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Character Names in Episode Titles

Alright, bringing this up because this is inconsistent in our titles overall. Are we using Western order name style (given, family) in episode titles or Japanese order name style (family, given)? --skyechan

I would normally go with the Western style here to keep things standard with the rest of the wiki but maybe if you gave a concrete example, I could have a better idea. --Maurice 01:10, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Western ordered:
Japanese ordered:
--skyechan
Ok, yup. I think we should use the Western order style for many reasons. The main one is that from the start we had to choose between either using the full Japanese style or Western style but not a mix of both. Since we've been converting everything to Western style so far (e.g. translations, names, etc...), it would be best to keep the standard going (question of best practice). Another reason would be our audience, which is used to the Western-style transliterations of Japanese media. --Maurice 22:41, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Taken care of moving the titles. Going through wiki to correct wrong links. --skyechan

269-270

Do 269-270 show up as a redlink for everyone else? I created this article, and it shows up as a redlink on my browser, even after my cache is cleared. It even shows up that way on Internet Explorer, which I NEVER use. I wonder if anyone else is having this problem... CarpetCrawlermessage me 07:56, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Seasons

How should we set up the seasons? It's obvious that season 18 is getting way too big, and I don't know if the show even HAS official seasons, anyway. What do you guys suggest we do?

  • Make the seasons go year by year? For example, 1996 is season 1, 1997 is season 2, etc...
  • Go by certain important episodes? For example, user kkslider5552000 of the forums at DCTP has an interesting method that he goes by, in which certain important episodes mark the beginning or end of seasons.
  • The 13 or 26 episode format that a season in television normally has? This would give 44 seasons under a 13 episode format, and 22 seasons under the 26 episode format. Source.
  • A different method?

Either way, the current way it's set up with season 18 is getting ridiculous and completely unmanageable. I think something needs to be done. It may be a long project, considering the lengthy amount of work it took to get the current seasons done, but it would definitely be a good project. What does everyone think? CarpetCrawlermessage me 06:18, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

My vote is to begin each season with the first episode of the new year. That said, the resulting seasons would be:
  • 1 - Episodes 1-42
  • 2 - Episodes 43-85
  • 3 - Episodes 86-128
  • 4 - Episodes 129-173
  • 5 - Episodes 174-218
  • 6 - Episodes 219-262
  • 7 - Episodes 263-303
  • 8 - Episodes 304-344
  • 9 - Episodes 345-383
  • 10 - Episodes 384-424
  • 11 - Episodes 425-459
  • 12 - Episodes 460-490
  • 13 - Episodes 491-520
  • 14 - Episodes 521-561
  • 15 - Episodes 562-599 (exception for this one because otherwise it would split up a two-parter)
  • 16 - Episodes 600-current

--Skyechan 06:28, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Anyone object to such a change? I'm thinking that's probably our best decision in the end. CarpetCrawlermessage me 13:42, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
There is another option that is doable. We could go by the approximate episodes listed via the Japanese DVD releases as seen on the Japanese DVD page.
  • Part 1 - Episodes 1-28
  • Part 2 - Episodes 29-54
  • Part 3 - Episodes 55-82
  • Part 4 - Episodes 83-106
  • Part 5 - Episodes 107-134
  • Part 6 - Episodes 135-162
  • Part 7 - Episodes 163-193
  • Part 8 - Episodes 194-216
  • Part 9 - Episodes 217-254
  • Part 10 - Episodes 255-285
  • Part 11 - Episodes 286-315
  • Part 12 - Episodes 316-353
  • Part 13 - Episodes 354-389
  • Part 14 - Episodes 390-426
  • Part 15 - Episodes 427-465
  • Part 16 - Episodes 466-490
  • Part 17 - Episodes 491-527
  • Part 18 - Episodes 528-565
  • Part 19 - Episodes 566-current

Could everyone please vote for which method they prefer? :) I'd like to get some sort of consistency going and then we can list the method on the Manual of Style page. --Skyechan 23:23, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Votes

  • Group by year - 0
  • Group by part - 7

--Skyechan 00:42, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Alright, looks like it's gonna be a majority vote, so I'll go ahead and get to work on the Season pages! Thanks for your input everyone! :) --Skyechan 04:59, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

When did Detective Conan's anime drawer change?

When did Detective Conan's anime drawer change? I started watching it up to season and its the old drawings but then I checked season 18 and all the characters got new looks and it was a newer anime look instead. When did they do this?

And who draws the animes, is it the creator Gosho Aoyama?

  • The look of each episode mainly comes from the Animation Director of the episode. Aoyama as far as I understand only draws a few keyframes for each movie, but I'm not certain about the episodes. Also, during DC's many year run it went from traditional cel animation (animators paint each frame of the anime by hand) to all digitized (animators draw on tablets and colour using computers) sometime around...oh, the 300s I think, which would explain the different look you're talking about.--Skyechan 22:24, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Legend moved to main page.

Having to navigate to and away from the legend page is unnecessary. Someone should please condense the two. --71.59.190.110 15:20, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello. You could open a new tab in your browser with the legend page. Also, there aren't that many icons to go through so it shouldn't take too much time to grasp their meanings. The thing is that those icons are used on many many different pages (anime, all the seasons, volumes, magic kaito articles, drama, etc...). It would really encumber the articles with repetitive information you can learn about one first time, if we were to replicate them everywhere. That's also why we made access to the legend as simple as possible by either clicking on the "Plot" column header or the icon itself. I hope that answers your concerns. And thanks for bringing it up. If we do come up with a better way of presenting the information in the future, we'll be sure to implement it! --Maurice talk 17:19, 22 July 2011 (UTC)


Change Jap# to JPN#

For the episode guide, and maybe the manga one too, the word JAP is used. That is a derogatory word, AKA Racist. You should change it to JPN. 98.119.116.43 01:14, 3 April 2013 (PDT)

Add in a Hattori icon

I find it interesting that KID gets his own icon but Hattori doesn't. Would it be possible to list the episodes he appear in too? --108.201.185.4 21:42, 20 October 2013 (PDT)

Okay ignore this, I just realized it was referring to the Magic Kaito manga. Back to searching by appearance for me. --108.201.185.4 21:47, 20 October 2013 (PDT)

Season 23?

They had a news years announcement at the beginning of 724. Is that an adequate marker showing the division between seasons, or is there another sign we should be looking for? Chekhov MacGuffin talk 19:24, 13 January 2014 (EST)

Judging from my estimate of what episodes will probably be sorted on to DVD numbers (our current method of determining seasons) that's roughly where the split will occur, so I say go for it. We can always adjust episodes on to their correct seasons later if it's discovered the split is earlier/later. --Skyechan (talk) 06:51, 14 January 2014 (EST)

Remastered episodes

Should we include remastered episodes in this listing ? I'm tempted to say yes, since it often contains new footage (for example, the remastered version of Reunion with the Black Organization begins with Haibara talking about the APTX and recalling this case while talking to the viewer) and would allow to fill the gaps in the airdates. I'm quite interested in seeing this kind of new scenes and it seems there's not a lot of information about it here (the only list is the Category:Remastered_episode). Why not put them here, with the "normal" episodes ? To me it is not redundant information.

From what I saw, we would have to edit the individual Season pages, which are included on this page (of course I wouldn't mind doing it). I was thinking of something like this (end of Season 16 for the example) :

Jpn# Int# Episode title Original broadcast English dub broadcast Plot Manga source Next Conan's Hint
488 - The Devil of the TV Station (1 Hour Special) October 22, 2007 V57 - F5~7 Jacket
488.5 - Tottori Spider Mansion Demon (1 Hour Special) October 29, 2007 Character developmentRomance V25 - F4~8 ???
489 - Courtroom Confrontation III: Prosecutor as Eyewitness (1 Hour Special) November 26, 2007 TV Original Ski lift
490 - Heiji Hattori vs. Shinichi Kudo: Deduction Battle on the Ski Slope (1 Hour Special) December 3, 2007 Characters pasts V50 - F8 ~ V51 - F1 Wrong phone number
490.5 - Contact with the Black Organization (1 Hour Special) December 17, 2007 Character developmentBlack Organization V37 - F8 ~ V38 - F1 ???

I have seen this ".5" convention once to refer to these remastered episodes and it looks pretty straightforward. The episode title would just link to the page of the original episode (more precisely to the "Remastered version" section of the episode since there's almost always one). I was also thinking that, if the numbering doesn't stand out enough, we could color the rows in a different way (orange or something), or is it unnecessary ?

If you guys like this idea, does anyone know where I could find some kind of official list, or at least a reliable list, of all the remastered episodes ? While doing my research I came across a few episodes that were not indicated as remastered, such as the Class 1-B's Great Operation! which has apparently been remastered between episodes 609 and 610. Edit while writing : I just came across this website that seems official and that does contain remastered episodes, including the one I just talked about. Can someone confirm that ?

Thanks for taking the time to read, I'm waiting for your answers !

Maxdefolsch (talk) 06:50, 27 April 2015 (CEST)

I think this is a fairly important issue many people should weigh in on so I started a forum post here. Make sure to vote. Chekhov MacGuffin talk 00:38, 28 April 2015 (CEST)
Since the poll only got "yes" answers, I think I can start working on this ! (Not immediately, but I'll try to find time before next week) Thanks for everything !
Hi ! You can see here and here my changes. I think the color is good. As for the detailed summaries, I only copied and pasted the summaries of the original episodes (except for the "BO Plot" part of 309-311 where I added a few details). I'm going to show my changes on the forum too. If anyone has any remark or question, let me know ! Maxdefolsch (talk) 08:05, 3 May 2015 (CEST)
I like the formatting. I would make the orange header color a little bit lighter. It's pretty dark and eye catching at the moment. I think #efead7 looks pretty good. It's greyer and a bit lighter. I figured that would be a good scheme because it visually signifies remasters are filler. The current setting is the original orange shade at the moment. Chekhov MacGuffin talk 08:35, 3 May 2015 (CEST)
No problem, I reverted it to #efead7. Maxdefolsch (talk) 09:13, 3 May 2015 (CEST)

Next Conan's hint

Now that we have the remastered episodes in place, I think it would be wise to move the next Conan's hints onto episodes they are for, instead of when they were aired. I just think it makes more sense to the hint to be in the same row as the episode it is referring to. Chekhov MacGuffin talk 23:25, 6 May 2015 (CEST)

Whoa, whoa, whoa. So are we going to be doing this on the episode pages too? That seems like an awful lot of unnecessary work! And where was the voting for this change?? I think the way it was was fine!--Skyechan (talk) 21:10, 9 May 2015 (CEST)
It's true that I got a bit carried away here and should have waited for opinions, but I agree with Chek about the fact that it makes more sense that way. In your edits you mentioned a mistake I made about an hint that was meant for a remastered episode, but this mistake was possible only because everyone voluntarily skipped and ignored remastered episodes until now. Because of that, a lot of "Next Conan's Hint" were not actually shown in the episode they were written in (since they were shown in the remastered episodes that were skipped), and were moved to the previous episode. What I mean is, if we had for example EP1 with Hint1, REM1 with Hint2, and EP2 with Hint3, before the change it would have been written as EP1 with Hint2, EP2 with Hint3. It makes no sense at all. Besides, if your main concern if the amount of work to make the change in all the Episode pages, be assured that I'm willing to do it myself. By the way, thank you very much for filling the blanks I left, as I couldn't find all the hints around remastered episodes. Sorry about the trouble I caused, I was just trying to help ! Maxdefolsch (talk) 03:39, 10 May 2015 (CEST)
Indeed. I'm on it ! Maxdefolsch (talk) 02:50, 7 May 2015 (CEST)
Done ! But there are a few hints missing around the remastered episodes because people were skipping them (since they weren't listed). I asked someone who has all the remasters to help me fill the blanks. Just to be sure, should I also change the Next Conan's Hint in the infobox of every episode page ? Maxdefolsch (talk) 11:55, 7 May 2015 (CEST)

A user kindly gave me some info about missing stuff

The user informed me about some missing remastered episodes which I am in the process of adding. The user also made the following request:

"Also, can you consider merging TV Specials into Anime list as well? I noticed some weeks went missing because of TV Specials. (I am using it as a TV guide here :D)"

Thoughts?

Chekhov MacGuffin talk 16:17, 18 May 2015 (CEST)

Actually, I knew about these episodes, but according to StartoldRyuu some of them are marked as remastered even though they are just re-runs and don't actually contain any remastered scenes, so I wasn't sure if I should include them or not. I see that you are missing some ; here is the list I have :


336.5 - 011 - Moonlight Sonata Case
--> Just a re-run with a few words from Aoyama at the beginning
365.5 - 052 - The Mist Goblin Legend Murder Case
367.5 - 118 - The Naniwa Serial Murder Case
373.5 - 184 - A Cursed Mask Coldly Laughs
373.6 - 304 - The Trembling Police Headquarters: 12 Million Hostages
--> Not remastered, but contain a new scene at the beginning
414.5 - 162 - The Locked Room in the Sky: Shinichi Kudo's First Case
436.5 - 076 - Conan vs. Kaitou Kid
442.5 - 208 - The Entrance to the Maze: The Anger of the Colossus
447.5 - 342 - The Bride of Huis ten Bosch
--> Not remastered, only have a "10th anniversary" logo at the beginning


If you're OK with including these "fake remasters", I'm fine with that and I'll be adding them.
About the TV Specials in the Anime list, I'm also fine with that. Not only the "normal" TV Specials but also the Magic Kaito Specials since it would fill the gaps. Again, if it's OK with you I'll add them.
Maxdefolsch (talk) 17:47, 18 May 2015 (CEST)
I think everything you said a great idea. If they aren't true remasters maybe we can just call them "reruns" instead. Chekhov MacGuffin talk 19:20, 18 May 2015 (CEST)
How about a slightly different color for re-runs ? And I was thinking of something white-ish for Specials. Maxdefolsch (talk) 08:26, 20 May 2015 (CEST)
Sounds great! Whitish for specials sounds like it would stand out in a good way. Chekhov MacGuffin talk 20:37, 20 May 2015 (CEST)
Okay, so I changed a bit the way the template worked with the remasters : now, instead of having "remaster=1" (and "rerun=1" and "special=1" or whatever) we only have to use the variable type, like "type=remaster", "type=rerun" or "type=special", and it will change the background color accordingly. It works, we just have to find a nice color for reruns and specials. For the time being, I'll add the reruns and specials to the list. Maxdefolsch (talk) 09:14, 21 May 2015 (CEST)
I made all the changes concerning reruns and remasters, only the specials are left, I'll do them soon. Maxdefolsch (talk) 10:31, 21 May 2015 (CEST)
There ! I added the specials. Now, if I may draw your attention to the remaining matters :
  • As I asked here, I think we should rename the page of this TV Special. Since I was waiting for an answer, I didn't add it to the Anime page yet. Moreover, we don't have a precise airdate for this one, only the year (2004) ; but since it's a movie pre-release, is it safe to assume that it aired a few days before Movie 8 (which would be just before or just after Episode 356) ?
  • The Black History is a recap made of clips from other episodes, so I wasn't sure if I should put the source as "TV Original" or not.
  • I put both of the "Fugitive: Kogoro Mouri" and "Happy New Year Kogoro Mouri" episodes in the list, but I'm not sure if I should leave the first one since it apparently was available on cellphone.
  • Is the numbering I used (S1...S5 and MKS1...MKS12) fine ?
  • Isn't the color I chose for TV specials a bit too close to the one for remastered episodes ? I'm not really good at choosing colors, so if you can, could you find a good color for reruns and specials ?
  • Unfortunately, I'm still missing some information : the original airdate of the Episode 11 rerun (I only know that it was between Episodes 336 and 337, there are three possible dates : September 22, September 29 and October 6 of 2003) (edit : answered by Startold below), the Next Conan's Hint for the reruns of Episodes 52, 118, 162, 342 and the Next Kid's Magic for Magic Kaito Specials 1, 7, 9, 10 and 11 (edit : 7 and 10 found by Skyechan). By the way, am I correct in assuming that there aren't any Next Conan's Hints for the non-MK TV Specials, since it usually doesn't air on the weekly timeslot ?
  • Speaking of which, after I moved Next Conan's Hints to the episode they were meant for like you suggested, I asked a question that went unnoticed : should I also change the Next Conan's Hints on the individual page of each episode ?
Sorry for the long post, I'm just trying to do this as best as I can !
Maxdefolsch (talk) 07:57, 23 May 2015 (CEST)
Hi! Sorry for intruding the conversation. I gave Max the list of the remastered episodes a few weeks ago, and I've just found on my computer a document I made some years ago about the airdate of the reruns and some remasters which could help you.
2003/09/22 Episode 011 (336.5)
2003/10/06 Episode 219 (336.5)
2004/06/28 Episode 052 (365.5)
2004/07/19 Episode 118 (367.5)
2004/09/20 Episode 184 (373.5)
2004/10/04 Episode 304 (373.5)
2005/09/26 Episode 162 (414.5)
2006/05/01 Episode 076 (436.5)
2006/06/19 Episode 208 (442.5)
2006/08/07 Episode 342 (447.5)
2007/10/29 Episode 166-168 (488.5)
2007/11/05 Episode 222-224 (488.5)
2007/12/17 Episode 309-311 (490.5)
2008/10/27 Episode 286-288 (515.5)
2008/12/22 Episode 356 (520.5)
2009/03/23 Episode 176-178 (529.5)
Startold (talk) 22:23, 24 May 2015
Hi Startold, no problem :D I was missing the airdate for Episode 11, and all the other ones were right. And I had nothing about this rerun of Episode 219 just after the Episode 11 so I'm going to add it, thanks ! Maxdefolsch (talk) 02:22, 25 May 2015 (CEST)
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  1. Changing the name of Pre-release special 8 sounds right if you know the actual title.
  2. Black History... I just don't know what to call it. I guess it is an AO because they didn't do a recap in the manga.
  3. I'd leave the cellphone-distributed one off because it isn't running in the DC timeslot. It's sort of like those Wooo ones.
  4. I think your numbering system is fine. Leave it and see if it sticks. If someone wants to make changes they can sort it out later.
  5. I'll play around with the colors a bit and see what looks good to me.
  6. Changing each hint on the individual page is a lot of work. I'd do it to make the two match, but I understand if you leave it as is because you decide that you have bigger fish to fry.
I hope that covers everything. Sorry for not getting to you, I bookmarked the page, but then forgot to answer :/ . Chekhov MacGuffin talk 02:49, 25 May 2015 (CEST)
No problem ! So :
  1. I renamed the page and where it was needed. Now I just have to add it to the Anime page but as I said, we don't have the exact airdate. I could put it just before Movie 8 since I think the pre-releases are aired a few days before (I could be wrong about this though)
  2. OK
  3. Done
  4. OK
  5. OK, thanks
  6. I think it should be pretty clear now that I don't :D I'll do it soon.
  7. And there is still some information we're missing (Next Conan's Hint for reruns of Episodes 219, 52, 118, 162, 342 and MK Specials 1, 9, and 11), I will ask Startold about it.
Anyway, thanks a lot ! I'm glad we're almost finished with all of this.
Maxdefolsch (talk) 04:03, 25 May 2015 (CEST)

International Numbering

Dear DCW team, I suggest to change the English numbering column (Eng#), from English to INTERNATIONAL ( Int'l#), because the english version only has 130 episodes but international versions -that use the same numbering- ( or better said, the English version use the international official numbering) has far more episodes and the numbering is the same, in the Catalá version, Latin Spanish version, German version, and so forth.

Actually, I am working on the production of the current Latin Spanish version and I will provide you the official numbering and official English titles (sometimes changed on purpose -check Jpn#129- and sometimes mistranslated by mistake), and also other Spanish titles just for reference (I'm not asking to include titles in other languages, only the numbering).

I hope you consider this. --Mau Egiziano (talk) 04:02, 15 March 2016 (CET)

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