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{{quote|"Kudo-kun? You would probably never even dream that you are already part of a project the Black Organization has been working on already for half a century."|Haibara's thoughts on Shinichi's shrunken predicament<ref>Manga [[Volume 19#File_189_-_The_Endangered_Ball|Volume 19, File 9 (189), Page 6: The Endangered Ball]]; [[The Stadium Indiscriminate Threatening Case|Episodes 130-131: The Stadium Indiscriminate Threatening Case]]</ref>}} | {{quote|"Kudo-kun? You would probably never even dream that you are already part of a project the Black Organization has been working on already for half a century."|Haibara's thoughts on Shinichi's shrunken predicament<ref>Manga [[Volume 19#File_189_-_The_Endangered_Ball|Volume 19, File 9 (189), Page 6: The Endangered Ball]]; [[The Stadium Indiscriminate Threatening Case|Episodes 130-131: The Stadium Indiscriminate Threatening Case]]</ref>}} | ||
| − | [[APTX 4869]] is the only known intersection between Shinichi and the Black Organization, meaning that Shinichi's de-aging made him relevant to the Black Organization's project. That project is, according to Haibara, over 50 years old. Atsushi and Elena Miyano only joined the Black Organization some 30 years ago at most when Atsushi left his parents' house to take up research.<ref name=f423>[[Volume_41#File_423_-_A_Mystery_Left_by_a_Visitor|Volume 41, File 423: "A Mystery Left by a Visitor"]]</ref> | + | [[APTX 4869]] is the only known intersection between Shinichi and the Black Organization, meaning that Shinichi's de-aging made him relevant to the Black Organization's project. That project is, according to Haibara, over 50 years old. Atsushi and Elena Miyano only joined the Black Organization some 30 years ago at most when Atsushi left his parents' house to take up research.<ref name=f423>[[Volume_41#File_423_-_A_Mystery_Left_by_a_Visitor|Volume 41, File 423: "A Mystery Left by a Visitor"]]</ref> Even if one assumes their [[Silver Bullet (drug)|Silver Bullet]] project was created immediately, that means there are at least 20 years unaccounted for prior to the Miyanos joining where the Black Organization had a project that APTX 4869 could be considered a piece of. |
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{{quote|'''Haibara:''' And the fact that <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Kohji Haneda]]'s] name was on the [[List of Black Organization related characters#APTX 4869_Victims|list of victims]] who were given [[APTX 4869]], I'd say there's a good chance that [[Asaka]] was one of the members of the Black Organization!<br> | {{quote|'''Haibara:''' And the fact that <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Kohji Haneda]]'s] name was on the [[List of Black Organization related characters#APTX 4869_Victims|list of victims]] who were given [[APTX 4869]], I'd say there's a good chance that [[Asaka]] was one of the members of the Black Organization!<br> | ||
'''Conan:''' I don't get it. Kohji Haneda was killed 17 years ago. Then why is his name under mine in the list?<br> | '''Conan:''' I don't get it. Kohji Haneda was killed 17 years ago. Then why is his name under mine in the list?<br> | ||
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-Check, does Haibara's quote imply that she didn't work on the other drug the Black Organization wanted? Japanese vs English on implications. | -Check, does Haibara's quote imply that she didn't work on the other drug the Black Organization wanted? Japanese vs English on implications. | ||
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| + | Vermouth's lack of aging presents another conundrum. As explained by Jodie and Akai in their showdown with Vermouth, matching fingerprints mean she is definitely the same woman as the one who killed [[Jodie Starling]]'s father twenty years ago, yet her face hasn't changed. She also admitted to pretending to age.<ref>"It's actually quite tough you know - pretending that it's not just your face, but everything about you that's aging too." (823 p2)</ref> That means at some point Vermouth was exposed to some event or drug which halted her aging, de-aged her, or both. The question is when this would have happened, and this would shed light on what compound affected her. | ||
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| + | At minimum, Vermouth would have had to stop aging sometime before she created Chris because there would be no reason for Chris to exist otherwise. That means Vermouth stopped aging at least 10-29 years ago, which is definitely older than Shiho's five year-old APTX project. | ||
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| + | Vermouth's aging problem probably also predates the 18 year old Silver Bullet Project as well. Twenty years ago, with the same face she has today, she personally murdered Jodie Starling's father and burned all his files because he knew some vital secret. Also 20 years ago, Vermouth was Toichi's apprentice, learning disguise. While not conclusive, both those activities imply that 20 years ago or earlier she had stopped aging and was acting to protect this secret. Finally, there are the suspicious deaths of her family and husband to consider. Assuming she or the Black Organization killed them in order to hide her non-aging secret, her need for makeup skills, and fake pregnancy/child, that would place the timeframe of her non-aging event at least 30 years before the current timeline, matching when Sharon was 20-30 years old. here is no evidence that Silver Bullet actually was a successful compound. In fact, it appears that it was probably the same project as APTX 4869 (discussed in the Black Organization section above.). It's hard to believe she would intentionally take such a drug. | ||
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| − | [[Kohji Haneda]] was killed by an APTX 4869-like drug 17 years ago. | + | <!-- |
| + | [[Kohji Haneda]] was killed by an APTX 4869-like drug 17 years ago. Implies the Miyano parents' APTX drug not working so well. | ||
== Silver Bullet == | == Silver Bullet == | ||
Why it's not silver Bullet. | Why it's not silver Bullet. | ||
Evidence suggests that Silver Bullet and APTX 4869 are the same drug. Even if you assume that is not the case, Haibara's thoughts. | Evidence suggests that Silver Bullet and APTX 4869 are the same drug. Even if you assume that is not the case, Haibara's thoughts. | ||
| − | Haibara says she "resurrected" the research by gathering notes left behind by her parents. | + | Haibara says she "resurrected" the research by gathering notes left behind by her parents. |
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Revision as of 00:03, 2 August 2016
A hypothetical drug or chemical of some sort that predates Atsushi, Elena, and Shiho's work for the Black Organization.
Evidence for existence
50 year old project
"Kudo-kun? You would probably never even dream that you are already part of a project the Black Organization has been working on already for half a century."
—Haibara's thoughts on Shinichi's shrunken predicament[1]
APTX 4869 is the only known intersection between Shinichi and the Black Organization, meaning that Shinichi's de-aging made him relevant to the Black Organization's project. That project is, according to Haibara, over 50 years old. Atsushi and Elena Miyano only joined the Black Organization some 30 years ago at most when Atsushi left his parents' house to take up research.[2] Even if one assumes their Silver Bullet project was created immediately, that means there are at least 20 years unaccounted for prior to the Miyanos joining where the Black Organization had a project that APTX 4869 could be considered a piece of.
Another drug
Haibara: And the fact that [Kohji Haneda's] name was on the list of victims who were given APTX 4869, I'd say there's a good chance that Asaka was one of the members of the Black Organization!
Conan: I don't get it. Kohji Haneda was killed 17 years ago. Then why is his name under mine in the list?
Haibara: Perhaps the person who compiled the list wasn't going by chronological order. Maybe it was sorted by blood type or something.
Conan: Wait a minute, so the drug that I was forced to take existed 17 years ago? And you are its creator? How old are you really?
Haibara: How rude. I've told you before. I am 18 now. Perhaps it was an early prototype of a drug made by my parents. The information for the drug that I created was mostly taken from the burnt remains of the data that my parents left behind.
Conan: Burnt remains? What do you mean?
Haibara: Well, the research lab that my parents worked in caught fire, and along with them, most of their research materials were burnt. I heard from the other members of the Organization that it was an accident.
Well, what I was really ordered to make was another drug, however...—Manga Volume 89, File 11 (948), Pages 3-4: "The Clenched Scissors"
-Check, does Haibara's quote imply that she didn't work on the other drug the Black Organization wanted? Japanese vs English on implications.
References
| APTX 4869 | ||
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| Developers | Atsushi Miyano • Elena Miyano • Shiho Miyano | |
| Victims | Shinichi Kudo • Kohji Haneda • Amanda Hughes • Mary Sera • Shiho Miyano | |
| Antidotes | Prototype antidote • Baijiu | |
| Related Articles | Silver Bullet • Victim list • Case from 17 years ago • Black Organization | |
