Talk:Characters

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Inspector Worthington

Would Inspector Worthington be notable enough for inclusion? CarpetCrawlermessage me 03:21, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Any character, no matter how minor they are, should be included imo. The goal would be to have the most complete resource about the world of Detective Conan. Even if it's a line or two, that couldn't hurt. :) Also, I think for now, only main (or recurring) characters should be displayed on the Characters page. But on the detailed pages, like Black Organization or Other Characters, minor characters could be mentioned there.--Maurice 04:52, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
OK, sounds good. I hope to see this Wiki get more popular! Let's see how everything checks out. :D CarpetCrawlermessage me 05:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Here's the thing... I'm pretty sure the name "Inspector Worthington" is the name they gave Yokomizo Sango in the English dub. I haven't looked into how other Americanized names are being handled, but he should be dealt with similarly. (edit) never mind, I see that you already did that :P (/edit)--Southpaw 13:36, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

Tokyo Police

I decided to go ahead and divide the "Law Enforcement" section into three sub-sections. One for the Metropolitan police, another for the Osaka police, and another for all of the rest. I figured that the one section was a little too big all by itself. Also, it to me, makes everything look a little bit more organized. If anyone disagrees, feel free to revert. ;) CarpetCrawlermessage me 22:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

It's alright. Originally, I planned to only show the main/important characters on the Characters page then show all of them in their respective sections (e.g. Law Enforcement) but I think it's still ok to show them all right away: it would be a bit like the Anime page as it is now where all the episodes are shown right away; can be very handy. Not to mention there aren't nearly as many recurring characters as episodes. :) --Maurice 12:00, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Character images to be updated

This is part of an internal project task scheduled to be completed on March 1st, 2010.

Required

  • Mitsuhiko Tsuburaya (100px and 60px) DONE
  • Genta Kojima (100px and 60px) DONE
  • Heiji Hattori (100px and 60px) DONE
  • Kazuha Toyama (100px and 60px) DONE
  • Juzo Megure (100px and 60px) DONE
  • Ninzaburo Shiratori (100px and 60px) DONE
  • Sango Yokomizo (60px) DONE
  • Jodie Starling - not real good quality - (100px and 60px) DONE
  • Gin (100px and 60px)
  • Vodka (100px)
  • Ai Haibara - was never a big fan of that image - (100px and 60px)
  • Sumiko Kobayashi - I hate this one - (100px and 60px)
  • Yusaku Kudo (60px and 100px)
  • Heizo Hattori (60px and 100px)
  • Chianti (60px)

Optional

  • Miwako Sato (100px and 60px). Reason: Using some non-anime stock image DONE
  • Conan Edogawa (100px and 60px). Reason: It's alright but maybe kinda looks a little colorless?

Leave it to me

LEAVE IT TO ME!! ^^ I'll get to work on replacing all of those. CarpetCrawlermessage me 02:12, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Character image checklist

I will bold the character's who have new pictures.

Protagonists

  • Shinichi Kudo
  • Conan Edogawa
  • Ran Mouri
  • Kogoro Mouri

Detective Boys

  • Ayumi Yoshida
  • Mitsuhiko Tsuburaya
  • Genta Kojima
  • Ai Haibara
  • Sumiko Kobayashi

Family and Friends

  • Yusaku Kudo
  • Yukiko Kudo
  • Eri Kisaki
  • Hiroshi Agasa
  • Sonoko Suzuki
  • Heiji Hattori
  • Kazuha Toyama
  • Eisuke Hondou
  • Subaru Okiya
  • Genji Kojima

Law Enforcement

Tokyo Metropolitan Police District

  • Juzo Megure
  • Miwako Sato
  • Wataru Takagi
  • Ninzaburo Shiratori
  • Yumi Miyamoto
  • Isshin Chiba
  • Ginzo Nakamori
  • Officer Tome
  • Kiyonaga Matsumoto
  • Jinpei Matsuda
  • Inspector Yuminaga

Osaka Police District

  • Goro Otaki
  • Detective Toyama
  • Heizo Hattori

Other police districts

  • Sango Yokomizo
  • Misao Yamamura
  • Jugo Yokomizo
  • Kansuke Yamato
  • Yui Uehara

Black Organization

  • Gin
  • Vodka
  • Sharon Vineyard
  • Chianti
  • Korn
  • Hidemi Hondou
  • Tequila

F.B.I.

  • Jodie Starling
  • James Black
  • Shuichi Akai

Others

  • Kaitou Kid
  • Akemi Miyano
  • Aoko Nakamori
  • Makoto Kyogoku
  • Sagura Hakuba
  • Tomoaki Araide
  • Yoko Okino
  • Shizuka Hattori
  • Azusa Enomoto
  • Jirokichi Suzuki
  • Misae Yamamura
  • Kichiro Numabuchi

All others are certainly welcome to add other character to this list as character pages are created, as well as help me out with the images. Remember, we are trying to replace the old images taken from other websites, with images of our own. :) CarpetCrawlermessage me 03:32, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Character pages checklist

This is a checklist of character pages that have yet to be created.

  • Seiji Asai - Culprit in Moonlight Piano Sonata Case, other than Kaitou Kid and the Black Organization he is the only culprit to ever escape Shinichi (although via suicide).
  • Kamen Yaiba - TV superhero enjoyed by the Detective Boys (and Chiba).
  • Gomera - Movie monster enjoyed by the Detective Boys.
  • Night Baron - The protagonist of Yusaku Kudo's novels.
  • Hideo Akagi & Naoki Uemura - Soccer players from Tokyo Spirits, involved in a case early in the series.
  • Ryusuke Higo - Soccer player from Big Osaka and Hideo Akagi's rival. Ai follows his career closely.
  • Samizu Kichiemon - Edo Period mechanic frequently mentioned and referenced throughout the series.
  • Shintaro Chaki - Superintendent of Tokyo Metropolitan Police Division 2.
  • Inspector Momose - Inspector from the Tokyo Police Third Division (Robbery). Festival Dolls Dyed in the Setting Sun
  • Inspector Tsuyama from the Okayama District. Present during the case that occurred in Kurashiki in episode 377-378: Momotarou Mystery Solving Tour
  • Inspector Chou (full name: Takagi Chousuke) - Inspector Megure's senior. Led the investigation in episode 390-391: Metropolitan Police Detective Love Story 6

Inspector Odagiri Toshiro

I remember that Inspector Odagiri Toshiro did appear in Movie 4, and he'll show up Movie 14 too. Should we add him? LittleDragonfly 07:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Sure, why not? As Maurice stated above, every notable character, no matter how much notability there is, should be covered. And he'd be notable. ^^ A regular page may not even be needed... I plan to do pages for each section (Like the "Tokyo Police" section) and have all of the characters listed there as well, along with characters that are notable but not notable enough to really get their own page. CarpetCrawlermessage me 09:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

The "u" in names

I don't know much about these things, but I still wonder if we should leave names without the "u" or not. It's like this: Kudo(u), Ju(u)zo(u), Yu(u)saku are written without the "u" but Mouri, Hondou and Kaitou have it. Duh, my head is spinning! But then again, I'm just asking ^^. LittleDragonfly 11:50, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I prefer the spellings with the "u" myself. But I was sticking with what the DC Wiki had previously established. (If it was up to me, it'd be Shin'ichi Kudou) Based on the Japanese Wiki page, the characters' names SHOULD have the "u" syllable in them. [1] So to clarify based on the Japanese Wiki page, these would be the new romanizations of the characters' names in question:
  • Shinichi Kudou
  • Yuusaku Kudou
  • Yukiko Kudou
  • Ran Mouri
  • Kogorou Mouri
  • Eisuke Hondou
  • Hidemi Hondou
  • Ethan Hondou
  • Juuzou Megure
  • Miwako Satou
  • Ninzaburou Shiratori
  • Shintarou Chaki
  • Ginzou Nakamori
  • Heizou Hattori
  • Gorou Ootaki
  • Juugo Yokomizo
  • Kiichirou Numabuchi
  • Reiko Kujou
  • Makoto Kyougoku
  • Shirou Suzuki
  • Kaitou Kid <---this romanization is particularly important as without the "u" the name "Kaito" refers to "Kaito Kuroba" instead
  • Touichi Kuroba
  • Kounosuke Jii

Also, not related to a missing "u" but a missing "o":

  • Kazuha Tooyama
The problem with these names is that the extra syllables ARE required when the names are pronounced, but not necessarily so for writing them down. I think we could stick these different romanizations next the characters' names in Japanese on their individual pages. --skyechan
The thing is that most of the names used here in this wiki are spelled the same way they are in anime subs from most of the major subbing groups. This not only makes it easier for everyone to remain on the same page, but it's also a question of standardization (if we start using different spellings here and there, the content in general would be less approachable from a reader's perspective). However, I do like skyechan's idea of mentioning the different romanizations on the characters' individual pages. Maybe we could add a field to the InfoBox that says something like: "Romanized Name"? (we already have "Japanese Name" and "English Name"). As for the usual name, it's already in the header of the InfoBox as it should be. --Maurice 22:44, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm in everyone's (except T-Pain's) boat with this. The names are what they really are, but as Maurice said, most places don't refer to them as those names, mostly for reader's perspective and familiarity already. And as skyechan said, the pronunciations don't require the extra words when written down. For example, note that there are like, three ways to possibly write Numabuchi's name. I think that's the problem with the Japanese language in general, it's quite lax, though in some ways this is a good thing, and it really helps.
Basically, blame the fansubbers for this problem, as they are heavily inconsistent with the names. But to be fair, back when they were working on this stuff, and the same goes for EVERY DC-related website out there, no one probably knew 100% what the names were to be, and their translations were possibly going to be inconsistent.
My opinion? I don't know, I would love to go with the new names, since they're the correct names and all, but one thing that's going to be really painstakingly annoying is going back to every page and fixing the names on every page, including the already made template pages. I think this is a situation where simply creating a re-direct to "Miwako Satou" and leaving every page at "Miwako Sato" wouldn't suffice, and would probably confuse the reader when they click and see it says, for example "Juuzou" instead of "Juzo". But, honestly, who wants to spend the time going to EVERY page and fixing that, not to mention fixing the templates, images, and other things of the sort? That's why Wikipedia has bots, though. Also, as skyechan mentioned above, they're not necessary when written down, only when spoken. But this could be argued against by saying that, say a Japanese wiki using the word "fawnix" instead of "phonics". So basically, I'm torn on what I think here. CarpetCrawlermessage me 10:42, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Still, as for characters appeared in the drama series, based on what rule do we write their romanized names? On the 'Drama' page, some of them have the 'u', some doesn't. That's just confusing. If needed, I will provide 'u' for any name that lacks :lol: LittleDragonfly 11:50, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Unnecessary characters in the list

Now I realize Maurice has previously stated we should provide info on notable minor characters, but isn't our list a little too excessive? Shouldn't a majority of the people on the list now simply be on the minor recurring characters list or something? Could we just make a page for Notable case characters?

Here's who I think needs to be moved or removed entirely:

  • Asami Tsuburaya - Minor recurring character
  • Genji Kojima - Notable case character
  • Inspector Momose - Minor recurring character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
  • Chosuke Takagi - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
  • Detective Kobayashi - Minor recurring character (I think?); Not notable enough to need a profile page
  • Fumimaro Ayanokoji - Minor recurring character
  • Misae Yamamura - Notable case character
  • Reiko Kujo - Minor recurring character
  • Natsuki Koshimizu - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
  • Junya Tokitsu - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
  • Samizu Kichiemon - Minor recurring character
  • Fusae Campbell - Notable case character
  • Kazumi Tsukamoto - Minor recurring character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
  • Kyosuke Haga - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
  • Maria Higashio - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
  • Hikaru Yasumoto - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
  • Ryujiro Uematsu - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
  • Minerva Glass - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
  • Apollo Glass - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page

My solution to our extensive Character list is to simply create a page similar to the "Minor recurring characters" page for "Notable case characters". Information currently on those with profile pages can be moved to this new page and the old profile pages be deleted. I understand we want to provide as much information as possible, but seriously, some of these characters I don't see why they need to be listed on the main characters page. --Skyechan 07:02, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Or, we could just have a "List of Minor Characters" (or "List of Supporting Characters," whatever you want to call them) and then group them into sections, i.e. Recurring in the Manga, Recurring in the Anime and Notable Case. And then, we could also format it like the Characters page for consistency. And yeah, if their profile pages don't have that much info, I agree that we should just delete them to avoid clutter.--lashedcheek 15:12, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
We should keep the characters profile that links to keyhole number of volume book. That's still fine. --S261157 15:19, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
The problem with keeping profiles for characters with keyholes is that often, they're only important for a single case that occurred in that volume. An entire page is simply overkill, when a Notable Case Characters page could consolidate that information and the minor recurring characters can be on the Minor Recurring Characters page. The keyhole can link to those pages. Also, if a character is big or recurring enough to be on the Characters page and have a profile, like Hideo or Sumiko, they probably don't need a mention on the Minor Recurring Characters page. I also think that Midori Megure is a notable case character and Midori Kuriyama is a minor recurring character who don't need profile pages, while the speculation over Fusae Campbell might make it worth leaving her page as-is.--Ocianne 17:38, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
I think the list is good, but I'm for keeping the profile pages of some of the characters with the criteria that Ocianne suggested. Chekhov MacGuffin talk 17:46, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
We should make another group list then in characters. Their profile information with keyhole links stays. --S261157 17:56, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
As Ocianne stated, a whole profile page for a character who is in a keyhole but only appears for one case is ridiculous. I'm following Ocianne and Chek's suggestions.--Skyechan 18:57, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
But that can't be!!!!!!
Woah woah woah. While I can't say I disagree with everything Skyechan said, I think this decision was made rather quickly. Such a big change should have required more than 24 hours of discussion. As it seems that I'm in the minority, I'll keep my mouth shut, but we really should give the community more time to put in their opinions in the future. --Jigsaw 14:36, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
My apologies, I'll keep this in mind in the future. --Skyechan 15:29, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Sato's

All the characters have got a little image with white balckground, but Sato no. Why? --92.59.220.88 15:41, 26 November 2011 (UTC)Yt

Which picture are you referring to? Both of Sato's images look like they have the white background to me. --Skyechan 16:03, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, in this page yes, but, for instance, in Volumen 75 page, her photo hasn't got white blackground.

Keyhole characters - Profile pages or none - Vote

Apologies for my haste the other day. As per suggestion we'll hold a vote for this topic until we receive 10 votes total.

The voting is for whether all characters represented in manga volume keyholes, regardless of whether they're important for more than one case or not, should have profile pages. Place your name under which category you're voting for and share your reasoning in your decision to help explain your stance on the matter. For the sake of fairness only registered users votes are counted. NO ANONYMOUS IPs. (Especially given the trouble anon IPs have caused in the past...) --Skyechan 16:26, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

The following keyhole characters do not have profile pages as of yesterday:

Votes for "The characters should have profiles"

  • S261157 - Reasoning: Characters who has keyhole volume links and characters who appear at least 2 times have their profiles is not such a bad idea. No matter if it's important character, still kept their own profile. The manual of style has the rule of creating character profiles to the Tokyo Poilce District and Black Organization. If a character has keyhole volume link, the characters profile info box should be labeled "keyhole" and links to what number of the Manga volume book. I assure you that it's the most greatest idea ever!

Votes against

  • skyechan - Reasoning: Majority of the characters listed are important for basically one case featured in that volume. Some of the characters we have virtually no information on to begin with (Maria Higashio) and in the case of the minor recurring characters, don't really show up again to contribute a lot to the plot (Kazumi Tsukamoto). All information we had on the characters was moved to the lists with the characters so nothing was really lost. Keyhole characters have their keyholes next to their information.

Sera and Amuro

Why are they in 'Others' and not in 'Family & Friends'? I think they must be there.

Their allegiances have not been confirmed yet. There's a pretty good chance one of the two is Bourbon in which case they certainly aren't a "Friend". --Skyechan 16:28, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
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