that even if the second was on his lap close to his left hand he would use his right hand. Additionally, putting the first device into his right hand can be attributed to the gear shift, so this is an additional moment that I think is better suited to Unavoidable.

Fair enough. However, how about including this little description? Your reasoning's sound, but since the possibility of this being optional is still real without concrete evidence from Aoyama, I think this deserves noting.

And the Vodka note was just an aesthetic suggestion. Like I said, including the previous note and this one makes the point sound redundant, but that's not necessarily a bad thing for a wiki.

Final notes on the shoot out. We don't actually know which hand Akai made the all important, one chance shot with; nobody saw how he held the rifle until after he made that shot. For fairness to bolt actions, they're famously considered more accurate than semi-automatics. For the scene (and this could be a manga's limitations), Aoyama made Akai's final shots look like they were fired from a semi-automatic, so another possible artistic blunder is worth noting somewhere. And as a word of wisdom, nothing that can be used as evidence in a mystery story should ever be chalked up as an artistic blunder before the truth it is/could be evidence for is revealed or the creator and/or staff says so.

Also, while I'm here, may I make one more request? A friend and I went over this series and this wiki, and I just noticed that a single idea we had was absent from the most logical of places on the site. Does a section or article concerning the possibility of a traitor in the FBI exist somewhere?

Regarding Akai's strike, again Akai is squatting while facing away. He is in the middle of what clearly is going to be a left hand outside chop to the hijacker, so he must have been facing even more backwards when he started the attack. Since he was facing away from the robber and squatting, he didn't have much option for the attack.

He would have pushed the apple off to the side and grabbed another fruit.

I did list Vermouth's radio in grey which equates to no clear handedness. The reason I put it in the radio section instead of unavoidable is because Gin may have made a choice to set it down to his right in the first place instead of say, in his pocket. As we did not see the initial setup, its indeterminable, but not necessarily unavoidable. The first radio is considered handed, because he switched hands while holding it, meaning using it was not unduly handedness restrictive.

It is unlikely Akai switched hands. Switching hands would mean switching the side of the cheekpiece, adjusting the positioning of the scope from a cross eye configuration to a same side eye configuration, and then taking the time after that to recenter on the target because Akai dropped his form. It takes too long. I doubt Akai would even be able to fire back on Gin if he did all of that.

Regarding a traitor in the FBI, I think it is strongly unlikely for multiple reasons. The scope of the FBI I am considering is the group in Japan that we have witnessed. Other FBI I am not concerned about because they are not a part of the story so far.

• If there was a traitor in the FBI, Rena's holding location would have been known and thus there was no need for Vermouth to interrogate the child and act like she had found out new information - who would she need to fool when she is reporting it too her fellow Black Org members?
• Gin would not needed to deduce which van Rena was being held in. Sure, the Black Org could have followed all three at first to keep up appearances, but it was clear Gin did not initially know which van Hidemi was in and then deduced it on his own when he heard from Vermouth that Akai that was following the second van - a bluff.
• Conan appeared in front of the whole assembly of FBI during the strategy meeting of Red and Black. If a traitor has witnessed that, Conan would have been investigated if not killed ("accidentally" if that was the case) soon after Red vs. Black. If Conan was investigated, this would have likely led to the uncovering of Haibara Ai, as the people connected to Conan would be investigated. She could easily be spotted by someone tailing Conan to school while studying his movement routine for example.

The FBI traitor theory is not particularly common, nor is it is not supported by evidence so far. The wiki itself operates with an inclusion standard of strong and reasonable evidence for a theory to be included (See the Akai faked his death theory for example) unless it is particularly common and this one is not. If you want to create a personal user page of the theory with details and then ask on the main forum if it acceptable for inclusion, be my guest. That is what I did for the three theory pages that I wrote.

Chekhov MacGuffin ^talk 19:54, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I'll concede the attack, but only cause I didn't consider that he had already turned a bit.

My stance on the fruit, however, remains. Had it not been under the apple, Akai would have used his left hand for the next fruit while putting the apple aside, and had that one hidden the bomb his right hand would have pulled the bomb up (at the same time, if he needed to move another, then we're back to his left hand holding the bomb). As such, I say it remains as follows: the right hand was his choice (and your theory on why is as valid as mine) and the left hand holding the bomb was Unavoidable as a result of the previous choice, but this was not an effort used for the bomb but an effort used for a search.

I'll agree with Gin's radios if you just include the laptop in your description - this last device was absent once again from the description, so it'd be a little premature to give total agreement.

As for the traitor, allow me to speak my mind on this subject: - If there is a traitor, they don't want him/her compromised due to the value of having someone keeping tabs on the FBI. As such, Rena and Conan need to be something the Black Organization learns in its own time - if either (particularly Rena - after the DJ case Conan and the people around him are already sitting on the edge of a boiling pot) dies or is found prematurely, the traitor's existence is revealed and all value of having him/her in the FBI is gone; the traitor can only be exposed when in a position to destroy all files on the Organization, kill all agents connected to the case, and end their investigation permanently: since we're talking about the FBI, that means the traitor's in until death. - You're acting off the assumption every agent who initially knew Rena's location at the end of this case are the only suspects - I'm a fan of the idea Camel's the traitor for this reason (among others - my friend falls more into the James Black idea using the above point with others). - Twice in the Clash of Red and Black arc, Gin talked about an informant - the first was in Chapter 603, where the informant seemed to be unable to give him anything on the FBI's movements but did give Gin a back up plan he didn't want to use; the second was in Chapter 607 where the Gin knew the details of the investigation Camel was caught in. These aren't necessarily the same informant, but it does mean they had someone(s) watching the FBI even after they reclaimed Rena. - Speaking of Rena, Gin seemed almost certain that Akai would come alone to meet with her. Additionally, when Scar Akai appeared, Gin's first thought in Chapter 700 was "Kir screwed me," not "Akai cheated death." He completely disregarded the idea that Rena was tricked just like the rest of them and instead said she and Akai were co-conspiring.

Question

On the new opening of Detective Conan, the Miss Mystery. Conan's voice sounds little different. Is that Minami Takayama's voice or is it someone else that's replacing her? Or am I mishearing because Conan's voice sounds little squeaky or not that squeaky or I don't know if I'm mishearing things am I? --S261157 16:41, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I hope Minami Takayama doesn't retire because I LOVED her voice very much!

Thank goodness!

IP deleting things

This IP 182.9.104.47 is back again. This is the third time!

I fixed back of Masumi Sera article. Seriously, this IP makes me so mad! --S261157 04:29, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Sure.