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Inspector Worthington

Would Inspector Worthington be notable enough for inclusion? CarpetCrawlermessage me 03:21, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Any character, no matter how minor they are, should be included imo. The goal would be to have the most complete resource about the world of Detective Conan. Even if it's a line or two, that couldn't hurt. :) Also, I think for now, only main (or recurring) characters should be displayed on the Characters page. But on the detailed pages, like Black Organization or Other Characters, minor characters could be mentioned there.--Maurice 04:52, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
OK, sounds good. I hope to see this Wiki get more popular! Let's see how everything checks out. :D CarpetCrawlermessage me 05:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Here's the thing... I'm pretty sure the name "Inspector Worthington" is the name they gave Yokomizo Sango in the English dub. I haven't looked into how other Americanized names are being handled, but he should be dealt with similarly. (edit) never mind, I see that you already did that :P (/edit)--Southpaw 13:36, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

Tokyo Police

I decided to go ahead and divide the "Law Enforcement" section into three sub-sections. One for the Metropolitan police, another for the Osaka police, and another for all of the rest. I figured that the one section was a little too big all by itself. Also, it to me, makes everything look a little bit more organized. If anyone disagrees, feel free to revert. ;) CarpetCrawlermessage me 22:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

It's alright. Originally, I planned to only show the main/important characters on the Characters page then show all of them in their respective sections (e.g. Law Enforcement) but I think it's still ok to show them all right away: it would be a bit like the Anime page as it is now where all the episodes are shown right away; can be very handy. Not to mention there aren't nearly as many recurring characters as episodes. :) --Maurice 12:00, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Character images to be updated

This is part of an internal project task scheduled to be completed on March 1st, 2010.

Required

  • Mitsuhiko Tsuburaya (100px and 60px) DONE
  • Genta Kojima (100px and 60px) DONE
  • Heiji Hattori (100px and 60px) DONE
  • Kazuha Toyama (100px and 60px) DONE
  • Juzo Megure (100px and 60px) DONE
  • Ninzaburo Shiratori (100px and 60px) DONE
  • Sango Yokomizo (60px) DONE
  • Jodie Starling - not real good quality - (100px and 60px) DONE
  • Gin (100px and 60px)
  • Vodka (100px)
  • Ai Haibara - was never a big fan of that image - (100px and 60px)
  • Sumiko Kobayashi - I hate this one - (100px and 60px)
  • Yusaku Kudo (60px and 100px)
  • Heizo Hattori (60px and 100px)
  • Chianti (60px)

Optional

  • Miwako Sato (100px and 60px). Reason: Using some non-anime stock image DONE
  • Conan Edogawa (100px and 60px). Reason: It's alright but maybe kinda looks a little colorless?

Leave it to me

LEAVE IT TO ME!! ^^ I'll get to work on replacing all of those. CarpetCrawlermessage me 02:12, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Character image checklist

I will bold the character's who have new pictures.

Protagonists

  • Shinichi Kudo
  • Conan Edogawa
  • Ran Mouri
  • Kogoro Mouri

Detective Boys

  • Ayumi Yoshida
  • Mitsuhiko Tsuburaya
  • Genta Kojima
  • Ai Haibara
  • Sumiko Kobayashi

Family and Friends

  • Yusaku Kudo
  • Yukiko Kudo
  • Eri Kisaki
  • Hiroshi Agasa
  • Sonoko Suzuki
  • Heiji Hattori
  • Kazuha Toyama
  • Eisuke Hondou
  • Subaru Okiya
  • Genji Kojima

Law Enforcement

Tokyo Metropolitan Police District

  • Juzo Megure
  • Miwako Sato
  • Wataru Takagi
  • Ninzaburo Shiratori
  • Yumi Miyamoto
  • Isshin Chiba
  • Ginzo Nakamori
  • Officer Tome
  • Kiyonaga Matsumoto
  • Jinpei Matsuda
  • Inspector Yuminaga

Osaka Police District

  • Goro Otaki
  • Detective Toyama
  • Heizo Hattori

Other police districts

  • Sango Yokomizo
  • Misao Yamamura
  • Jugo Yokomizo
  • Kansuke Yamato
  • Yui Uehara

Black Organization

  • Gin
  • Vodka
  • Sharon Vineyard
  • Chianti
  • Korn
  • Hidemi Hondou
  • Tequila

F.B.I.

  • Jodie Starling
  • James Black
  • Shuichi Akai

Others

  • Kaitou Kid
  • Akemi Miyano
  • Aoko Nakamori
  • Makoto Kyogoku
  • Sagura Hakuba
  • Tomoaki Araide
  • Yoko Okino
  • Shizuka Hattori
  • Azusa Enomoto
  • Jirokichi Suzuki
  • Misae Yamamura
  • Kichiro Numabuchi

All others are certainly welcome to add other character to this list as character pages are created, as well as help me out with the images. Remember, we are trying to replace the old images taken from other websites, with images of our own. :) CarpetCrawlermessage me 03:32, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Character pages checklist

This is a checklist of character pages that have yet to be created.

  • Seiji Asai - Culprit in Moonlight Piano Sonata Case, other than Kaitou Kid and the Black Organization he is the only culprit to ever escape Shinichi (although via suicide).
  • Kamen Yaiba - TV superhero enjoyed by the Detective Boys (and Chiba).
  • Gomera - Movie monster enjoyed by the Detective Boys.
  • Night Baron - The protagonist of Yusaku Kudo's novels.
  • Hideo Akagi & Naoki Uemura - Soccer players from Tokyo Spirits, involved in a case early in the series.
  • Ryusuke Higo - Soccer player from Big Osaka and Hideo Akagi's rival. Ai follows his career closely.
  • Samizu Kichiemon - Edo Period mechanic frequently mentioned and referenced throughout the series.
  • Shintaro Chaki - Superintendent of Tokyo Metropolitan Police Division 2.
  • Inspector Momose - Inspector from the Tokyo Police Third Division (Robbery). Festival Dolls Dyed in the Setting Sun
  • Inspector Tsuyama from the Okayama District. Present during the case that occurred in Kurashiki in episode 377-378: Momotarou Mystery Solving Tour
  • Inspector Chou (full name: Takagi Chousuke) - Inspector Megure's senior. Led the investigation in episode 390-391: Metropolitan Police Detective Love Story 6

Inspector Odagiri Toshiro

I remember that Inspector Odagiri Toshiro did appear in Movie 4, and he'll show up Movie 14 too. Should we add him? LittleDragonfly 07:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Sure, why not? As Maurice stated above, every notable character, no matter how much notability there is, should be covered. And he'd be notable. ^^ A regular page may not even be needed... I plan to do pages for each section (Like the "Tokyo Police" section) and have all of the characters listed there as well, along with characters that are notable but not notable enough to really get their own page. CarpetCrawlermessage me 09:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

The "u" in names

I don't know much about these things, but I still wonder if we should leave names without the "u" or not. It's like this: Kudo(u), Ju(u)zo(u), Yu(u)saku are written without the "u" but Mouri, Hondou and Kaitou have it. Duh, my head is spinning! But then again, I'm just asking ^^. LittleDragonfly 11:50, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I prefer the spellings with the "u" myself. But I was sticking with what the DC Wiki had previously established. (If it was up to me, it'd be Shin'ichi Kudou) Based on the Japanese Wiki page, the characters' names SHOULD have the "u" syllable in them. [1] So to clarify based on the Japanese Wiki page, these would be the new romanizations of the characters' names in question:
  • Shinichi Kudou
  • Yuusaku Kudou
  • Yukiko Kudou
  • Ran Mouri
  • Kogorou Mouri
  • Eisuke Hondou
  • Hidemi Hondou
  • Ethan Hondou
  • Juuzou Megure
  • Miwako Satou
  • Ninzaburou Shiratori
  • Shintarou Chaki
  • Ginzou Nakamori
  • Heizou Hattori
  • Gorou Ootaki
  • Juugo Yokomizo
  • Kiichirou Numabuchi
  • Reiko Kujou
  • Makoto Kyougoku
  • Shirou Suzuki
  • Kaitou Kid <---this romanization is particularly important as without the "u" the name "Kaito" refers to "Kaito Kuroba" instead
  • Touichi Kuroba
  • Kounosuke Jii

Also, not related to a missing "u" but a missing "o":

  • Kazuha Tooyama
The problem with these names is that the extra syllables ARE required when the names are pronounced, but not necessarily so for writing them down. I think we could stick these different romanizations next the characters' names in Japanese on their individual pages. --skyechan
The thing is that most of the names used here in this wiki are spelled the same way they are in anime subs from most of the major subbing groups. This not only makes it easier for everyone to remain on the same page, but it's also a question of standardization (if we start using different spellings here and there, the content in general would be less approachable from a reader's perspective). However, I do like skyechan's idea of mentioning the different romanizations on the characters' individual pages. Maybe we could add a field to the InfoBox that says something like: "Romanized Name"? (we already have "Japanese Name" and "English Name"). As for the usual name, it's already in the header of the InfoBox as it should be. --Maurice 22:44, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm in everyone's (except T-Pain's) boat with this. The names are what they really are, but as Maurice said, most places don't refer to them as those names, mostly for reader's perspective and familiarity already. And as skyechan said, the pronunciations don't require the extra words when written down. For example, note that there are like, three ways to possibly write Numabuchi's name. I think that's the problem with the Japanese language in general, it's quite lax, though in some ways this is a good thing, and it really helps.
Basically, blame the fansubbers for this problem, as they are heavily inconsistent with the names. But to be fair, back when they were working on this stuff, and the same goes for EVERY DC-related website out there, no one probably knew 100% what the names were to be, and their translations were possibly going to be inconsistent.
My opinion? I don't know, I would love to go with the new names, since they're the correct names and all, but one thing that's going to be really painstakingly annoying is going back to every page and fixing the names on every page, including the already made template pages. I think this is a situation where simply creating a re-direct to "Miwako Satou" and leaving every page at "Miwako Sato" wouldn't suffice, and would probably confuse the reader when they click and see it says, for example "Juuzou" instead of "Juzo". But, honestly, who wants to spend the time going to EVERY page and fixing that, not to mention fixing the templates, images, and other things of the sort? That's why Wikipedia has bots, though. Also, as skyechan mentioned above, they're not necessary when written down, only when spoken. But this could be argued against by saying that, say a Japanese wiki using the word "fawnix" instead of "phonics". So basically, I'm torn on what I think here. CarpetCrawlermessage me 10:42, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Still, as for characters appeared in the drama series, based on what rule do we write their romanized names? On the 'Drama' page, some of them have the 'u', some doesn't. That's just confusing. If needed, I will provide 'u' for any name that lacks :lol: LittleDragonfly 11:50, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Unnecessary characters in the list

Now I realize Maurice has previously stated we should provide info on notable minor characters, but isn't our list a little too excessive? Shouldn't a majority of the people on the list now simply be on the minor recurring characters list or something? Could we just make a page for Notable case characters?

Here's who I think needs to be moved or removed entirely:

  • Asami Tsuburaya - Minor recurring character
  • Genji Kojima - Notable case character
  • Inspector Momose - Minor recurring character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
  • Chosuke Takagi - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
  • Detective Kobayashi - Minor recurring character (I think?); Not notable enough to need a profile page
  • Fumimaro Ayanokoji - Minor recurring character
  • Misae Yamamura - Notable case character
  • Reiko Kujo - Minor recurring character
  • Natsuki Koshimizu - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
  • Junya Tokitsu - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
  • Samizu Kichiemon - Minor recurring character
  • Fusae Campbell - Notable case character
  • Kazumi Tsukamoto - Minor recurring character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
  • Kyosuke Haga - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
  • Maria Higashio - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
  • Hikaru Yasumoto - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
  • Ryujiro Uematsu - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
  • Minerva Glass - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page
  • Apollo Glass - Notable case character; Not notable enough to need a profile page

My solution to our extensive Character list is to simply create a page similar to the "Minor recurring characters" page for "Notable case characters". Information currently on those with profile pages can be moved to this new page and the old profile pages be deleted. I understand we want to provide as much information as possible, but seriously, some of these characters I don't see why they need to be listed on the main characters page. --Skyechan 07:02, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Or, we could just have a "List of Minor Characters" (or "List of Supporting Characters," whatever you want to call them) and then group them into sections, i.e. Recurring in the Manga, Recurring in the Anime and Notable Case. And then, we could also format it like the Characters page for consistency. And yeah, if their profile pages don't have that much info, I agree that we should just delete them to avoid clutter.--lashedcheek 15:12, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
We should keep the characters profile that links to keyhole number of volume book. That's still fine. --S261157 15:19, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
The problem with keeping profiles for characters with keyholes is that often, they're only important for a single case that occurred in that volume. An entire page is simply overkill, when a Notable Case Characters page could consolidate that information and the minor recurring characters can be on the Minor Recurring Characters page. The keyhole can link to those pages. Also, if a character is big or recurring enough to be on the Characters page and have a profile, like Hideo or Sumiko, they probably don't need a mention on the Minor Recurring Characters page. I also think that Midori Megure is a notable case character and Midori Kuriyama is a minor recurring character who don't need profile pages, while the speculation over Fusae Campbell might make it worth leaving her page as-is.--Ocianne 17:38, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
I think the list is good, but I'm for keeping the profile pages of some of the characters with the criteria that Ocianne suggested. Chekhov MacGuffin talk 17:46, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
We should make another group list then in characters. Their profile information with keyhole links stays. --S261157 17:56, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
As Ocianne stated, a whole profile page for a character who is in a keyhole but only appears for one case is ridiculous. I'm following Ocianne and Chek's suggestions.--Skyechan 18:57, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
But that can't be!!!!!!
Woah woah woah. While I can't say I disagree with everything Skyechan said, I think this decision was made rather quickly. Such a big change should have required more than 24 hours of discussion. As it seems that I'm in the minority, I'll keep my mouth shut, but we really should give the community more time to put in their opinions in the future. --Jigsaw 14:36, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
My apologies, I'll keep this in mind in the future. --Skyechan 15:29, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Sato's

All the characters have got a little image with white balckground, but Sato no. Why? --92.59.220.88 15:41, 26 November 2011 (UTC)Yt

Which picture are you referring to? Both of Sato's images look like they have the white background to me. --Skyechan 16:03, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, in this page yes, but, for instance, in Volumen 75 page, her photo hasn't got white blackground.

Sato does have a white background in her 100x100 image. Perhaps you need to refresh the page? Naeko Miike and Yaiba are the only ones listed on that page that do not have white backgrounds yet. --Skyechan 16:32, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Keyhole characters - Profile pages or none - Vote

Apologies for my haste the other day. As per suggestion we'll hold a vote for this topic until we receive 10 votes total.

The voting is for whether all characters represented in manga volume keyholes, regardless of whether they're important for more than one case or not, should have profile pages. Place your name under which category you're voting for and share your reasoning in your decision to help explain your stance on the matter. For the sake of fairness only registered users votes are counted. NO ANONYMOUS IPs. (Especially given the trouble anon IPs have caused in the past...) --Skyechan 16:26, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

The following keyhole characters do not have profile pages as of yesterday:

Votes for "The characters should have profiles"

  • S261157 - Reasoning: Characters who has keyhole volume links and characters who appear at least 2 times have their profiles is not such a bad idea. No matter if it's important character, still kept their own profile. The manual of style has the rule of creating character profiles to the Tokyo Poilce District and Black Organization. If a character has keyhole volume link, the characters profile info box should be labeled "keyhole" and links to what number of the Manga volume book. I assure you that it's the most greatest idea ever!
  • Jigsaw - Reasoning: My thought process is rather complicated; I hesitantly vote to keep the profiles. Not all of the deleted character pages had keyholes mind you, so I'm not exactly sure why this criteria is what the vote is over. I've counted at least 15 character pages that were deleted despite never having had a keyhole; many of them are anime or Special Conan exclusive. There are certainly some characters who will NEVER have enough information to warrant an article, but that being said, I'm rather confused now as to where the criteria stands. What deems a character 'important' enough? Inspector Yuminaga, Shintaro Chaki, Detective Toyama, Koumei, Ethan Hondou, Elena Miyano, Atsushi Miyano, Tequila, Pisco, Calvados, Rikumichi Kusuda, Ki'ichiro Numabuchi, Keiko Momoi, Hakuba's Housekeeper, Spider, Shizuka Hattori, and Scar Akai : All of these characters have depressingly empty profiles, lack of an importance to the ongoing plot, and/or very few appearances overall, so I question why they were not deleted as well. I'm relatively shocked that Fusae Campbell was spared as well; take away mere speculation and her article is about as important as other deleted characters. If this were Wikipedia, I would agree with this decision on the grounds of notability and importance, but this isn't Wikipedia. This is a fan Wikia dedicated to Detective Conan. On the main page of this site, I read the following: "We strive to become the number one source of all things Detective Conan related." I believe this decision works in the opposite direction of our goal. While I realize that we are DCW and not another Wikia, I can point you to many other communities where even less notable characters get articles. Again, while I'm not saying that we need to base our decisions on other websites, I do wish to point out that we don't need to minimize or downgrade our efforts and overall appeal simply for the sake of "notability". One of the perks of having individual character articles is the ability to have a set format in which to work with. Merging everything into one list of characters takes away that option. My reasoning is all over the place and might not make sense because this topic is not as black and white as it is made out to be. I agree that we should separate characters of importance from the main article (the list of people on the characters article was ridiculous), but I don't think we need to delete the articles in the process. Is there a limit to the number of articles a Wikia can have? I ask this only because I see many other ways in which we could reduce the number of articles if necessary (such as gadgets). Regardless of the outcome of this vote, I would recommend revising the Manual of Style in order for the community to understand what deems a character article-worthy.
After reading comments from other users, I've decided to recant my first vote. It seems I misunderstood the premises of this whole debate. I was under the impression that we were voting on whether or not we agreed with the character deletions. If the question is whether or not a character should get an article solely because they are in a keyhole, then I switch my vote to against. If I'm still off target, I'll abstain altogether. Sorry for the confusion. --Jigsaw 23:10, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Quick note here, I did restore all the articles and re-directed them. They are no longer deleted. Chekhov MacGuffin talk 20:43, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Well, originally they were deleted but the information was added to other locations. At least, that's what I thought. Now they are redirects, correct? --Jigsaw 20:45, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
That's correct, I wanted to make sure that the history was preserved in case the character goes back to being a profile and wikilinks elsewhere would not be broken. Chekhov MacGuffin talk 20:52, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
Thank you again Chek as when I deleted the pages I didn't think about the whole redirection thing. But yes, as Chek stated, all pages previously deleted are redirects. --Skyechan 22:51, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Mohorovicic - I'm not someone who likes discussing in debates, nor do I like taking sides in a discussion. But the idea of "unnecessary" is blurry. To me, I don't think there are many characters in the series that are "unnecessary". It seems like a good idea if the character is a minor recurring character. Even if they're not, I just cannot see the logic behind deleting any character article. Just keep them, there isn't much harm in that, is there?
  • Maurice - I'm for and against. It'll ultimately get down to what solution's the most user-friendly in the end (I know I keep saying that but that's the one goal we should always aim for). Like Ocianne and skyechan mentionned, I'm not against not having a profile page for a character that only appears in one single case. But as per the MoS, it's fine to have a page for a character that occur more than once: Detective_Conan_Wiki:Manual_of_Style#New_character_articles. Even if there's not much known about them, it can be good to have a page if there is trivia, "name origin" info, gallery (mainly gallery which can easily apply to anyone regardless of how much info there is), relationship analysis and more that could be displayed on their profiles. I think the problem shouldn't be whether a minor character should have a profile page or not but more how the list of characters of the series should be presented. It's a good idea to have a separate list of "Notable Case" or "Minor recurring" characters. What about simply following the same layout as on the Characters page for those lists as well (a bit like what lashedcheek mentionned) and keep a profile page for any character that falls under the rules set by the MoS? I would just like to precise that there are absolutely no technical disadvantages in creating "more" character pages. There's no need to think or worry about resources or things like that. Creating articles is what a wiki is all about and the amount of space it takes in the database is extremely negligible. I made some kind of draft to illustrate what I'm talking about and you guys can tell me what you think about it: List of notable case characters#Family members. As you can see, Genji and Midori still have their own pages (as per MoS) because there's a bit of content for each but it's not the case for Misae who really doesn't have much info. To sum up, it needs to be organized and very user-friendly. It should be an actual (compact) list after all. Not a collection of paragraphs that can easily get unorganized and confusing. Hope that makes sense. --Maurice talk 17:15, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Votes against

  • skyechan - Reasoning: Majority of the characters listed are important for basically one case featured in that volume. Some of the characters we have virtually no information on to begin with (Maria Higashio) and in the case of the minor recurring characters, don't really show up again to contribute a lot to the plot (Kazumi Tsukamoto). All information we had on the characters was moved to the lists with the characters so nothing was really lost. Keyhole characters have their keyholes next to their information.
  • Ocianne - Reasoning: An entire profile page for the sole reason of having a keyhole or making a cameo reappearance or two is overkill, especially when most of the names listed above were essentially empty beyond some background. A second appearance is often no more than a cameo with no bearing on the case or a background mention of that character, and the notable character's importance in a case can be covered between the case's summary page and the character's non-profile summary, rather than reduplicating the case in the plot overview sub-section. By having all the current information simply moved, not deleted, and redirects from the profiles to the Notable or Minor character lists, these characters can still be used in the Cast and New Character areas while maintaining a realistic view of their importance to the overall plot.
  • Chekhov - Reasoning, mostly the same as Skyechan's and Ocianne's with the allowance that some characters may graduate up to full profile if they gain more important roles or have speculation tied to them (Amuro, Fusae Campbell). Chekhov MacGuffin talk 18:50, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Discussion

Regarding Jigsaw's answer about the notability criteria, I'm for keeping it flexible so characters can gain profiles if or when they gain more relevance. I think the idea in general was to minimize the number of characters on the main character page to those who mattered most. I think Skyechan has the right idea to relegate some characters to a group page, but certain character's profiles are worth debating about whether to have (eg Matsuda) or not (eg Calvados). One thing I do want to say is that Jigsaw is not furthering his/her point by using the examples he/she suggested. Many of the examples Jigsaw listed are in fact important characters because they have been given significant backstories and are highly likely to recur in the future (Esp. Inspector Yuminaga and Koumei, but also Detective Toyama and Shizuka Hattori through their relationship to the Osaka team) (MK: Keiko Momoi), or are plot relevant (Scar Akai, Ethan Hondou, Elena Miyano, Atsushi Miyano, Tequila, Pisco, Rikumichi Kusuda, Ki'ichiro Numabuchi) (MK: Spider) and thus require their own pages to explain their plot relevance. It's true some still-existing profile pages are bare or don't seem notable if certain sections were ignored, but because they have those sections, they have an article. Chekhov MacGuffin talk 21:14, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I'll respond to each of your points below.
I'm for keeping it flexible so characters can gain profiles if or when they gain more relevance.
Keeping guidelines flexible is fine; I merely thought it could be helpful in the future.
I think the idea in general was to minimize the number of characters on the main character page to those who mattered most.
As I pointed out, I am in support of this. However, removing characters from the main character page does not require integrating minor character articles into character lists. They are two separate issues and should be treated as such.
One thing I do want to say is that Jigsaw is not furthering his/her point by using the examples he/she suggested.
For the record, I am a he. After my many months on DCW, I find it funny that I haven’t made this public yet. Moving on, this comment seems slightly unnecessary. It does not further your point to mention that I’m not furthering mine. On another note, your comment almost seems like an attack on my opinion; while I'm sure you had no ill intentions, some people might be turned off by that sort of thing.
Many of the examples Jigsaw listed are in fact important characters because they have been given significant backstories and are highly likely to recur in the future
In other words, you are basing decisions on speculation. That's hardly a way to determine notability. In fact, you could use this logic to argue the same thing for articles that were deleted / merged. This is not Wikipedia of course, but I linked to one of their guidelines in order to explain why I believe this point is invalid.
(Esp. Inspector Yuminaga and Koumei, but also Detective Toyama and Shizuka Hattori through their relationship to the Osaka team) (MK: Keiko Momoi), or are plot relevant (Scar Akai, Ethan Hondou, Elena Miyano, Atsushi Miyano, Tequila, Pisco, Calvados, Rikumichi Kusuda, Ki'ichiro Numabuchi) (MK: Spider)
Midori Megure has a relationship with the Tokyo team comparable to that of Shizuka Hattori with the Osaka team. You could argue a similar point for Misae Yamamura due to her grandson, but that might be pushing it. As you mentioned yourself, Jinpei could also be considered important due to his ties and back history. I don't follow Magic Kaito closely enough to respond to Keiko; I merely brought her up due to a lacking profile. As for plot relevance, you did not mention Chosuke Takagi, but there is speculation that he could have a role in the future due to his relocation to Tottori. Anyways, Kyosuke Haga provided Conan with crucial information that has aided him multiple times. Hikaru Yasumoto was also quite important during the Vermouth Arc because of the testimony involving her.
It's true some still-existing profile pages are bare or don't seem notable if certain sections were ignored, but because they have those sections, they have an article.
Could you please elaborate on this point?
Personally, I'd rather not rebuke other people's opinions and comments, but I felt this needed to be addressed. --Jigsaw 21:53, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
I believe there is plenty of room for debate on who should or shouldn't have character profiles. The reason why I said you were not furthering your point was because I believe you were using several bad examples which undermined the value of your point that it is non-obvious who is deserving of a profile or not. In short, I agreed with you, and then your examples made me not want to agree with you.
You can call my "recurring character speculation" just that, but it's pretty clear by looking at past examples which characters on on the reappearing track, and my prediction track record has been pretty good. Often times, it's pretty clear which is why Sera and Amuro got articles on their first chapter appearance. Koumei will show up or be mentioned pretty much every time there is a Nagano case, but as those police are relatively new, they haven't had much exposure yet so they seem less relevant if one goes by the numbers.
You asked for an example of a character who would not be notable if it wasn't for other sections. Take Scar Akai, who appeared twice. His appearances were originally lumped onto Akai's article; however, the widespread speculation that he is Bourbon made forking his appearances off from Akai's page to address this speculation appropriate. Chekhov MacGuffin talk 22:20, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
To add on to this a few of the characters whose articles were moved clearly aren't coming back because they're dead, i.e. Masayoshi Sato and Jinpei Matsuda. They served their purpose of character development for Sato and that's all they were around for. The stories involving them were notable for the sake of Sato's character development, but again, they aren't going to come back. Now, before someone tosses the fact Shuichi Akai is also dead at me yet he has a profile page, Akai has thus far proved much more important towards the main plot of the overarching story of DC. He's been around for more than one notable case before his untimely disappearance. (And judging from Chek's theories, possibly may return.) --Skyechan 22:56, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I will not vote based on whether there'd still be character development (I know you guys are much better with that than I am), their importance or because they have keyholes, but I will base it purely on page format/organization, consistency and the amount of info that we have and will have. I am very visual; I like it clean and simple; I don't like scrolling; and I scan much like what everybody else does on the web.

I like the idea that characters are categorized into minor and notable, and that the characters belonging to each are consolidated in pages. These pages though just look very cluttered and in disarray. Granted there's a contents box at the very top that organizes the page and so I could find which character I'm looking for but when I get to the middle, the section organization somehow gets lost, especially when there's a considerable amount of info. I know that this is a wiki and too much text is inevitable, but it doesn't hurt if you make it more readable by prettifying and formatting pages consistently.

With this, I want to know if those pages could be formatted in a more organized/readable way, or if we could format the minor and recurring characters pages just like the Characters page for consistency, with tables and just enough description to give an overview of the character.

If we could find a way to reduce the clutter of those pages without creating profile pages for characters, then I would vote against. If we choose to make it consistent with the Characters page, then I prefer that characters be given one based on the considerable (for this particular type of format) amount of info that they have (like Genji, Midori, Jinpei, etc.) or will have.

Even though I say "I" in my stance a lot, I'm sure there are other visual people like me who reads the wiki. This may or may not be directly related to your points (and I'm quite talking in circles) but I still would like to bring it to the table. --lashedcheek 07:35, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Sera and Amuro

Why are they in 'Others' and not in 'Family & Friends'? I think they must be there.

Their allegiances have not been confirmed yet. There's a pretty good chance one of the two is Bourbon in which case they certainly aren't a "Friend". --Skyechan 16:28, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
We don't know Subaru's allegiance and it's in 'Famili & Friends'... User:Esk
Subaru has consistently remained in his role as a helpful neighbor to the point where he can be considered a friend of Agasa and Conan. If someone wanted to move him to Others on principle, I wouldn't object, but I think his acting role is better defined as friend after all the time he has stuck around and bailed people out of trouble. Chekhov MacGuffin talk 18:02, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Who is...?

Who is Detective Yokoyama? http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/Detective_Yokoyama

Yokoyama is this guy: Detective Yokoyama.jpg I'm not sure why he has a profile page instead of a redirect, but I believe he might be a recurring minor background character. --Skyechan 00:34, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Dunno, you tell me. You're the one who originally screen captured the image. :P CarpetCrawlermessage me 00:35, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Huh. Where did the original image in his profile go? CarpetCrawlermessage me 00:36, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
I dunno? It's possible I never uploaded it to begin with, or I saw it wasn't being used so I deleted it at some point. Either way, he's not a very important character. --Skyechan 03:41, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Which now sub-paged characters should have profiles?

The issue of which characters should (or should not) have profile pages has come up multiple times in the above debate. The status of some characters on subpages needs a second look considering that there wasn't a consensus on which characters would lose their profiles before the characters were moved around. Pushing some characters to one of the subpages has cleared up the main character list and made it more navigable for sure, but being on a subpage does not preclude a character from having a profile page as well. Which characters should have profile pages restored? Chekhov MacGuffin talk 01:38, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Replying to my own topic, I would restore profiles for Jinpei Matsuda, Midori Megure, Irish, and Reiko Kujo. I would be tempted to move Matsuda back to the main character page. Chekhov MacGuffin talk 01:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Fair enough. My main original concern was that the list itself on Characters was simply too long. Arranging the subpages similarly and restoring these profiles works for me. --Skyechan 01:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
I would like to second Chekov's suggestion. Additionally, I would support restoring Ayako Suzuki's profile. --Jigsaw 02:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
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