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|ELENA=[[File:Elena Miyano.jpg|100px|link=Elena Miyano]]<br />''[[Elena Miyano|Elena Miyano<br />née Sera]]'' | |ELENA=[[File:Elena Miyano.jpg|100px|link=Elena Miyano]]<br />''[[Elena Miyano|Elena Miyano<br />née Sera]]'' | ||
|MARY=[[File:Mary.jpg|100px|link=Mary]]<br />[[Mary|Mary Akai<br />née Sera]] | |MARY=[[File:Mary.jpg|100px|link=Mary]]<br />[[Mary|Mary Akai<br />née Sera]] | ||
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|MARY=[[File:Mary.jpg|100px|link=Mary]]<br />[[Mary|Mary Akai<br />née Sera]] | |MARY=[[File:Mary.jpg|100px|link=Mary]]<br />[[Mary|Mary Akai<br />née Sera]] | ||
| − | |PAPAKAI={{familytree/ | + | |PAPAKAI={{familytree/Tsutomu Akai}} |
|PAPKOHJI=[[File:No Pic.jpg|100px]]<br />Mr. Haneda | |PAPKOHJI=[[File:No Pic.jpg|100px]]<br />Mr. Haneda | ||
|MOMKOHJI=[[File:No pic female.jpg|100px]]<br />Mrs. Haneda | |MOMKOHJI=[[File:No pic female.jpg|100px]]<br />Mrs. Haneda | ||
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|ATSUSHI={{familytree/Atsushi Miyano}} | |ATSUSHI={{familytree/Atsushi Miyano}} | ||
|ELENA=[[File:Elena Miyano.jpg|100px|link=Elena Miyano]]<br />''[[Elena Miyano|Elena Miyano<br />née Sera]]'' | |ELENA=[[File:Elena Miyano.jpg|100px|link=Elena Miyano]]<br />''[[Elena Miyano|Elena Miyano<br />née Sera]]'' | ||
|MARY=[[File:Mary.jpg|100px|link=Mary]]<br />[[Mary|Mary Akai<br />née Sera]] | |MARY=[[File:Mary.jpg|100px|link=Mary]]<br />[[Mary|Mary Akai<br />née Sera]] | ||
| − | |PAPAKAI={{familytree/ | + | |PAPAKAI={{familytree/Tsutomu Akai}} |
|PAPKOHJI=[[File:No Pic.jpg|100px]]<br />Mr. Haneda | |PAPKOHJI=[[File:No Pic.jpg|100px]]<br />Mr. Haneda | ||
|MOMKOHJI=[[File:No pic female.jpg|100px]]<br />Mrs. Haneda | |MOMKOHJI=[[File:No pic female.jpg|100px]]<br />Mrs. Haneda | ||
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| − | {{familytree|AKEMI| |SHIHO| | |SHUICHI| |MASUMI| |KICHI | + | {{familytree|AKEMI| |SHIHO| | |SHUICHI| |MASUMI| |KICHI| | |KOHJI |
| + | |AKEMI={{familytree/Akemi Miyano}} | ||
|SHIHO={{familytree/Shiho Miyano}} | |SHIHO={{familytree/Shiho Miyano}} | ||
|SHUICHI={{familytree/Shuichi Akai}} | |SHUICHI={{familytree/Shuichi Akai}} | ||
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* >14-15 years ago: Masumi and Shukichi start using the family name Sera instead of Akai. | * >14-15 years ago: Masumi and Shukichi start using the family name Sera instead of Akai. | ||
* 14-15 years ago: Shukichi enters high school with the family name Sera. Shukichi is 13-14 and Masumi is ~2. | * 14-15 years ago: Shukichi enters high school with the family name Sera. Shukichi is 13-14 and Masumi is ~2. | ||
| − | * 11 | + | * 10-11 years ago: Shukichi graduates high school and changes his family name from Sera to Haneda. Shukichi is age 16-17 and Masumi is 4-5. (Masumi says all three siblings have different family names. Masumi has "Sera", Shuichi has "Akai", and Shukichi has "Haneda".) |
* 5-10 years ago: Shuichi sends Masumi Jeet Kune Do videos. (Masumi is 6-11 and in elementary school) | * 5-10 years ago: Shuichi sends Masumi Jeet Kune Do videos. (Masumi is 6-11 and in elementary school) | ||
* 5 years ago: Shuichi starts infiltrating the [[Black Organization]] and dating [[Akemi Miyano]]. Shukichi is 22-23 and Masumi is 11. | * 5 years ago: Shuichi starts infiltrating the [[Black Organization]] and dating [[Akemi Miyano]]. Shukichi is 22-23 and Masumi is 11. | ||
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| Shukichi graduates high school and changes his family name from Sera to Haneda.<br>(Masumi says all three siblings have different family names. Masumi has "Sera", Shuichi has "Akai", and Shukichi has "Haneda".) | | Shukichi graduates high school and changes his family name from Sera to Haneda.<br>(Masumi says all three siblings have different family names. Masumi has "Sera", Shuichi has "Akai", and Shukichi has "Haneda".) | ||
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| + | == Shukichi's high school years == | ||
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| + | (I originally posted about this here : [http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3518&start=1110#p867698 link]) | ||
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| + | Since Japanese high school is only three years in length, and Shukichi was in his 3rd year during this 10 year ago flashback, wouldn't his entering into high school be only roughly 12-13 years ago?<br> | ||
| + | Example: <br> | ||
| + | Year 1 = 12 years ago<br> | ||
| + | Year 2 = 11 years ago<br> | ||
| + | Year 3 = 10 years ago.... <br> | ||
| + | Then graduating some time during that year so that he still meets Yumi roughly 10 years ago, but with his name already changed to Haneda. | ||
| + | |||
| + | After combining it all, I imagined it going something like this: | ||
| + | <spoiler> | ||
| + | > Shuichi is born | ||
| + | |||
| + | > 28 years ago Shuukichi born | ||
| + | |||
| + | > slightly over the 17 year ago mark Masumi is conceived, in that the parents slept together at this point | ||
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| + | > 17 years ago the Kouji case itself happens, and the Akai dad is present in some respect, Akai dad is killed, Mary's pregnancy is starting to show. The family moves to the safety of Japan on the father's instructions by text message. Akai leaves his family for America to investigate | ||
| + | |||
| + | > 16 years ago Masumi is born while Akai was away | ||
| + | |||
| + | > 12 years ago Shuukichi enters High school with the family name Sera (High School in Japan is 3 years, so 12 years ago, 11 years ago and graduating at the end of 10 years ago) | ||
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| + | > 10 years ago Shuichi is reunited with his family at the beach in Japan. Shuuichi says that Shuukichi must be in his 3rd year of High school. Later in the same year Shuukichi graduates High school and changes his name to Haneda, then meets Yumi. ((Presumably between when Shuuichi went back to America and when he would have gone into the BO, he would send Masumi Jeet-kune-do tapes while she is in Elementary school which would have been between 5 and 10 years ago.)) | ||
| + | |||
| + | > 7-8 years ago, after getting 3 years work experience Akai can take the exam to enter the FBI. While in the FBI he meets Jodie and they presumably have some relationship | ||
| + | |||
| + | > 5 years ago Shuichi enters the BO through a fake relationship with Akemi, however it slowly grows into something real. | ||
| + | |||
| + | > 4 years ago Masumi enters Middle school in Japan. Masumi encounters Shuuichi, Rei, and Scotch at the train station. | ||
| + | |||
| + | > 3 years ago, something occurs that makes Masumi and her mother leave the safety of Japan, Masumi claims she was in America. | ||
| + | |||
| + | > 2 years ago Shuichi is outed as an FBI agent to the BO due to Camel's mistake. | ||
| + | |||
| + | > 1 year ago, Masumi enters High school while overseas and has her first year and a half there. | ||
| + | |||
| + | > Present, Akemi sends a message to Shuuichi before her heist. | ||
| + | |||
| + | > Present, Masumi returns to Japan for some portion of the second year of High school and is in Ran and Sonoko's class. | ||
| + | |||
| + | </spoiler> | ||
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| + | : I am a bit confused about what you want to change, but Mary's Masumi pregnancy is longer than a year according to this formulation. Also Year 1 is ages 6-7. Year 10 is ages 15-16. Year 12 is 17-18. So do you want an adjustment like [http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/index.php?title=Akai_family&diff=169738&oldid=169737 this]? [[User:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#B22222">Chekhov</font> <font color="#2F4F4F">MacGuffin</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Chekhov MacGuffin|'''<font color="#696969">talk</font>''']]</sup> 07:28, 1 October 2016 (CEST) | ||
| + | |||
| + | :: I meant, Japanese High school lasts for 3 years. | ||
| + | ::Year 1 of High school (Shukichi age 15-16) = 12 years ago<br> | ||
| + | ::Year 2 of High school (Shukichi age 16-17) = 11 years ago<br> | ||
| + | ::'''Year 3 of High school''' (Shukichi age 17-18) = '''10 years ago''' <-- information in Beach case says Shukichi is in 3rd year of HS, 10 years ago. | ||
| + | ::but yeah, basically that edit where it says entered high school 12-13 years ago. | ||
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| + | ::As for Mary's pregnancy, I was meaning that Mary would have gotten pregnant somewhere around 17 years to 17 and 1/2 years ago. Then giving birth 9 months later during a point that is less than 17 years ago (16 years and some months). EXAMPLE: Mary becoming pregnant in July of the year, 17 years ago. Then giving birth to Masumi 9 months later (jul > aug > sept > oct > nov > dec > jan > feb > mar), which would be 16 years and 9 months ago, which is still less than 17 total years ago, so I labeled it as "16 years ago". In this example, the Kouji case would just have to happen some time just before Mary's belly started to swell to show her pregnancy and before the year change. | ||
Latest revision as of 09:25, 19 August 2020
Contents
Miyano, Akai, Sera families
 Unmentioned father |  Unmentioned mother | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 |  Elena Miyano née Sera |  Mary Akai née Sera |  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 |  |  |  Shukichi Haneda formerly Sera formerly Akai |  Masumi Sera formerly Akai | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Akai, Sera, Haneda families
Mary Akai née Sera | | Mr. Haneda | Mrs. Haneda | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Masumi Sera formerly Akai | Shukichi Haneda formerly Sera formerly Akai |  Kohji Haneda | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Miyano, Akai, Sera, Haneda families
Unmentioned father | Unmentioned mother | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Elena Miyano née Sera | Mary Akai née Sera | | Mr. Haneda | Mrs. Haneda | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| | | Masumi Sera formerly Akai | Shukichi Haneda formerly Sera formerly Akai | Kohji Haneda | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Revised Timeline
- Mr. Akai and Mrs. Sera are born and married. Mrs. Sera takes her husband's surname Akai.
- >28 years ago: Shuichi Akai is born.
- 28 years ago: Shukichi Akai is born.
- 17 years ago: Kohji Haneda is killed with some formulation of APTX 4869. Shukichi is 11.
- 16-17 years ago: Masumi Akai is born in Japan. At this time, Shukichi is approximately 11-12 and in junior high.
- Sometime after Masumi is conceived, her father dies. The time of the father's death is uncertain, but Masumi implies it affected the family names.
- >14-15 years ago: Masumi and Shukichi start using the family name Sera instead of Akai.
- 14-15 years ago: Shukichi enters high school with the family name Sera. Shukichi is 13-14 and Masumi is ~2.
- 10-11 years ago: Shukichi graduates high school and changes his family name from Sera to Haneda. Shukichi is age 16-17 and Masumi is 4-5. (Masumi says all three siblings have different family names. Masumi has "Sera", Shuichi has "Akai", and Shukichi has "Haneda".)
- 5-10 years ago: Shuichi sends Masumi Jeet Kune Do videos. (Masumi is 6-11 and in elementary school)
- 5 years ago: Shuichi starts infiltrating the Black Organization and dating Akemi Miyano. Shukichi is 22-23 and Masumi is 11.
- 4 years ago: Masumi sees Shuichi in Japan.
- 3 years ago: Mrs. Akai and Masumi move to America, Masumi goes to middle school in America.
- 2 years ago: Shuichi is uncovered as an FBI agent and is ejected from the Black Organization.
- Current: Masumi comes back at the age of 16-17 to Japan. Shukichi has been living in Japan winning shogi awards.
| Time | Event | Shuichi's age | Shukichi's age | Masumi's age |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| ?? | Mr. Akai and Mrs. Sera are born and married. Mrs. Sera takes her husband's surname Akai. | N/A | N/A | N/A |
| >28 years ago | Shuichi Akai is born. | 0 | N/A | N/A |
| 28 years ago | Shukichi Akai is born. | ?? | 0 | N/A |
| 17 years ago | Kohji Haneda is killed with some formulation of APTX 4869. | ?? | 11 | ?? |
| 16-17 years ago | Masumi Akai is born in Japan. | ?? | 11-12 | 0 |
| ?? | Sometime after Masumi is conceived, her father dies. The time of the father's death is uncertain, but Masumi implies it affected the family names. | ?? | ?? | ?? |
| >14-15 years ago | Masumi and Shukichi start using the family name Sera instead of Akai. | ?? | <14 | <3 |
| 14-15 years ago | Shukichi enters high school with the family name Sera. | ?? | 13-14 | 1-2 |
| 10-11 years ago | Shukichi graduates high school and changes his family name from Sera to Haneda. (Masumi says all three siblings have different family names. Masumi has "Sera", Shuichi has "Akai", and Shukichi has "Haneda".) |
?? | 16-17 | 4-5 |
| 5-10 years ago | Shuichi sends Masumi Jeet Kune Do videos to Masumi in elementary school. | ?? | 18-23 | 6-11 |
| 5 years ago | Shuichi starts infiltrating the Black Organization and dating Akemi Miyano. | ?? | 23 | 11-12 |
| 4 years ago | Masumi sees Shuichi in Japan. | ?? | 24 | 12-13 |
| 3 years ago | Mrs. Akai and Masumi move to America, Masumi goes to middle school in America. | ?? | 25 | 13-14 |
| 2 years ago | Shuichi is uncovered as an FBI agent and is ejected from the Black Organization. | ?? | 26 | 14-15 |
| Current | Masumi comes back to Japan. Shukichi has been living in Japan winning shogi awards. | ?? | 28 | 16-17 |
Shukichi's high school years
(I originally posted about this here : link)
Since Japanese high school is only three years in length, and Shukichi was in his 3rd year during this 10 year ago flashback, wouldn't his entering into high school be only roughly 12-13 years ago?
Example:
Year 1 = 12 years ago
Year 2 = 11 years ago
Year 3 = 10 years ago....
Then graduating some time during that year so that he still meets Yumi roughly 10 years ago, but with his name already changed to Haneda.
After combining it all, I imagined it going something like this:
- I am a bit confused about what you want to change, but Mary's Masumi pregnancy is longer than a year according to this formulation. Also Year 1 is ages 6-7. Year 10 is ages 15-16. Year 12 is 17-18. So do you want an adjustment like this? Chekhov MacGuffin talk 07:28, 1 October 2016 (CEST)
- I meant, Japanese High school lasts for 3 years.
- Year 1 of High school (Shukichi age 15-16) = 12 years ago
- Year 2 of High school (Shukichi age 16-17) = 11 years ago
- Year 3 of High school (Shukichi age 17-18) = 10 years ago <-- information in Beach case says Shukichi is in 3rd year of HS, 10 years ago.
- but yeah, basically that edit where it says entered high school 12-13 years ago.
- As for Mary's pregnancy, I was meaning that Mary would have gotten pregnant somewhere around 17 years to 17 and 1/2 years ago. Then giving birth 9 months later during a point that is less than 17 years ago (16 years and some months). EXAMPLE: Mary becoming pregnant in July of the year, 17 years ago. Then giving birth to Masumi 9 months later (jul > aug > sept > oct > nov > dec > jan > feb > mar), which would be 16 years and 9 months ago, which is still less than 17 total years ago, so I labeled it as "16 years ago". In this example, the Kouji case would just have to happen some time just before Mary's belly started to swell to show her pregnancy and before the year change.
