User talk:Daniel46

Plot overview

It's encouraged to include a summary of the major appearances of a character in the plot, especially if they are key plot characters. The reason most character articles don't have a plot overview section right now is because no one has put in the work to write them yet. For someone like Haibara who has a lot of appearances, the summaries might not cover every appearance and are likely to brief. Unlike Wikipedia which limits the amount of detail per article, especially in "crufty" articles about characters, specialist wikis like DCWiki tend to aim for the most detail possible keeping in mind extremes. (It would be Overkill to explain what Conan did during every single case in his article for example.) If an article gets too long with plot appearances, then forking the section and making a new article out of it is the best strategy. Right now Haibara's section hasn't reached that point. Chekhov MacGuffin ^talk 16:35, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Maurice is the one to ask about manual of style things like when to make the call that a plot overview section has gotten too long and should be forked to a separate page. My opinion is that plot overview covers the introduction of the character and background is concerned with family relations, personal history, and things that happened prior to the current timeline. As for the Sango swimming thing, I'll fix it if you haven't already. Chekhov MacGuffin ^talk 17:31, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I'd also like to amend something I previously said, based on what I have seen in a few articles. Background also seems like the place for giving general info about the character and a brief summary of their plot role, like an extremely compressed plot overview.Chekhov MacGuffin ^talk 17:41, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I disagree with one thing though, just because some info is present in the background doesn't mean that it should be deleted or moved from plot overview for being repetitive. You can include how someone met in the background, but that information should also be contained with more elaboration of the circumstances and whatnot in plot overview. Chekhov MacGuffin ^talk 18:34, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Scar Akai vs. Shuichi Akai

Just a quick note that as far as descriptions go, the wiki is making a distinction between Scar Akai and Shuichi Akai because it's currently isn't clear if Scar Akai is actually the real Akai. Chekhov MacGuffin ^talk 21:44, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

OAV 05: The Target is Kogoro!! The Detective Boys' Secret Report

Dude, On OAV 05: The Target is Kogoro!! The Detective Boys' Secret Report, It doesn't say Case solved by: Kogoro Mouri! It only says Case solved by: Conan Edogawa! So how are you going to change it? --S261157 21:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Well Can you go to OAV 05, go to edit, and put Kogoro Mouri in "Case Solved By" in front of "Conan Edogawa"? --S261157 21:35, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Good news

Hey, good news! I edited more episodes for Mouri solved Cases. You can fixe the volume number or whatever. --S261157 23:57, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't get it

Hey, on Raven Chaser, It only says case solved by Conan Edogawa, not Conan Edogawa and Kogoro Mouri! And please don't delete some of the volumes. Check out the episodes and look for Case solved By. --S261157 15:20, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk Page

You're not allowed to blank your Talk Page. If it is too full, you should start an archive then you blank your Talk Page. Thanx --conanshinichi 17:20, 20 May 2011 (UTC) hi]] 10:57, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Mistakes on naming images

The image you upload is Ai_OAV_11! It's OVA not OAV! Can you fix that?

Re: Some spell it OAV, some OVA. As they say here in Germany, "It's just as much a jacket as pants" (i.e.: It's all the same stuff).

Are you German? This wiki is English so its supposed to be OVA.

You want an English confirmation regarding this rather useless debate? Look up http://www.cjas.org/~leng/oav.htm or anywhere else on Google. In any case, for me it's just the same.
And P.S.: 1) Please don't look down on people 'cause they ain't English-born, and 2) I just happen to speak English quite fluently.

Not important character

The principal is not the important character. It's only recurring character.

Re: I think as a recurring character he does deserve an individual entry. Well, we'll have to see whether he does make any more - and more important - appearances, though.

It's still people so he doesn't deserve his individual entry.

I've reported this to S261157. The principal is not an important character. Just a recurring character.

It's correct for a non-important recurring character to have his/her own page. It's fine. We have many other characters like that. Example: Hideo Akagi, Misae Yamamura, etc... The simple fact that it's a recurring character means that he/she has had some impact on the storyline, no matter how minor that may be. I'm putting Daniel's edit back up. --Maurice ^talk 19:05, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Crime box

Daniel46, Look I’m sorry. But the crime boxes have to be in the middle of the text. I assure you it’s not a wrong idea. One of IPs agreed and it makes more sense to them. Please understand this, For example: Like this passage, Blah, blah blah, while Conan and Ran are walking, they found the dead body. (Crime box appears) It makes more sense. It doesn’t have to be above the text as an introduction crime box. Besides take a look at the Clash of Red and Black article. Crime boxes occur in the story and Chekkov MacGuffin works really hard on it. Multiple boxes in different location passage of what it says makes sense in parts of the episode. But since you keep changing it, please stop. We should stop this war editing. We’re just going to have a talk with the administrator, Maurice. So from now on, do not change the revision until Maurice decides. Hope this clears out. --S261157 21:36, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Kir

I undid most of your changes to Kir's page. The reason why is because your edits did not conform to the manual of style with regards to section ordering and content. Kir's article is briefer than it ought to be because it hasn't been edited as much as other characters, but it has the same format as the longer articles (which it should). Compare to Okiya which is a good model for how an article about a plot character with somewhat limited appearances (vs. say Haibara who has a lot more appearances) ought to look. Chekhov MacGuffin ^talk 02:16, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

In response to what you wrote at Maurice's talk page, assuming you were an IP back then when you wrote the Background in the article Kir, the reason why the Background was eventually broken up and moved into the Plot Overview was because the section was mostly a detailed narrative timeline of events. Background sections are general overviews of a character's history and importance to the story that are succinct and meant to be read quickly. They are NOT comprehensive histories. The detail and virtually all the chronology goes in the plot overview which is meant to expandable and comprehensive where things went unexplained in the Background. In well developed articles, like Vermouth, the Background itself is very short, while part of the Plot Overview was forked into a separate article as it was getting too long, and that's just the chronological timeline and not Vermouth's personal history, or the explanation about how her identity was uncovered. The purpose behind the Background - Plot Overview split is mainly a matter of overall summary vs. detailed treatment. While Kir is certainly underdeveloped as article because it has attracted fewer edits, the Background - Plot Overview split is established now with the idea that eventually, Kir will be more detailed, and having a proper split now will encourage people to write sections in the right place. Chekhov MacGuffin ^talk 02:48, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

RE: Concerning the current DC Style Wars

Hello Daniel,

First of all, thank you for contributing to the wiki and bringing in your own inputs on possible improvements to the site. It's greatly appreciated. I would just like to point out that even though ideas and feedback are always welcome, whenever you wish to make substantial changes to an existing style that affects MANY other articles, you should not start editing all of them just because you think it is better. The moment that there's a conflict between editors, you should not persist in editing more articles (i.e. thus effectively trying to impose your views on the matter). That's indeed not how we tackle issues here. It's just not productive at all and could end up being a waste of everybody's time. What would usually be the next right move instead is to create a new discussion thread on the article's talk page, or on the Detective Conan Wiki:Discussion page (i.e. for more generic issues as it is the case here). Therefore, until a general consensus has been reached, would you please kindly refrain from editing any more pages? I actually believe the pages should be edited back to remove inconsistencies until the issue is resolved. That would be very much appreciated and would help prevent further fueling the edit wars that have been going on.

Now, on to the issue at hand. I think it's a bit hard to give a definitive approach to the way the "Situation" section should be styled. I think your ideas make sense. But the current approach has merits too. It could ultimately depend on the angle from which we look at the crime box. From what I understand, it looks to you like an introduction (or headline) to a case. According to S261157 and the way it is set up right now, crime boxes look more like events that occur at some point within the storyline. They simply present a crime and aren't used to introduce a full story section (i.e. they aren't necessarily "headlines" and I must admit it is sometimes the case when they're not the main focus of the story being unfolded in the given episode). I believe the rationale behind the way things are right now is that there can be lots and of lots of things happening before the crime occurs and they sometimes don't even have anything to do with the crime at all. Therefore, showcasing a crime box right from the start, before even any bits of unrelated stories or events have been given, can seem a little weird. Actually, in some episodes (a given "Part" of a case for instance), there are no crimes at all, only story development. In some others, the crimes aren't the main focus of the storyline (like some of the BO-related scenes, etc...). It's all a question of timeline/storyline. One thing we've tried to do since the beginning is to be as accurate as possible regarding the time frame of actions and storyline (we've actually had a discussion quite recently about time frames: Talk:Volume 1#Description format. By file or by case?). If we're able to say at which point in time a crime occurs for example, it gives that extra bit of information about the timeline which is always a plus. The more (relevant) information we provide, the better. The other thing is that we do think of the readers first. The content needs to be as accessible and easy to grasp as possible. It needs to be fluid and flow along the storyline. But we're definitely flexible as long as the changes make sense, remain reader-friendly and serve the fans. One thing we could do maybe is put the crime boxes at the end of a "part" of a "Situation" section so that they summarize in a nutshell the different crimes that occurred during the exposed storyline. This way, the reader can just skip to them if desired. And to be honest, for some cases, when there are lots of many crime boxes, it's actually nicer to have them summarize a list of crimes than have them all right at the beginning of the story and possibly confuse the reader like in this example: Clash_of_Red_and_Black#Blood_Relative_.28Manga:_586.2C_587-590.2C_Anime:_492.29. Anyway, that's a bit what I think of the situation. But it would be best to collect everyone else's thoughts on the subject in a discussion thread at Detective Conan Wiki:Discussion cause there is not an obvious answer or way of doing things here. I do am personally open to new suggestions however. Hopefully we can come up with a general consensus on the subject.

Regarding Hidemi Hondou, I see your point. I think what's in the Plot overview is ok. What actually needs to be done is to expand on the Background section to summarize a bit what's described in depth in the Plot overview section. Basically, follow what's in the Manual of Style on this matter: Detective_Conan_Wiki:Manual_of_Style#Profiles. So, sure, feel free to expand on the background section while remaining as concise as possible and keeping the Plot overview as detailed as possible. The goal of the Background section is to provide the reader with a general overview and "feeling" of who Hidemi Hondou is, where's she's from and what she's been up to right now, while not going into full details (which are to be provided in the following sections).

And if you have suggestions for better "styling", please, feel free to provide them here for general discussion: Detective_Conan_Wiki_talk:Manual_of_Style. We would gladly appreciate it.

Thanks! --Maurice ^talk 16:05, 27 September 2011 (UTC)